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Von
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http://cbs2chicago.com/local/gulstream.jets.congress.2.1116741.html
The congress just got three new gulfstream jets costing tax payers $200 million. When are we going to vote out these hypocritical bastards or better yet realize the basic corrupt nature of government and free ourselves from this leviathan forever?
Aug 7 2009 4:30PM
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skiminnesota
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i love how a couple of months ago it was all the news media and congress could talk about was auto execs flying to DC on their private jets... now they just got 3 new ones..... EPIC FAIL.
Aug 7 2009 4:34PM
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baaangthat
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http://www.politicschoolers.com

you should go there to talk about this stuff
Aug 7 2009 4:43PM
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The_Tim
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fuck it, anyone would do that in their position. stop lying to yourselves. everyone would ball out
Aug 7 2009 5:13PM
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Von
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124960404730212955.html
Excuse me apparently its 8 new planes at a cost of $550 million!!! Holy fuck it's like they're asking for a revolution. I say we kick them out or force them out.
Aug 7 2009 5:21PM
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860
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So you enjoy paying for a jet for someone else? Arn't you caring....
Aug 7 2009 5:23PM
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smooticus
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Thats a shit ton of money, but dont you think that politicians need to be able to travel as quickly as they can, obviously there are things that need to be done and its better if they get done fast
Aug 7 2009 5:24PM
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skiminnesota
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read the WSJ article...


and the scary thing is 550m is a drop in the bucket....
Aug 7 2009 5:36PM
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Dustin.
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Okay, I agree that buying excessive luxuries is lame, but honestly shut up with the revolutionary anarchist BS.  You sound like your 10.
Aug 7 2009 5:38PM
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ATLskier
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fuck that. I would not. I would have respect for the american people and their tax dollars. In fact, I would have a hard time getting paid more than the average salary in the US, if I got paid at all. Most politicians have a lot of money to begin with, and they are not affected by the laws they vote on. They have a private gas station in the capital. They get pretty much everything paid for, including their full salary after one term.

They can fly with everyone else. The only reason not to is security and how can 8 jets even fly all the members of congress around? They cant. Its pointless and shows we need to get almost ALL of them out of office, democrats and republicans.
Aug 7 2009 5:40PM
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Von
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Why? Do you have any idea how much I've studied all this anarchist revolutionary bullshit, how may books I've read on history, politics, and economics and how much deep thought I've put into the philosophy I hold?

So I guess you could say I sound like a 10 year old, or you could stop and think about it a little bit yourself and realize that these people are robbing you and your family every day so that they can live lavish and elite lifestyles.
Aug 7 2009 5:42PM
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Von
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They definitely have way way more than just 8 private planes, these are just the brand new ones their want to buy with our money in the middle of the largest federal deficit ever.
Aug 7 2009 5:48PM
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ATLskier
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yes, I know. They would have to have over 50 of them to be able to take care of everyone.


And G5's. Why are they buying G5's? Fucking buy a few Citations. They are so much cheaper. around 3 mil vs 40/50 mill. I forget the costs, but there is a HUGE difference.
Aug 7 2009 5:57PM
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Von
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Not just G5's but business fitted 737 those are fucking passenger jets that they will be using as their own private jets.
Aug 7 2009 5:59PM
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ATLskier
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damn, I didnt know about that one. There's been too much news lately to keep up with everything.

this keeps getting more and more ridiculous.
Aug 7 2009 6:03PM
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fujarome
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ok, first off...

you realize that these aren't just government jets, right? These jets will go to the US Air Force, and for them, this money is nothing. Ever look up the costs of all those new f-22s and various upgrades that usaf fleets are undergoing?

what bothers me about it is that they are actually requesting the new jets solely for their use only. It wouldn't be as bad if any higher up in the government could use them because then they'd get a fair bit of usage, but these would be congress-specific jets.

and it just straight up pisses me off that soldiers are flying commercial, and are packed into cargo jets to fly while we use a smaller, but equally expensive plane to fly 5 people in luxury.

not quite cause for a revolution though.
Aug 7 2009 6:19PM
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Mr.Panda
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doesnt make you an expert dude and trying to sound like an expert is what pisses people off here.
Aug 7 2009 6:32PM
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horner
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It's a lost cause, that's how it works, always has and most likely always will.  Politics are dirty, and this isn't surprising.  Purchases like this happen all the time, no one will remember it in a week.  I have been taking a hands off view on politics lately, and it feels nice to just quit caring, as terrible as everyone will say that is.  It's simply greed, nothing more to it.
Aug 7 2009 6:39PM
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Lt.Dan
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While I agree that this is an extreme waste I have a question for you: how will "free[ing] ourselves from this leviathan forever" help at all?  It sounds like you want to completely get rid of government.  And while you probably don't support a completely government free society I DO hope you realize that we need a fairly extensive government to make things function given the huge population of our country and the world.  A western style of living where you fend for yourself might seem attractive but when self-imposed restrictions are stripped the base instincts of humans would run rampant.  Again, I'm not sure if this is what you were driving at with your statement but it seems like too many people have a "I don't need the government, go fuck yourself" attitude these days.
Aug 7 2009 7:38PM
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-Mugatu
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I think your just jealous you dont have one.
Aug 7 2009 8:15PM
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ATLskier
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No he is talking about getting these assholes out of government. This debate is not about little or no government. It is about the representatives representing the people. Clearly they are not representing us, and they arent not doing their jobs. It is time to fire them...too bad we have to wait till 2010.
Aug 7 2009 8:35PM
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twin-tip-hero
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what the fuck is this country coming to?    this is such bullshit.
Aug 7 2009 9:47PM
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KravtZ
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thats gay
Aug 7 2009 9:50PM
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Lt.Dan
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to ATLskier - I think there are a lot worse politicians who could be running the country right now, I mean, the Obama administration has done some pretty good stuff (imho).  But I totally agree that these politicians aren't really representing the people right now.   I mean what ever happened to Obama's pledge to transparency in gov.?  or a lot of the other promises he hasn't kept for that matter.

This was probably the wrong thread to attack this issue in,  I guess I'm just sick of all the hicks around here who claim they're seceding and then go shoot at helicopters

Aug 7 2009 10:12PM
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t3hb055
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I have come to a good idea on this thing we can fix this easy, with cheap well made planes:Click for larger image

Please Note this is just a rough idea of what to do. Any suggestions would be great. I think the total cost would be pretty cheap too!
Aug 7 2009 10:51PM
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Von
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I am a libertarian, and though I do have reservations about complete anarchy I would love it if the government would stop controlling many aspects of our lives and our economy and I would also appreciate if they would stop every once in a while and realize that it is our money that they are spending and our money they are throwing down a huge black hole buying unneeded things like Business fitted 737. At least when companies buy extravagant shit it's with their own money, and if they rip of their investors they'll be arrested, unlike congressmen who get reelected when they rip of taxpayers.
Aug 8 2009 1:04AM
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thelizards
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America sucks
Aug 8 2009 1:51AM
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t3hb055
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Click for larger image

Here We go I made the jet more ecofriendly and added a fridge for the hungry guys in flight.
Aug 8 2009 2:03AM
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prontocuts.com
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Seeing as my dad overlooks the maintenance of an airlines whole entire fleet(claim?), I can tell you that its not just the cost of the airplanes themselves, but the maintenance that will cost a ton.

Im getting so sick of the government, republican, democrat, I dont care. Most of them are out for themselves (well no shit) and im getting sick of it. Obama pushing through all this shit that people obviously dont want, and he doesnt care.
Aug 8 2009 2:10AM
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prontocuts.com
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citation ftw.

Also, consider the inside of these G5s, alot of them are outfitted with rare woods, some that are even commercially extinct now. These guys really care about the environment.
Aug 8 2009 2:12AM
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Von
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wait i see it know, it just  needed the fridge but it's fucking genius.
Aug 8 2009 2:12AM
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tydan
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Fuck I know luxury when I see it and this thing is a beauty.
Aug 8 2009 2:45AM
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saucybiscuits
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i know i sound like a fagot american, but i seriously want to move to canada when im older  
Aug 8 2009 3:28AM
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t3hb055
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Oh I know it is. I sent in my idea to Boeing. I hope they like it. Unfortunately these are hard to stop to check so they might make good drug smuggling planes. Hmm. Well if it sells them who cares.
Aug 8 2009 3:58AM
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PacificRimJob
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Hey... all you folks who believe in the trickledown theory... isnt this how it works? government buys jets from gulfstream who in turn puts money back into the system?

lol..

Aug 8 2009 4:11AM
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skiminnesota
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see the problem is when a car company buys one of these beasts its money they made off me. when the government buys them its pulling money out of the free market. they just stole the money... (the government)
Aug 8 2009 10:31AM
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ATLskier
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It can always get worse, but thats no reason to accept what we have now. Obama hasnt met a lot of his promises, yes. What hicks around here have said anything about seceding? (by the way, Connecticut was going to secede because of the war of 1812, but didnt) The only talk has been about texas, and thats mostly about the 10th amendment. Helicopters? stop making shit up.

The point is the representatives in washington are doing a terrible job right now, from jets to horse birth control(yes look it up). America can do much better than this.
Aug 8 2009 10:33AM
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ATLskier
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Heres another one I just heard

10 members of congress wanted to study climate change so they flew to australia, went to the barrier reef, went on some cable car, and went to the south pole. The total cost was over .5 million dollars.

Aug 8 2009 10:40AM
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PacificRimJob
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but didnt they just supplant it right back into the free market?

heh, heh.

Aug 8 2009 2:18PM
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t3hb055
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I'm having a little problem, I don't know if I should put in a windshield or not. Do you guys think 200 Billion is too much for it?
Aug 8 2009 2:28PM
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skiminnesota
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you know actually i just came up with a great way to fix the entire economy....

lets go around breaking windows. think about how much money window makers would bring in if every store in america needed a new window. why they would have to hire on so many people and create so much wealth. o wait. dammit.


Keynesian much?
Aug 8 2009 7:25PM
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hanksy
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this
Aug 8 2009 11:25PM
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Von
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But at least F-22's are somewhat for the public, they are meant at least theoretically to protect America and it's population from a hostile attack.

On the flip side the private jets that Congress ordered does absolutely nothing for the American people and allows our congress people to live like kings of the taxpayers hard work.
Aug 8 2009 11:33PM
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Lt.Dan
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Like anyone else I'm pretty set in my opinions and I really don't want to start a political argument but that stuff about the helicopter isn't bullshit.  Here's a link to an article in my local paper,  3rd paragraph from the end,  it's the most credible source but if you google "montana militia national guard helicopter" you'll get a whole lot of other articles about the incident

http://www.ravallirepublic.com/articles/2009/07/21/editorials/47editorials.txt 

Aug 8 2009 11:34PM
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Von
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Dude that was in 1995 but that mindset is pretty stupid. I am opposed to the federal government but I would be equally opposed to an "All powerful sheriff" I'm really just opposed to the centralization of power but that's for another thread/place.

Far-Rightists are the worst and they give Civil libertarians the worst name.
Aug 8 2009 11:47PM
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fujarome
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my biggest complaint is that several weeks ago congress canceled the f-22 program and any further deliveries of them....on the basis that they cost too much!

agreed that its bullshit that these jets are to be specifically for congress. Hell, even the president doesn't get his own, full time jet! (The vc-25s (used to transport the president) are also used by other high level government figures. There's just always 1 of the 2 ready to transport the president at any time)
Aug 8 2009 11:56PM
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Von
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Doesn't the president have Airforce One at his disposal though?

And the f-22 cut was a bad play in some ways but we already have over 150 of them would not have 8 more really be that bad?
Aug 9 2009 12:00AM
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fujarome
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air force one is the callsign of any plane he is on. He could be flying his own, single engine prop plane, and it would still be called air force one.

The planes people always call air force one/that he uses to travel internationally are actually 747s, designated vc-25s by the air force. There are 2 of them, and each is an exact replica of the other, except for the tail number. 1 of them is always on standby, whereas the other can be used by top military officials, particularly in the air force. Doesn't happen very often though since it's somewhat impractical to bring such a huge aircraft everywhere, not even the president uses it a lot of the time. And technically it's not always at his disposal, it's the decision of the Air Force. If for some unlikely reason, they chose to not allow him an aircraft, he'd be screwed. Of course that would never happen.

Truth of the matter is that the Vc-25s (air force one) are a huge waste of money. Almost no other leader of any country has 2 huge private jets for their use. The french president uses an A340, which is used by all gov't officials, and all british leaders, including the queen...fly british airways.
Aug 9 2009 12:30AM
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Von
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this
Aug 9 2009 12:32AM
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