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Lil Wayne Fans and Haters

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tommycat
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I was once a hater of Lil Wayne, but i thought The Carter lll was good. Then I saw this and my opinions changed. If you can watch the whole thing and say your opinion of Lil Wayne hasn't, then my hat goes off to you, you're one stubborn motherfucker. Enjoy.


Jan 29 2010 6:30PM
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thatoneguysean
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my threads fo' lata.
Jan 29 2010 6:40PM
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Big_Spence
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wait, you actually liked the carter III more than his earlier stuff?
Jan 29 2010 6:41PM
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EH_DUBS
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I'm so stubborn I didn't watch it.
Jan 29 2010 6:45PM
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gstaff
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that "documentary" didnt change my opinion at all.

he drinks syrup, smokes weed, and is a shitty rapper.

thats just my opinion
Jan 29 2010 6:46PM
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tommycat
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I didn't even listen to his earlier stuff, but I figured The Carter lll was worth a shot after hearing a couple tracks and bought it that first week. Later on I got the rest of his albums.
Jan 29 2010 6:57PM
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slimbruddah
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 He's all about money. Disrespects females. Talks about how great he is like a little spoiled boy.

 Ummmmmmmmmmmm, you like anyone that talks or acts like that, you are a fucking loser. Wake the fuck up, grow the fuck up.

Period.
Jan 29 2010 7:00PM
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slimbruddah
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Jan 29 2010 7:02PM
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tommycat
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the full documentary is 8 parts, 75 minutes.

Like I said before, it's your opinion, but if you watch the whole thing you'll realize all he's trying to do is record the best music he can in order to elevate the whole music game, show other artists that being a musician is a full time job and you gotta take it seriously. He put out over 1000 songs in the last couple of years, what other musician does that?

Jan 29 2010 7:03PM
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slimbruddah
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Quality over quantity. He doesn't have any type of quality.
Jan 29 2010 7:06PM
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slimbruddah
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Jan 29 2010 7:10PM
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gstaff
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Most artists put time into their music making each track the best of the best.

Not just writing about pussy, money, weed. 1000 songs in the last 3 years. Thats almost a song a day.  You cant tell me that makes his music quality.
Jan 29 2010 7:10PM
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saranac_tortex
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This made me hate him even more
Jan 29 2010 7:16PM
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tommycat
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never heard of Jeru the Damaja.... how many records did he sell last year? (didn't last to that song yet, but I will)

I'm not saying that all other rappers are shit either, just that Lil Wayne is better based on what he's doing for the game and his numbers.


Did you listen to no ceilings? Did you watch that documentary?

I don't believe that anyone who knows a thing about Lil Wayne can say he's a bad rapper.
Jan 29 2010 7:16PM
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saranac_tortex
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I watched the whole documentary earlier this year and honestly it disgusted me. He gives a bad name to rappers and the rap game. He's not doing anything for the"game" except ruining it. He raps about materialistic shit and doesn't have any depth or intelligence to it.

Numbers mean absolutely nothing. Just because you sell a lot doesn't mean your good at all. There are so many good rappers out there that aren't well known because they don't rap about pussy, weed and cars. Check out Blu & Exile -Below the Heavens....It'll blow your mind
Jan 29 2010 7:24PM
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tommycat
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All the hate is hard to keep up with, sorry for all my posts.

I'm completely awake and grown, thanks. Disrespects females? He had a kid at the age of 15, and married his baby mama, few niggas do that. He practically worships women, you'd notice that if you took a listen to any of his music, very far from disrespecting. If you're saying that having multiple partners is disrespectful, I don't know what kind of man you are. Go do some homework before you come at me.

Anyone that can talk shit about a man that is more dedicated to his profession than they are is a loser.

Jan 29 2010 7:26PM
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slimbruddah
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  Lol. How many records did he sell hahahah.  You serious?

 Lol.


 "Yo I got a million dollars, I'm the coolest. Wanna be my friend?"

 or,

 "Oh that kid over there? He doesn't have a lot of money. He's a loser."


 Lol. To think people think like this.

 
"Wayne is better based on what he's doing for the game and his numbers."


  Dude. He's teaching all who listen to him everything that hip hop opposes. He is anti-hip hop.

Jan 29 2010 7:26PM
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slimbruddah
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  Oh and anyone you see on mtv or much music. Any rapper, is a sellout who gave in to money. Every single one. ALL OF THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jan 29 2010 7:28PM
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slimbruddah
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Jan 29 2010 7:30PM
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RcppF
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lil wayne is so dope
Jan 29 2010 7:31PM
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slimbruddah
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 this ones the best to give you a good idea of what goes on.
Jan 29 2010 7:32PM
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Crack.
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this things loading like dick right now. i might have to watch it later
Jan 29 2010 7:36PM
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saranac_tortex
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You got the right idea man.

This should also give a good idea of the difference between radio crap and REAL hip-hop


Jan 29 2010 7:37PM
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antwone
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rap and lil wayne is a fad so is anything else music related
Jan 29 2010 7:43PM
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tommycat
Posts: 483 - Karma: 23
I know music, I listen to plenty of it, I make plenty of it.


I said it earlier, if you'd listen to more of his music you'd see he raps about plenty more than cars (I don't see anything wrong with rapping about pussy or weed, they're both amazing and should be given credit where it's due) Even then, he raps about more than just weed or pussy and no matter what he raps about, he gives a different perspective on it.

Here's a couple recent quotes of his from skits and interviews on a few of his mixtapes.

"What up dog? This here's no ceilings man, welcome. I appreciate you for having this, if you're listening to this, thank you. First off, this for you... you, you, you."

"they ask me why do i do this, why, why, why do you keep giving out free music? why, why? because I'm weezy. I'm different. I have plenty of it, it's nothing for me to share. Priceless, that's why it's free"

His mixtape "no ceilings" was named as such because of Christopher Wallace and his quote "I would love for you to look up into the building and understand that there is no ceilings, there is only the sky, and the sky is the limit." Don't try to say he's disrespecting past rappers.




annnnnnndddd after trying to spread as much love for weezy as I can because I am a fan of his and his music, everyone's got their own opinions of his music, and I'll let it be.

However, if you've got an hour to crunch and some weed to break up, watch the documentary, fan or not, he's an interesting dude and it's cool to watch.


Jan 29 2010 7:43PM
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saranac_tortex
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Go to 2:21 in the KRS-One video i posted, that should explain whats wrong with wayne.

He can say its not about money all he wants, but its obvious he dumbs down his music for the industry and is all about selling the most songs. He doesn't care about quality he cares about quantity and $$$$
Jan 29 2010 7:46PM
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tommycat
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in my last post I said it, I'm not gonna be talkin about lil wayne anymore, however hip-hop is one thing I love to talk about. I've always been a huge fan of underground hip-hop (stuff that isn't played on the radio, I don't like to call it REAL hip-hop, cause no matter what it's all hip-hop, just like skiing is skiing whether it's in your backyard, in the backcountry, or at the local park) My love of underground hip-hop and rap founded my hate of mainstream hip-hop and rap, but once I got older, I realized that if you take a listen, the good rap floats to the service, even in mainstream. But sometimes you gotta look a lil deeper to see how real some rappers are.


HOWEVER, at the end of the day, listening to music is all about what makes you happy, that's why I can't hate on anyone who's a JoBro fan or whatever, if that's your thing, that's cool, it's what makes you happy, that's what life's about, and that's what hip-hop's about.



Which is why I like this song, I can relate to it and it takes me to a terrible part of my life, but now I listen to this song, think back, and smile.
Jan 29 2010 7:56PM
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tommycat
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He doesn't make money of all the mixtapes he puts out, how can he be about money? he doesn't dumb down his raps, he's never said that, in fact, he says the opposite, i don't want to find the interview, but he says, when asked about how racy lollipop is for it to be a single and if he thought about what people would think when he records and he says "i don't give a fuck what anyone thinks" he goes on more, but he records for himself. there is no corporation behind him, he records and puts out records for himself.

I know I said I wouldn't talk about wayne anymore, but I feel obligated to at least correct people when they're wrong. personal opinion is one thing, but to say he does it for the money is wrong. his goal is not about money. watch the documentary and you'll understand that.


THE LAST 30 SECONDS OF THIS VIDEO ARE KEY. Especially the clause.

Jan 29 2010 8:07PM
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saranac_tortex
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As I've said, I have watched the documentary. I have also listened to a lot of his songs.

You can rap about racy subjects like he did in lollipop and they will play it on the radio because thats what they want. When I say he dumbs it down, I mean he only raps about materialistic things that the consumers want.

Listen to Lupes 'dumb it down' He talks about how the record companies told him his lyrics were to 'intelligent' for the radio.
Also Immortal technique won't sign with a label because they make him change his content he raps about, they try to control him.

Don't be ignorant, lil wayne obviously dumbs it down to sell the most. He dumbs it down to appeal to teens that want to hear about money drugs and sexy things
Jan 29 2010 8:15PM
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Leo.
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yeaaah wayne is a cocky bitch who's way too much about money. Still, I feel the guy has some undeniable talent.  His lyrics are clever as shit, the best metaphors and play on words in the game. 
Jan 29 2010 8:27PM
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babujib
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i just watched that entire thing and read all the comments. heres my two cents.
the guys music i hate. honestly , i dont see how people can like it, because i really dont see much in his musical talent. he just rambles off about random materialistic shit. after watching the documentary, he seems like a real douche. at the same token, hes an extremely hard worker. he truly loves music and thats the only reason i have some moderate respect for him (not his music though). ill leave you guys with some tracks ive been listening to a lot lately (ive re-found my def jux collection).



Jan 29 2010 8:45PM
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ElbridgeGerry
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Let's for a moment look at Lost Boys. He rhymes Fee..with fee, you can't get much dumber than that..unless you stopped using words and just mumbled, which he does sometimes.


Lil Wayne is a fucking retard, the fact he 'only raps for himself' makes him seem that much more arrogant about his music. Him calling himself the best rapper alive? Is total fucking horse shit, the loudest voice in a room isn't always the correct one. He seems to be associating the amount of music you make with how good you are, which we all know is not true in the least. He's also a stupid motherfucker, HOW DO YOU SHOOT YOURSELF? I have been around rifles and pistols my entire life not once have I ever even accidentally discharged a gun..it's just something common sense stops. I don't care if you were 'haaaiiiigh' or 'trippin like a nigga' that just doesn't happen.
Jan 29 2010 8:52PM
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wall.e
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im so glad someone made this thread +k. lil wayne....ahh how do i put it....the dope poser. some shits good...but that other stuff he does with like jay sean....euhh...
Jan 29 2010 8:58PM
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Brenone
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Who is Jeru the damaja? how many records did he sell?? u drinking cough syrup son?

Jan 29 2010 9:18PM
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Dosh
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woah you guys must really know what's up posting jeru, el-p. and cannibal ox videos! it's useless comparing those artists to lil wayne b/c it's completely different music and the incompatibility across the genre is a useless and a tired comparison. do you think it makes you seem more knowledgeable because you mention those artists? you need to see the whole picture. hip-hop is so great b/c there is such a variation across the genre. everyone is going to have their preferences but crying "underground" every time lil wayne comes up is a fucking joke. learn the whole genre first before you simply respond with underground schpeel as if that trumps everything else in the game. here is a lil wayne remix of "a milli" that i really enjoy mainly because flying lotus is so ridiculous but i have respect for wayne's style as well. dude is innovative and was the first to perfect the style he uses so give credit where it's due:


Jan 29 2010 9:26PM
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Username_42069
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i didnt know telling a woman to pop her pussy was respectful, maybe ill try that on some girls that i know..
Jan 29 2010 9:31PM
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JC_Nolan
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i agree; the documentary did nothing but make him look ignorant. that being said i still like his music, and if you dont like his materialistic rhymes rap is not for you. rap is all about how much money you have and the cars you drive and the girls you get. on the contratry hip-hop is alot deeper than raps shallow claims
Jan 29 2010 9:34PM
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babujib
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wow dont have to be an absolute prick, i gave my two cents then added some music that i thought peolpe would enjoy...sorry?
Jan 29 2010 9:37PM
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Dosh
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naw don't be sorry. what i said is directed at people in general. not you in specific. im just advocating a more well-rounded knowledge of hiphop before wayne gets the shitstorm he always seems to get.
Jan 29 2010 9:41PM
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Dosh
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and don't get me wrong, "cold vein" is one of my favorite albums ever, but you can't compare it with lil wayne b/c there's very little similar about the two.
Jan 29 2010 9:43PM
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Thenowhereman42
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Lil Wayne is just bad. His lyrics are just stupid and his flow is just shitty.

Flow:


Lyrics:

I just don't get why people would listen to little wayne "eat niggaz like peanut butta and jelous" stupid nonesense lyrics when there is so much seriously good hip hop out there. Lil Wayne just rambles on about whatever, at least what I've heard of him, which is honestly kind of a lot.
Jan 29 2010 10:32PM
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have.faith
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no gonna lie, with all this being said i still love wayne...
Jan 29 2010 10:36PM
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penguinslide
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his music is useless unless you want to grind. maybe if he put in some effort to his music it'd be good, but for now i dont like what he does

Jan 29 2010 10:54PM
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Brenone
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Love Tonedeff. saw him live before. not only is he a sick MC but hes such a good musician.

was here for this too. sound quality is shitty but it was the best i could find:

Jan 29 2010 11:00PM
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krystoff
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lotus is crazy sick! and about wayne, i haven't listened to much of his stuff but of those that i have some is pretty dope, and some i don't care for. but if nothing else you gotta say that he's got his style on lock which is more than most artists can say.

quick question: your name? like martin dosh? if so, tight!
Jan 29 2010 11:08PM
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Mr.Panda
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Jan 29 2010 11:17PM
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Dosh
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i think that's how i made my username. i never got too into dosh, but for some reason i chose that. this was back in about 9th grade though. and yes! flying lotus is so dope! he's coming out with a new album fairly soon. i cannot wait!
Jan 29 2010 11:26PM
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TheQuailman
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I'm so sick of this mainstream versus underground hip hop stuff.  Theres crappy unknown rappers too and theres some mainstream rap songs I still like.  What you don't like the blueprint 3 cause Alicia Keys sings the hook on one of the songs?  Give me a break.  These generalizations are retarded.  Naming underground artists that are good does not prove that someone who is mainstream is bad.

I just like good hip hop in general.  Lil Wayne is so lyrical its mindblowing.  Yea his rhymes aren't traditional but get over it, its a completely new style and its good so respect it.  He created his own style and so many people try to jump on it but can't.  He puts out a ton of trash but he also puts down some great verses over some great tracks.  Get over it.

Jan 29 2010 11:27PM
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Dosh
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and here's what i mean by a well-balanced knowledge of hip hop: my last.fm profile haha bit of a claim but i am sticking by it.

http://www.last.fm/user/cire65
Jan 29 2010 11:28PM
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Dosh
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and i agree with you completely. i like seeing the progression b/c this wasn't always your view back in the day. same goes for me, but once you learn enough about hip-hop, you get over the whole distinction thing, which was basically what i was advocating
Jan 29 2010 11:30PM
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Dosh
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just trying to get an idea about what ns really likes: what do you guys think about this type of hip-hop?


Jan 29 2010 11:39PM
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