The official NS Car dealership.

Lamborghini
looking for one in the 15-20 k range

Good price range?

haha oh yes.

this thread may be the worst thread idea ever

And your "Become an artist" thread is any betteR?

not gonna lie. this thread was a terrible idea. 3/4 of NS are 12 year olds.

i think your subject/idea is more suitable for a cult than a thread

art is art, this is not

I THINK YOU SHOULD GET A SOOOBARROOOOO DUHHH

get a suby. $10k and under

omgomgomg subysubysubysubysubysubysubysubysubysubysubysubysubysubysubysubysubysuby

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this thread is dildoes, yes i know it looks like dildoes, yet its plural dildoes

To OP, if you want to spend 17K, I would look for something around 16K. You don't pay less than you expect to, you pay more. I mean, you can get some money off asking, but usually not very much, especially if you are already taking advantage of some sale of cashback deal or something. And this just compensates for the fact that you are going to come in looking for a base base base model and usually won't be able to find one. You are likely going to have to end up paying for a sun roof or a stereo upgrade or something just because thats what they will have.

ahahha sounds like a good time!

It's so trendy and cool to hate on subies, I'm gonna jump on the bandwagon.

Seriously though, subies are good winter cars, especially if you don't want a truck, stop bitching about how everyone likes them.

cop me an evo vii or viii for under 12k and ill be forever grateful

this thread reminded me of

this thread does.


i cant figure out what plane that winglet belongs too...

Austrian?

only 35,000 $ no joke 36 pairs around

1. You don't want an evo for that price. It'll have been salvaged, best to shit, or worse.

Its funny because it costed nike about 50 cents to pay the kids that made those.

i think this has potential. we just need a system of points and the more points you have the better car you can buy/modify, etc...

dont ask me how though

as long as ns has a hard on for s00bahr000 ill hate on it.

>implying you're not just bad at haggling.

The car business is hurting right now. Dealers are happy with their "holdback". Its the salesman that are starving. STOP NEGOTIATING WITH THE SALESMAN! Its a fact that the average car salesman only sales 8-10 cars per month. Its also a fact that a "flat", the money a salesman is going to make on a new car sales with no profit(invoice) is $50-$100. So do the math thats only $800-$1000 in commission per month. Thats why dealer are always hiring salesman. Its also why salesman are constantly getting fired.
GET THE SALESMAN ON YOUR SIDE! Tell him up front he's not gonna make any money on you, this will be an invoice deal. Tell him you'll slip him a $100 after the deal if you get your price. So when he goes up to the "salesdesk", he's fighting for you. When the salesman comes back to you with numbers on the paper, they call it an "A" sheet. Cross it out with a big "X", flip it over right your number on the back, next to it write "T/T out the door", then underline it. The first number you write should be at least $2000k below invoice. His manager will either send someone over or come his self. This is a good sign it shows that you werent talking to a "closer". He might even write a note, asking where r you getting your numbers. If this happends, write "I was thinking the same thing about you numbers".
Typically his second number will be $2000 above invoice. If it is, you write," Split the difference, with T/T, out the door" They usually will jump at it.

Tips:

DONT BE SCARED TO WALK AWAY.
CONFIDENCE IS KEY.
DONT TEST DRIVE THE VEHICLE FROM THE DEALER YOU ARE BUYING FROM.
DONT DISCUSS CREDIT, FINANCE, INTEREST RATE, ETC BEFORE YOU GET INVOICE PRICING.
(THESE ARE BUYING SIGNALS, THEY WILL SMELL IT LIKE BLOOD TO A SHARK)

DONT LISTEN TO YOUR FRIENDS. EVERYBODY CLAIMS THE GOT A GOOD PRICE. MOST DONT KNOW WHAT INVOICE IS.
DONT ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS DURING NEGOTIATING FOR INVOICE.
(YOU MAY GIVE AWAY A BUYING SIGNAL WITHOUT KNOWING)

SHOPPING DURING THE LATTER PART OF THE MONTH CAN WORK TO YOUR ADAVNTAGE.
(DEALERS HAVE A PROJECTED SALES IN UNITS THEY NEED TO MEET, SO DO BANKS. THEY TYPICALLY WILL WORK BETTER DEALS AT THIS TIME TO MAKE THEIR MONTH)

IF YOU SUBMIT YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS TO A DEALERS WEBSITE LET THEM KNOW "NOT TO CALL YOU, NOT TO NEGOTIATE, YOU WILL ONLY ACCEPT INVOICE W/TAX&TAGS, IF THEY DO CALL YOU, YOU WILL NOT DEAL WITH THEIR DEALERSHIP, IF THE EMAIL YOU ANYTHING OTHER THAN INVOICE, YOU WILL NOT DEAL WITH THEIR DEALERSHIP" THIS IS THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAY TO NEGOTIATE, AS OPPOSE TO IN PERSON.

THEY KNOW IF YOU NEGOTIATING THIS WAY YOU ARE A SERIOUS BUYER.

THEY WANT YOU IN THE DEALERSHIP SO THEY PLAY THE "GAME" WITH YOU. ITS SET UP TO WORK AGAINST YOU. LIKE A CASINO THE HOUSE ALWAYS WINS.

MOST DEALERS HAVE THE "NEGOTIATING" TABLES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DEALERSHIP OR OPEN OFFICES.
(THIS CREATES A "BUYING FRENZY")

IT HELPS TO HAVE YOUR FINANCING ALREADY DONE BEFORE YOU SHOP FOR THE CAR.
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Calculate Holdback

If a holdback is calculated from the:

Total MSRP: consumers must include the MSRP price of all options before figuring the holdback.
Base MSRP: consumers must figure the holdback before adding desired options.
Total Invoice: consumers must include the invoice price of all options before figuring the holdback.
Base Invoice: consumers must figure the holdback before adding desired options.

Acura 3% of the Base MSRP
Audi No holdback
BMW No holdback
Buick 3% of the Total MSRP
Cadillac 3% of the Total MSRP
Chevrolet 3% of the Total MSRP
Chrysler 3% of the Total MSRP
Dodge 3% of the Total MSRP
Ford 3% of the Total MSRP
GMC 3% of the Total MSRP
Honda 3% of the Base MSRP
HUMMER 3% of the Total MSRP
Hyundai 2% of the Total Invoice
Infiniti 1% of the Base MSRP
Isuzu 3% of the Total MSRP
Jaguar No Holdback
Jeep 3% of the Total MSRP
Kia 3% of the Base Invoice
Land Rover No Holdback
Lexus 2% of the Base MSRP
Lincoln 2% of the Total MSRP
Mazda 2% of the Base MSRP
Mercedes-Benz 3% of the Total MSRP
Mercury 3% of the Total MSRP
MINI No Holdback
Mitsubishi 2% of the Base MSRP
Nissan 2% of the Total Invoice
Pontiac 3% of the Total MSRP
Porsche No Holdback
Saab 2.2% of the Base MSRP
Saturn 3% of the Total MSRP
Scion No Holdback
Subaru 3% of the Total MSRP (Amount may differ in Northeastern U.S.)
Suzuki 3% of the Base MSRP
Toyota 2% of the Base MSRP (Amount may differ in Southern U.S.)
Volkswagen 2% of the Base MSRP
Volvo 1% of the Base MSRP
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EXAMPLE:
2007 Toyota Camry LE auto w/ minimum option needed (from edmunds.com)
MSRP: $20975
Invoice: $18771
Rebate: $0
Holdback: $420 (2% of MSRP)
Tru Inv: $18352
Tax in CA :$1514
Tag: 200 (est.)
Low ball: $18066
Target: [ ( 20975 - 0 - 18066 ) / 2 ] + 18066 = $19520 (out the door price, all fees included)

i guess ill answer it seeing as how no one else did really...

17k to a dealer you would be looking at 20K cars.  if youre super suave and they are desperate. also depends on how you pay

17k to a private seller you would be looking at 18 or 19 honestly. especially since a 17K dollar car from a private seller is most likely going to be in excellent condition. most people wont back down on prices this high for private sells. they have the mentality of "you want to buy it, whats it worth to ya?" while dealers are more "we need to move cars from our inventory and make money"

I dont know how to drive but I know subaru's are the best because some kid told me they were on newschoolers. You should get an STI

good advice rjd2.  were you a salesman yourself?

I just came across in another forum a few weeks ago and thought it was extremely helpful...
Being a car salesman does not really interest me.

if theyre motivated, you can get a 20K car for 17 man. age is a factor too. theyre more responsive to a graybush

And how is this thread a terrible idea? It looks like it turned out to be good, so quit hating, hater.