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Forward mounting, whats it for??

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greatwhitehope
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Maybee i have just been misreading, but i think i have been reading about people talking about mounting forward of center... what is that all about??? whats it good for?
Jul 6 2009 8:45PM
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ChipSki
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I'm not positive, but they might be talking about forward of the manufacturer's suggested mounting point which is usually behind true center
Jul 6 2009 8:47PM
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Shabangarang
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for riding switch easier  idk ^^^^ makes sence

Jul 6 2009 8:49PM
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greatwhitehope
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ok, well that is a start. Anyone else want to touch on this subject?
Jul 6 2009 8:50PM
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Shabangarang
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thats the only thing i can think of that makes a little sense i dont know why u would mount them forward u probably would do a bunch of nose dives off jumps hahA
Jul 6 2009 9:00PM
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Lemuel
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better skiing switch, easier to grab (ie: tail), easier to butter stiffer skis, looking like a baller.  My shoip wouldn't let me do it.
Jul 6 2009 9:07PM
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Loco-Deer-Slayer
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think some people do it on rockered skis too... so they don't wheely cliffs
Jul 6 2009 9:18PM
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the-big-lepowski
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maybe if you had a quiver of half a dozen park skis and get bored...

I've heard its the new rec mounting line on Andy Mahre's sig pair of hellbents, designed to progress the abilities of switch pow skiing and with a reverse directional shovel tail for 100% reverse carving.

Jul 6 2009 9:19PM
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chazz.
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Some people choose to mount their park skis a few centimeters forward of center. Reasons i have heard include easier nose presses, better switch landings, and easier nose grabs. I for one think it may be a placebo effect, but without experience myself i shouldnt speak. Theres only one person i know who swears by it.
Jul 6 2009 10:08PM
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Casey
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they go foward of center to get equal length from toepiece and heelpiece. it makes nose grabs easier, tail grabs easier, and actually if you think about it, if your switch riding is weaker than it is than your regular (which is it for pretty much everyone) then it makes sense to have your ski handle better switch if its for 100 percent park. But that being said, true center feels pretty foward for me, I think it would be weird as hell to go foward of true center.
Jul 7 2009 1:33AM
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a--1
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thats ridiculous there your skis
Jul 7 2009 1:43AM
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iFail
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Pep messed around with it a bit back I think but doesn't anymore(reg. center now for him if I remember right).  IMHO, stupid.  I think that GS race skis carve and ride fine switch, and the benifit to center is = swing weight.  Switch carving is good on most skis that regular carving is.  a ski with more tail than tip will suckk forward and again I didn't feel any better switch(probably worse switch than true center).  I have had experience with it so I am not just guessing either(played with mount on demo skis that had massive Jester demo adjustment plates, I think on Nordicas or something).
Jul 7 2009 1:45AM
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panojibber
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I had a pair of Head Mad Trix from a few years ago, their recommended mount point was +0.5 cm, and it really didn't make a huge difference, although even now I am trying to correct the problems with my actual technique that came out of having more tail than tip. Don't do it.

If EP can butter normal mounted pow skis, you can butter center mounted park skis.
Nose grabs? Stretch you pussy.
Skiing switch? Learn how, you don't want your forward skiing to get worse due to inability to ski switch well.
Tail grabs? Easy as fuck, just reach.

I think its honestly something that was popular for a while, but its dying now and with good reason. Center mount is practical as is back from center, but unless you're a mainly switch skier there is no reason to do this.
Jul 7 2009 2:26AM
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jibjunkie
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searchbar theyre have been quite a few threads on this. but anyways yea they make a stiffer ski seem softer theyre easier to grab etc. many people claim that dumont and olson both mount ahead of center but idk a lot of centered skis can look forward. i have seen pic of jossi on the podiuum where it appears hes forward. i figure if your gonna go as far as to forward mount on a directional ski why not even mount them backwards as well as forward so switch is a breeze.
Jul 7 2009 8:22AM
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DBeck
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true center is the only way to go.
Jul 7 2009 9:55AM
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the-big-lepowski
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... but it's the shops liability.  Thats the way they think when they require that they turn down your your DIN settings to 5 when they make the smallest binding adjustment.  Just the way it is, but really makes me embrace the "anti-resort" skier attitude.  And then what are waivers for then?

And to the person above me, joke please?  Sure, go ahead with many park skis, but think twice before you put your non-sym pow skisat dead center.  Just because its the popular thing... 

Jul 7 2009 11:09AM
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KennyC
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i met a guy who did that who rode for some ski brand i think it was rossi but he had two differant skis one center mounted for park and i saw one forward mounted. i asked whats it for like you asked he said on the jump line he was riding mostly switch so he mounted it forward for a easier switch feel. i wouldnt suggest it core center is good enough

Jul 7 2009 11:14AM
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Billek
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Solve for X-

Mounted back= decreased switch performance

Mounted forward= decreased forward preformance

Mounted center= X

Jul 7 2009 11:58AM
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powder_submarine
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sorry if this question can sound silly but:

on a non-symmetrical twin-tip ski whose true center is not in the middle (the point at the same distance from tip and tail), but is set about 8 cm back from there (at the center of the sidecut, the narrowest point), how does affect to mount bindings a little forward from true center?

(hope my english skills are good enough to make my question understandable :-) )

i was considering to move forward the bindings on my volkl bridge, for a more "balanced" felling, since they're quite stiff...

thanks
Jul 7 2009 12:47PM
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no_steeze
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putting a ski at dead center often messes with the sidecut and makes it ski weird so people go a cm or 2 forward or back, forward for solid park and switch riding, back for more all mtn, but dead center on some skis is a little funky in some peoples' opinions
Jul 7 2009 1:06PM
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Billek
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Your question was worded very well, and it is a common one for someone who is considering a center mount.

On a more traditional, all-mountainish ski, the recommended mounting point is based, in part, on the sidecut of the ski.  If a ski was meant to be flexed from a certain position (recommended mounting point), you might run into trouble, and the ski would not turn as well as it should.  I suggest mounting it not at, but closer to the center, so you can reap the benefits of center mount, but it won't kill the turning preformance.

Then theres skis that are a little more park oriented, but not totally symetrical.  These skis usually have no problem being mounted at center, even if recommended is back from center.  My Bluehouse MR's tip/tail width is only 5mm in difference.  I have them mounted at dead center and I love it.

Then you have the symetrical skis, which were designed to be skied at center.

I am sure that is confusing, so i will try to sum it up.

-All-mountain skis can be mounted center, but they won't ski well because it fights against the design of the ski.

-The park oriented, yet non-symmetricaly designed skis ski very well at center, so don't ba afraid to jump foreward of recommended.

-Symetrical skis... goes without saying.
Jul 7 2009 2:01PM
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SEABURN
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well put. forward of center is stupid
Jul 7 2009 2:16PM
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powder_submarine
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thanks for your answers, everything's much more clear now :))
Jul 7 2009 2:32PM
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Lemuel
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How is it liability? its not likes it is going to completely change the risks and make them much greater.  I could see if the profile of the ski was too thin, but in my case, they should have let me get them mounted where I wanted them. Mounting on a certain part of the ski is not a safety feature like bindings.  But the shop tech said "Your line was drawn forward of center. There would be more tail than tip.  You would not want to ski like that" and I did not want to fight him. 
Jul 7 2009 2:51PM
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Billek
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In that situation, you should have fought him on it.
You, the paying customer could choose to pack up and go to the next shop and get it done.
You have no one to blame but yourself if you were unhappy with the outcome.
Jul 7 2009 3:03PM
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the-big-lepowski
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^ make turns, not war.  There's no reason to fight a tech guy over something so trivial.  What will do them and the shop a harder blow is if you take your businesses to another shop.

and to jollygreen..., I agree that it seems ridiculous, but suppose you got it mounted forward and were an exceptionally ignorant asshole.  You go out, and are carving just fine and fall, snap your spine.  Your brother, who saw it all, can testify that the problem was with a bad ski, and you 2 sue the mountain for millions $.  Sounds far fetched, but I've heard stories, so shops play it on the safe side. 

Don't complain, invest in your own mounting jig if you care.

Jul 7 2009 6:10PM
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Billek
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Me- "You, the paying customer could choose to pack up and go to the next shop and get it done."

Learn how to digest reading material.
Jul 7 2009 6:22PM
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K.C.dia
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The heelpiece on most bindings is heavier than the toe. Many people mount forward so there is a more equal weight.
Jul 7 2009 6:35PM
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the-big-lepowski
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legitimately called out for reading your first and last sentences.  I'm sorry.  but getting snappy about my reading skills is unnecesary.  As a general rule, all of NS should read other threads and posts more throughly to avoid repetitions like my own.  (hopefully this was original :))   Peace, KiP
Jul 7 2009 7:36PM
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Dr.Dickless
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I'm pretty sure when people say like +2cm or something they're talking about 2 cm forward of a regular midsole mount
Jul 7 2009 7:43PM
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