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YongLa
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Alright, so I dropped my skis off at one of my local ski shops (This time, I'm trying a more ski-oriented place). I asked for a Park Tune, and they told me what they would do.

They said they would "dull" the tip and tail area and sharpen the middle. I was dumbfounded. Maybe I'm just a retarded/ski-scrub/stupid/etc. Won't that increase edge catch on a rail?

What do you guys think?

Thanks!
Feb 26 2010 12:03AM
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BWalmer
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tell them to flip the script...sharp tip and tail, dull underfoot.
Feb 26 2010 12:05AM
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shibby
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It sounds like you got the ''old woman with bad knees who can't ski'' tune up.
Feb 26 2010 12:07AM
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JayDope
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thats more of a tune for like out west skiing, from my knowledge at my shop ( i live on the east coast) when a person comes in and asks for a tune and they tell us they are skiing out west, we will dull the tips and the tails more. For a park tune, just take a file and some gummy stone and detune underfoot.
Feb 26 2010 12:07AM
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shibby
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Why would you dull the tip and tail for skiing out west?
Feb 26 2010 12:10AM
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YongLa
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I would, but I dropped off my skis already. Picking them up tomorrow =\
Feb 26 2010 12:13AM
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JayDope
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im assuming because the east has some more ice in the conditions, and when skiing out west where the conditions seem to have less ice, u wont catch as much edge when making turns. We have had customers come in and tell us they are skiing out west and to dull the tips and the tails for that specific reason. But hey, to each their own
Feb 26 2010 12:14AM
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YongLa
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What should I do when I get my skis back? I don't have a gummy stone. Should I just shred flat boxes until it detunes? I don't want to hit steeper rails and catch because of sharp edge...

But the real question is:

Sharper underfoot = More edge catch or no difference?
Feb 26 2010 12:17AM
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shibby
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Those people are idiots then. Anyone who knows how to ski and has the right ski for them doesn't need to have their edges dulled in the tips and tails.
Feb 26 2010 12:17AM
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YongLa
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Ah, so what should I do?
Feb 26 2010 12:24AM
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JayDope
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ull catch a little easier, my suggestion would be to gently take a file, and round ur edges underfoot slightly, and since u do not have gummy stone, ask ur shop for a small piece, i know my shop always has pieces laying around. If u cant get a small piece from them, use a cork from ur parents wine bottles and go over ur edges with that after u gently file them
Feb 26 2010 12:26AM
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YongLa
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Alright, thanks.
Feb 26 2010 12:28AM
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shibby
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I'm going to disagree and say don't file your edges. What I would do is ask the shop to redo them, and only dull underfoot with a gummy stone. Or just ski them as they are, skiers are almost never flat on rails anyways so unless you're doing a lot of switch ups or spins onto rails (or just learning them) I wouldn't worry about catching.
Feb 26 2010 12:29AM
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JayDope
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hope it works out for u
Feb 26 2010 12:30AM
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YongLa
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Dude, I would but the guy had a huge explanation on why hes doing it the opposite and... blah, too complicated. I'll probably just ride it out. I dunno.
Feb 26 2010 12:32AM
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BWalmer
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if you do decide to ride it out, got with rails more than boxes - metal on metal will wear down the edges better, metal on plastic the metal will dig into the plastic causing you to fly off the box, it's no fun.
Feb 26 2010 12:34AM
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YongLa
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I actually have a friend with some sort of gummy stone.

So I could just get my friend's and just detune the whole ski.

Would that fuck up my ski? The whole ski tip to tail, detuned with a gummy stone?
Feb 26 2010 12:37AM
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BWalmer
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a gummy stone wont dull it enough to make edging hard, it'll just give it enough to help so that it doesn't catch. I'd gummy stone underfoot for sure cause it'll help prevent catching an edge.
Feb 26 2010 12:43AM
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YongLa
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Alright, thanks!
Feb 26 2010 12:44AM
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Gnome_in_Gnarnia
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Agreed. I live "out west" in CO and I see no reason for this. Detuning part of an edge isn't going to have any effect on skiing soft snow. You don't try to use your edges to carve powder so dulling them is only going to make it suck when you get back on hardpack.
Feb 26 2010 12:58AM
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YongLa
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When I get my skis back, I have a PVC pipe in my backyard, can I just rub my ski underfoot on the pipe and detune them a bit?
Feb 26 2010 1:00AM
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Ftacnik
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PVC isn't going to detune your edges... Youl just dig in. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone else but i take a file to my park skis and completely round my edges so there is no way of catching. Also prevents my edges from ripping out
Feb 26 2010 1:16AM
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Blokkie
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Hey,

Normally a park tune is:
Detune, tips & tails for less hooking  on jumps and landings.
Do a bigger base edge bevel underfoot/ hole length, so the edge gets less hookey / grabby on rails/boxes

By giving the base edge a bevel you can keep it sharper(some ppl like that for jumps) without  it catching much on boxes/rails

Base edge Bevels:
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Feb 26 2010 1:34AM
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YongLa
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I might be able to buy gummy stone. If I do, how do I use it?

Do I just rub it over the whole ski?

Or do I have to hold it against the edge at a certain angle...
Feb 26 2010 8:03PM
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Shabangarang
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let the rail d tune ur ski after u hit a couple rails ull be fine
Feb 26 2010 8:57PM
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shibby
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IMO hooking on jumps and landings is a bit of a myth. I don't think it's necessary to detune for that. I do agree that a higher base bevel is a good idea for people who are worried about catching. I put my bevel higher on my snowboard for that reason.

Anyways, to the OP, I think your best bet is to just ski the edges dull. Like I said, you don't catch as easily on skis because you are rarely flat on the rail. And I've seen edges get really fucked up by people who hand tune and don't know what they're doing.
Feb 26 2010 9:10PM
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YongLa
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Your advice seems really logical. Thanks! ++++K
Feb 26 2010 10:29PM
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