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Serious full tilt questions, only for full tilt owners

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chazz.
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-My parents both ski on the original Raichle Flexon and swear by them
-I just finished racing and need a boot i can stay in all day instead of ground out race plugs
-I am used to a stiffer boot (130 flex), and prefer responsiveness over sloppiness. Fairly aggressive, type 3+ skier
-I ski west coast, mt Hood mostly, a little park, a little powder, a little ice, a little slush, a few groomers
-Im 6'2", 180 pounds
-Technically i have a "wide" foot. However Full Tilts have a 98mm last, and so does the boot I have raced in the past 2 years
-I shell fit my dad's Flexons and they felt real good in terms of width
-Please no replies of "dude full tilts are narrow get SPK's!"
-Please no replies "go to a boot fitter", I am going to Evo on Monday to try them on.

I would like answers from owners of Full Tilt Konflict's & Full Tilt Hot Doggers. I have narrowed my choices down to those 2 and the new Seth's.

-What is the J-Bar?
-How much of a difference between Active and Rigid bootboards?
-How soft is a #6 tongue? a #8 tongue? #10 tongue?
-The "wide toe" for 09/10 is just a thinner liner, how much difference does 2mm make seriously?

Im very interested in these because of the fame they have in comfort and control, not because Todd Walnuts uses them. If there is another boot you think would fit my specs better, make sure and say why. If you think Full Tilts wont work at all for me, id like to hear your reasons.

And yes, I'm going to a bootfitter. I would just like to know what model to try as my starting point in terms of flex, width, and bootboard.

Thank you in advance, legitimate replies are much appreciated, maybe some of those silly karma thingys will be given out too who knows...

Did i mention that I am going to a bootfitter? Yes, I am.


Oct 6 2009 8:17PM
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7-11_Slurpee
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Well i can give you my 2 cents for the hot doggers (#6 flex.) For park they're perfect, but if your gonna be doing much racing/charging, you'll probably want an 8 or 10 flex. Other than that the hot dogger is a good boot. Though you might want to try the booter which is a little wider, and put a stiff tounge on that.
Oct 6 2009 8:30PM
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chazz.
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no racing, i just ski more aggressively because of my racing background
Oct 6 2009 8:39PM
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MEGAZORD
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At a minimum, pick up the #9 or 10 tongues.  6 is soft.  It will be super soft coming from a 130 plug.
Oct 6 2009 10:16PM
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MarkieR
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you should not get the hot doggers unless you want the red color and are willing to switch out tongues. the konflicts are sick. that's what i had last year, and they have the #8 tongue (okay stiffness, i swapped mine out for the stiffer orange tongue [#9]). this year, they're the same just with that big cable cuff added. the seth's are the same boot, just with a stiffer black #10 tongue. if you don't care about the rubber boot board, which isn't a huge difference, imo, get the first chair. they are sweet looking, have the #10 flex tongue, and have a rigid boot board that will be more similar to what you've been used to using.
Oct 6 2009 10:22PM
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BWalmer
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First, go with a #8 or #10 flex. Second, the Active board is better than the ridged board, active boot board has rubber that absorbs shock. The Pro liner is the warmest and most supportive of the two. I'd go with the Seth or the Konflict if you're used to a race boot, the Hot Dogger is mostly for park.
Oct 6 2009 10:36PM
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chazz.
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Ok so sounds like the verdict is the Konflict or the Seth. Sounds like the only real difference is the tongue. Anyone want to weigh in on what the J-bar is?
Oct 6 2009 10:56PM
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SHastatahoe
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I don't own fulltilts, but have been looking into them (or dabello il moro, krypton, SPK).  Anyways I tried on the konflict (26.5) and hotdogger (27).  I have previously used salomon 1080 foils (26.5).   I also have a wide foot, and am an ex-racer.

The konflict was extremely skinny on my foot, and it hurt to wear.  Obvious pressure points, but it just felt too skinny.  The hot doggers felt a lot wider, and more comfortable.  They were obviously too big, but I could tell they would fit better.  Anyways, I am planning on returning to try on the hotdogger (26.5)s and maybe use a stiffer tounge. 
Oct 6 2009 11:08PM
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chazz.
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Thats good to hear input from that side, again we will see monday when i try them on. Also my race plugs were obviously punched and ground a ton, so im not necessarily against doing work to boots to make them fit. I never expect any boot to fit any foot perfect right out of the box.
Oct 6 2009 11:11PM
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yeahitsdave
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additional material that wraps around the ankle and over the heel to lock everything in place.

I really love my Konflicts, and actually I generally ride them on the #4 tongue, and swap to the 8s for actual charging (at my shitty home mountain all we do is dick around, so the soft is more comfortable). I'm riding Seths this year (as I replace stuff every year this makes sense in some strange world I live in) but you could consider the First Chair, which is the same boot just black. I've heard that the clear plastic ages out and yellows, which would lean me toward the black.

And no need to go wider on the liner, it'll mold to what you need. The shell is polyurethane, so you can stretch it if you need a bit of extra width as long its done right.
Oct 6 2009 11:17PM
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chazz.
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thats exactly what i was thinking, but the only difference between the seth and the first chair is the bootboard. I do jump quite a bit, but i also have custom insoles id like to put in them that came from my race boots. So with an insole, is the "cushioning rubber" really make a landing more comfortable? or is it just hype?
Oct 6 2009 11:20PM
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iggyskier
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-What is the J-Bar?

All the boots you should be considering have it, but don't worry about it.  It is mostly marketing.  The pro liners are definitely better, though, so get it.

-How much of a difference between Active and Rigid bootboards?

Isn't huge. Used both and you will be fine with both.  If you spend your days landing 60 foot park booters you might notice the active bootboard more, but you will be fine with either.

You can always swap them too.

-How soft is a #6 tongue? a #8 tongue? #10 tongue?

Coming from a 130, 6 is SOFT.  Hell 8 is even soft.  I was on 9's this year and even they weren't stiff enough for me.  I am changing boots because while these used to fit me really well (back in HS) now they cause horrible pain and even 30+ hours of boot fitting hasn't helped, so they must go.  But go at least 8, if not 9 or 10.  As I said, I was in a 9 and definitely wanted a stiffer boot.

-The "wide toe" for 09/10 is just a thinner liner, how much difference does 2mm make seriously?

Could be a lot, might be nothing. Won't know until you try it. 

Do note these boots are basically customizable.  You could buy the high five or something, change the tongue, liner, bootboard, etc and get a totally different boot.

Hope that helped.  If they are comfortable on your feet, they are kick ass boots.
Oct 6 2009 11:31PM
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chazz.
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Yes yes that helped a ton! Thanks so much, and thank you to everyone that had some good input. I think I'll try on the seth's or first chair first on monday because of the stiff tongue and go from their. Again, much thanks to all who helped.
Oct 6 2009 11:36PM
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MEGAZORD
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it was really only the zebra hotdoggers.  Mine are sort of stained, i assume by sweat.  The zebra print is just fabric glued to the inside, this is not the case with the new ones.
Oct 7 2009 12:29AM
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iFail
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You COULD get some older FTs and get a stiffer tongue.  None of the FT liners are quite the quality of intuitions FROM intuitions site, and the pro liner is so thick that it makes the Konflict seem much tighter, even after molding.  That way you could save some money and have all the choice you want of intuitions.
Oct 7 2009 12:31AM
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MEGAZORD
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There is a reason that these liners are different.  Why go through all the r&d to design new liners when they could have just used stock intuition ones?
Oct 7 2009 12:43AM
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MEGAZORD
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stellar contribution.
Oct 7 2009 12:49AM
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Cant-Er
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pm'd with some insight/suggestions.
Oct 7 2009 1:03AM
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blackoutbill
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Get some

Seriously though I love mine. I am alot smaller guy than you and 6 is the
perrfect flex for park and playing around. I come from the complete opposite of a race background and I cant imagine anything softer espescially for a bigger dude.

I don't know what model has metal buckles or if any of them do but I would suggest getting the boot with metal buckles as opposed to plastic. I have broken two buckles in the season I have had my fulltilts. I think you can buy replacement buckles that are metal too.

I hope most of that was coherent. Sorry if it was stupid, my mind imploded after ap chemistry today
Oct 7 2009 1:22AM
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chazz.
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yes thank you! the seth, first chair, and konflict all have aluminum buckles which is a plus, obviously performs better on higher end boots.
Oct 7 2009 3:25PM
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GNARBARSTAR
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i would take off that cuff on the top. meaningless weight
Oct 7 2009 4:15PM
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chazz.
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so BUMP, just got the new Konflicts today. Its funny because i hear so many "full tilts are for narrow feet, get SPKs!" yet here is my experience. I have a "wide" foot. My race boots ive been in the past seasons have had a last of 98mm. Hours of punching and grinding and they still rubbed a little on my 6th toe area. Today in the shop i slid the Konflicts on (last of 98mm) and was amazed width-wise how comfortable they were with the liner and the shape of the shell. Now, im not saying for all you 14 year olds out there with SPK to go switch to Full Tilts, because that would be stupid and your feet could be wider yet than mine, but this just reinforces to me the importance of a BOOTFITTER BOOTFITTER BOOTFITTER. SPKs felt like skate shoes when i tried them on, and technically i have very "wide" feet. Go to a BOOTFITTER and try things on, only then will you know if they will fit your feet or not.

Moral of the story, thanks to everyone for helpful input, I got Konflicts, they feel awesome on my "wide" feet, and im fully confident they will only continue to break in over time and become more comfortable. oh yea, BOOTFITTER.
Oct 11 2009 11:07PM
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-james-
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and the moral of the story is if u wanna be like wallisch get ft hahaha

Oct 12 2009 2:27AM
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MEGAZORD
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suck a dick with aids on the tip.
Oct 12 2009 9:00AM
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btrand2000
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Do you guys have any info about the bumble bee pro models?
Oct 12 2009 9:24AM
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blackoutbill
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I own them. What do you need to know?
Oct 12 2009 6:14PM
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Thatdp
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i just got out of some race boots and i got the conflicts and they ride realy nice get amazing response and dont kill your shins  they came with a #8 and #4 tongue and i use the #8 
Oct 12 2009 7:42PM
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