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Broha-X-Press
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This is about Thierry Henry's controversial handball in the world cup qualifier against Ireland.

For all those that don't know, the ball skipped off of McShanes foot and from the video we see that Henry deliberatly played the ball with his hand to his foot, to the middle for an assist for tie goal to send them to the world cup based on goals.

Being a soccer player myself, i don't think there is any wrong here.  Before any of you hate, the fact i really enjoy professional soccer over most other sports is the fact that there is no instant replay, arguing calls, and overturning anything you don't like.  This, in my opinion, is the referees fault and as stated by Henry himself "the referee missed the call and that was his fault."

There were many challenges to replay the qualifiing game becaues of the missed call that has now been caught by multiple camera angles however FIFA has overuled these areguments which i completely support.  If soccer came down to instant replay bullshit i don't think i will ever enjoy watching it anymore.

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Nov 20 2009 11:34AM
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Broha-X-Press
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ya i realize now i spelled his name wrong in the title
Nov 20 2009 11:36AM
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AgentOrange11
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it is so gay, they should either have Ireland advance or have a replay of the game. FIFA come on, the refs fucked up, costing Ireland the game and you're not going to do anything. fucking bullshit

btw im not a Irish fan

Nov 20 2009 11:36AM
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TimS
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Years ago, two teams (can't remember which) replayed their game but not because of a missed call, but a miss-application of the rules by the ref.  I agree with you, no replays, the call should stand.  It's all the refs fault.  If he ever goes to Ireland, he's gonna get assassinated...
Nov 20 2009 11:38AM
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Armanzoid
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The final draw this year was fucking bullshit anyway. Fifa obviously wanted the big name teams and not small upcomers like Ireland and Bosnia. They seeded the draw just to make it harder, and there was a bit of interesting calls for the big teams during the games. I really hate Fifa sometimes.
Nov 20 2009 11:43AM
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fujarome
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yea, fifa does suck. I love platini, but he should be managing a team rather than being on the business end of things.

and while it may be bullshit to get through like this, it's done. No replays, no nothing. What people seem to forget is that the irish weren't winning. They were tied. They were by no means robbed of their world cup spot, since as of that point, they didn't have one. It could have easily been disallowed, then gone to penalties, and the French could have just as easily won it, and probably would have. So no, the irish didn't deserve anything more than the French. If nothing else, they deserve less for failing to take advantage of their countless opportunities against a struggling french side. The world cup isn't for teams who deserve to get there, it's for teams that DO get there.

And no replay can be done because then the referees job is ruined. Any team in any match that doesn't do well because of a poor ref will demand a replay, and calls won't matter anymore. If we replay this match, then let's replay chelsea vs barcelona last spring, or France vs. Germany from 1982, France vs italy in 2006 since the ref gave a card based on a TV replay,  or England vs Argentina from 1986. The refs will be useless, because well, if it doesn't go your way, just complain about the ref, and get the game played over. it's one of fifa's laws of the game that referee decisions are not overturned after the match has ended.
Nov 20 2009 11:50AM
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twin-tip-hero
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fuck the french

DFB FTW!!!!!
Nov 20 2009 11:52AM
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clive_bixby
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henry should have never left arsenal
Nov 20 2009 11:53AM
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C.Wood
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your a soccer player and you dont see anything wrong
i mean if you were on his team you wouldnt but looking at it form the irish side, they were robbed
it was a deliberate hand ball in the box and it caused the goal that kicked the irish out of the world cut
they should use video replay more often to prove it
goal should not have counted
Nov 20 2009 12:05PM
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hey-dude-its-me
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soccer is gay but I was still pretty pissed when I saw that
Nov 20 2009 12:08PM
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AwR
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regardless to that, Henry is a God on the field.
Nov 20 2009 12:14PM
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Mathieu.fr
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Everyone is talking about that in France and most of people are pretty ashamed that France get into the Wolrd Cup thanks to this handball..

When the thing happened, it was so huge on Facebook and Twitter, everyone was talking about that, arguing or making fun of Thierry Henry, who by the way apologize on his facebook.

This is pretty lame...

Nov 20 2009 12:19PM
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yojimbo
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i bet that ref will never ref a fifa match again though, and they know they fucked up but I'm glad they're not like american football with the instant replay bs and the coaches challenge bs.
Nov 20 2009 12:23PM
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N-John360
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Win it for Enke!
Nov 20 2009 12:23PM
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karmagod
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While it sucks for Ireland they had to get ousted like that I love that this game isn't replayed.

This is gonna be remembered as a controversial decision but over time the wounds are going to heal. Futbol just wouldn't be the same with instant replays.
Nov 20 2009 12:25PM
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philipc
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i bet Frank would have seen that hahahah
Nov 20 2009 12:36PM
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1337
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Yea, the ref fucked up, but the game of soccer shouldn't be ruined in the way of instant replays and reviewed calls.
Nov 20 2009 12:39PM
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Broha-X-Press
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o no doubt hahaha

and what i ws getting at saying i didn't see anything wrong was meant as i would have done the same thing.  In soccer/futbol you do things like this in anticipation the referee won't see it.  It's alll  part of the game.

It would be bullshit if they atarted using instant reeplay for things like this but there never will be instatn replay in FIFA

Nov 20 2009 12:40PM
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hey-dude-its-me
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yea it should just be ruined by blatant penalties at the most crucial moments of the game.
Nov 20 2009 12:45PM
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lineskier10
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he's french i wasnt surprised
Nov 20 2009 12:47PM
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clive_bixby
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think about it though if henry didn't put that ball back in the box or the header went over the bar, you know how many people would care? none

i've played soccer my entire life. i think that if a replay system was installed it would benefit the game.

hear me out, i don't want replay to take over the game, so i would say you could only replay when the outcome of the play was changed by a possible foul. (i.e. france v ireland.)

offsides is non reviewable, open play fouls are non reviewable. the only thing reviewable is a foul on a play that effects the direct outcome of the game

i would also say that the only way to replay is not by challenge, but by the decision of the 4th official. say 1 replay a game max since after all, the ref usually makes but one mistake. (that would change the out come of the game)
Nov 20 2009 12:50PM
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Broha-X-Press
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i can understand what you are saying with only allowing replays on plays like this one.  Whati don't want to happen is it become the american football system where no matter the call, either coach bitches and challenges the call.

I just think no replays is part of the game along with referees missing certain calls where like i said before, players try to do sometimes (myself included)

either way for the time being, shit happens

Nov 20 2009 1:01PM
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philcote4
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im kind of a france supporter, not die-hard or anything, but i cheer for them during the major international tournaments. im kinda rattled that the only reason france was able to qualify was this hand ball. i wouldve rather seen ireland qualify than this shit. but then again, thats currently one of the flaws of soccer and theres nothing we can do about it. and when you think about it, france qualified but theyre not going to go far let alone win the tournament, and lets not kid ourselves, ireland wouldnt be able to do much better if they had qualified instead, so does it really matter whether it was a hand ball or not? thats the way i look at it anyway
Nov 20 2009 1:01PM
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JOP177
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I would like to think that Thierr, or however the hell you spell his name, wouldn't take credit for that goal.  It was so blatant and it seems like a dick move on his part to be like yea, that was legit.
Nov 20 2009 1:05PM
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987321654hgfd
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The Challenge system in football actually works pretty well.
Nov 20 2009 1:14PM
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Broha-X-Press
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really?  a goal is a goal is a goal

Apparently you have never heard of Diago Maradonna?  or the hand of god goal against england in the 1986 world cup quarterfinal?  

Nov 20 2009 1:15PM
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mski
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dirty cheaters, its even called futbol over there so there is no confusion!
Nov 20 2009 1:53PM
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clive_bixby
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the ball bounced and hit his arm, there was no intention of doing this it just happened
Nov 20 2009 1:57PM
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987321654hgfd
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That looked pretty intentional.
Nov 20 2009 2:32PM
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GORlLLA
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Ahhhahahahaha that is awesome
Nov 20 2009 2:36PM
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rYb
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Even the french papers said the the irish were robbed.

Henry is my favourite player, he is one of the best footballers in the world. Why he played the ball with his hand, ill never know. I agree though it shouldnt be replayed. If we resorted to replays a lot of stuff would get turned around. IE: England's Rooney Red Card in the portugal game.

It sucks, but shit happens.

Nov 20 2009 2:40PM
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Baskin.
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if they have a rematch they are going to keep on bitchin about missed calls.....missed calls happen evry game and a rematch will just cause crazyness
Nov 20 2009 2:50PM
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Broha-X-Press
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i've been watching ESPN a lot today and during an interview Henry even said he "handled the ball" out of a slit second reaction.  The referees just missed the call
Nov 20 2009 3:08PM
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twin-tip-hero
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YES! WE SHALL WIN, I CAN FEEL IT THIS YEAR WE HAVE A VERY STRONG TEAM.
Nov 20 2009 3:19PM
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dbstar
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good observation
Nov 20 2009 5:25PM
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N-John360
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As a German, I fell like we've got a real good shot. We were in a real tough group and won it without losing a match. I feel like South Africa is a very good place for us to play. Right now, I'd say Spain and Brazil are above us, and Netherlands and England are right on par with us. I'd put my money that one of these five teams win. Good thing is, England always fucks up and I fell like Brazil doesn't play well enough as a team. Plus, I'll be studying in Berlin during the WC next summer, should be a blast!
Nov 20 2009 6:01PM
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t-roy
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soccer isn't lame american football where they stop time and review every flag and foul and give the players time to rest. there are always bad calls. this certainly was one, but it was the ref's call.
Nov 20 2009 6:49PM
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shibby
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Can we please stop with the soccer threads? There's probably only two or three people on all of NS with any knowledge of the game, one of them being myself.

You guys are fucking mental if you think replays would harm the game of footy. Please just give me one legitimate reason why it would. What's ruining football is cheaters and crooked executives/officials.

Henry is and always has been a dirty cheating twat. He should be hung. I can't wait to watch France get properly fucking cunted next summer, they are such a despicable team.Hopefully they end up in a group with England, Algeria and the USA. They'll finish with zero points, zero goals and 10 000 goals against. Then all the gay French will have a massive fucking cry (especially considering who they'll have just lost to) and hopefully set fire to their own country.



Nov 20 2009 7:19PM
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t-roy
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i'm not even sure if you have any knowledge of the game. can you imagine how long games would take if they started to replay anytime a player takes a fall or whatever? and if france is so bad then how do they usually do so well in the world cup. really?
Nov 20 2009 7:22PM
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fujarome
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funny how you say  you are one of only 3 knowledgeable ones, yet then you go out and say all that.

Henry has not always been a cheater. France will not get properly fucked.


i can't wait til next year when rooney, gerrard, lampard and terry all dive all they want and beg for penalties, yet england fail once again. You seem to be forgetting that england's only major trophy was won under questionable reffing. Not the first, or last time it'll happen in football.

though i do agree that tv replays would benefit everyone in the end.
Nov 20 2009 7:34PM
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shibby
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Hey shit head, what do you think happens every time a goal is scored? Oh yeah! At least two fucking replays. Obviously they would limit it to penalty decisions or goals.

How has France done so well in the World Cup? Dude, up until 1998 they had only made it to the semi finals a single time, hardly the mark of a traditional powerhouse. Then, in 2002, they didn't even make it out of the group stage and didn't score a single goal. Besides, Zidane basically carried the national team for a whole decade. If you have seen France play ever since Domenech took over you would understand how horrible this team really is.
Nov 20 2009 7:37PM
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20160Air
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I'm a fan of the french squad and have been playing soccer for a while. My take on the whole thing is that there is no way they can call for the game to be replayed. Bad calls happen all the time in soccer and in this case it happened to come at a very bad time for Ireland. However, there is no way that FIFA will allow the game to be replayed so suk it up Ireland, we're just as ashamed as you are angry.

Nov 20 2009 7:40PM
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fujarome
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no, domenech is horrible.

you take a terrible, incompetent, borderline retarded coach, and no matter what you give him, he'll fuck it up.
Nov 20 2009 7:41PM
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shibby
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You seem to be forgetting that Terry, Lampard, Gerrard and Rooney are all world beaters. France has been reduced to an uncoordinated group of has beens and young players. You also seem to be forgetting that England is managed by a master Italian tactician while France is managed by a loopy French cunt who's head is up in the clouds (literally).

And sure Henry WAS a great player. Doesn't change the fact that he's past it. He's also a product of the Arsenal/Wenger cheating machine.


Nov 20 2009 7:42PM
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SacAttack
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thats the beauty of soccer

zidane should have never been redcarded for the same reason
Nov 20 2009 7:44PM
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shibby
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It HAS been done before. FIFA just wanted France in there over Ireland, just like how UEFA wanted Barca to win the CL instead of Chelsea. Why do you think they decided to seed the playoffs? How could you explain the two muppet officials missing two blatant offsides and that handball?
Nov 20 2009 7:46PM
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fujarome
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so cheating is ok, if you're a world beater?

and how is the arsenal/wenger way a cheating machine? If nothing else, you could call it an ineffective way with the trophy drought, but not a cheating machine.
Nov 20 2009 7:47PM
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siva_freak
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THE HAND OF GODDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!
Nov 20 2009 7:50PM
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shibby
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So it's beautiful how players are given the illusion that they can get away with cheating because there's no adequate system in place to prevent it? Do you even realize what you're saying? You Americans are entirely more retarded than the real football 'purists' from Europe who have voiced their opinions on the issue.

Don't be a hypocrite. If this happened to a team you strongly supported you would be having a massive fucking cry.
Nov 20 2009 7:51PM
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shibby
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I was replying to you saying how England would fail. I think it's ignorant to label the English as cheaters, they're hard as fuck.

And Wenger is notorious in England for raising his 'children' to become sad cunts. Take that one with a grain of salt if it makes you feel better.
Nov 20 2009 7:54PM
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fujarome
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so you hate all arsenal-raised players? You must be no fan of anelka, ashley cole then.
Nov 20 2009 7:56PM
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