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Narrow vs. Phat Waist

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Jibbidy
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I'm soo stuck between looking for Bacons but I've always been a noob when it comes to spins.  Are they gonna make it much harder to learn really, than if I picked up, say, Silencers??  I need some skis to progress with in the park BUT I want a fat ski for when I live nearer whistler all next year.  Should I get some narrow skis and wait to get a second fatter pair??  Or just buy an expensive "all mountain ski" like the Bacons (apparently all mountain?)
Jul 4 2009 9:51PM
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Willard
Posts: 5117 - Karma: 429
well i use a 98 underfoot in the park but i a slightly fatter ski you might want to stick to a slimer ski just not the silencer
Jul 4 2009 10:10PM
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joshua
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depends how often u will be goin to whistler
Jul 4 2009 10:12PM
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Jibbidy
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yeee I just mean do I suck at spinning most likely because of technique or did my old Seths reaaally hinder me
Jul 4 2009 10:12PM
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ReedSkis~
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I was having the same dilemma while buying skis at the beginning of this season.VCTs, Line Blends, and Anthems.
I went with the VCTs and love them, but they are a bit heavy for tech rail tricks and bigger spins in the park. I ended up getting some invaders for the park and they are great, alot lighter and spin faster, but obviously not as good in the pow.

If I were you I would get two pair of skis, one park one pow, but a one ski quiver can be pulled off if you don't have the $$$ for two pair
Jul 4 2009 10:15PM
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Jibbidy
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I see what ya mean...I really want some skinny light ass skis that I can butter and throw around easily, like theres nothin on my feet
Jul 4 2009 10:24PM
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joly.sp
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Simply put yes, it would be a bit more of a challenge to spin bacons over silencers. You can spin bacons but there is a reason the pros usually dont ride fat skis in the park and thats because narow park specific skis spins easier. I think if you want to ski park quite a bit and still ski pow and ave one ski I would get something around 100 waist. Not 115 like bacons or 80something like silencers. Look at Line Blends(100), Volkl Bridge(92), Moment Tahoe(96).

Jul 4 2009 10:25PM
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Jibbidy
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say I were to get two pairs, 1 park, 1 powder.  for park, fujatives or silencer...which is lighter, which is softer?
Jul 4 2009 10:30PM
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japanada
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Stay away from the silencers, go with the fujas outta those two skis. better flex.
Jul 4 2009 11:33PM
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Tripplesixty
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I would go with two skis... I had a pair of silencers for park.. and the first day out on my Hellbents i tried to throw a 3 and ended up landing switch, doing a 180. You have throw yourself a lot harder to spin a bigger ski. Realize that the SFB has almost twice the surface area hence twice the weight (moment of inertia) that you need to get spinning, plus who wants to fuck the edges of a good allmountain ski on some rails...
Jul 4 2009 11:44PM
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Tripplesixty
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double post sorry....

The Fujas are a good ski that would do well in and out of the park... or you could go with the extreems, which will offer a better park experience than the silencers
Jul 4 2009 11:45PM
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Jibbidy
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I figured as much with the fiberglass in them.
Thanks for the help homies
Jul 4 2009 11:46PM
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skithesprings
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rossi s5, 98 underfoot, slays everything the east coast has to offer.

just puttin it out there. i love mine.

Jul 5 2009 12:37AM
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nickmiles
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i personally like bigger skis in the park. i feel like it gives me a solid wide base to land on. the way i see it, is why land on an ice skate blade when you can land on a snowboard (obviously exaggerated). but the bigger skis will definitely make it tougher to spin quickly. if your hitting big jumps and doing 5's, your spinning really slow to begin with so the skis don't make as much of a difference in the air. but smaller jumps spinning fast will be tougher with the bigger boards. thats my take
Jul 5 2009 1:02AM
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ski_DC
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Not necessarily. The SFB is probably heavier, but not by twice as much. the SFBs are pretty light, and twice the surface area does not equal twice the weight. You're dealing with a different part of the ski, since edges are not included, and materials are different.
id try and go with 2 pairs. maybe bacons and suspects. the fujas are still 95 underfoot, which, for a pure park ski, is kinda fat. if you use the bacons as pow only, and the other pair for park and all mtn, go with the fujas, though
Jul 5 2009 1:21AM
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Tripplesixty
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Your right it wont be twice as heavy (that was exagerated) but it will be a great deal harder to get spinning..
Jul 5 2009 1:32AM
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iFail
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no.... half the surface area of SFB=57.5mm.....RACE skis are 68 or more, park skis 78(trouble, skinniest park ski I know of) to 90 or so.  plus wider ski should not have the same weight fraction added on as width added on(example:some 80 waist park ski weighs 8.7 lbs lets say, a 125 waisted pow ski in the same length should not weigh 13.6lbs, which by your math( (8.7/80)*125 )it would)
Jul 5 2009 2:41AM
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B-runge
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i can three off the ground on my bacons


your fine
dont worry about it
spin to win
Jul 5 2009 2:47AM
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Mr.Silva
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I plan on using the VCT's turbos in park and pow next season :) and to the OP if you have money try to get 2 pairs of skis.
Jul 5 2009 4:48AM
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powder_submarine
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i considered myself to get only a pair of ski to ride everywhere, pow and park, this is the reason why a bought a '09 volkl bridge...

they have mid-fat waist and have a wide shovel, so they're pretty good in pow, but on the other side they're stiff and true center is set quite back, therefore it's not the best choice for park riding (even tough there's an edit here on NS of Liam Downey using them in park with so much style https://www.newschoolers.com/web/content/news/news_id/1843/ , but he's so good it couldn't be anything else)
this is the reason why i've changed my mind and come to the obvious result that 2 skis is better than 1...
sure it get expensive, but if i had the money i would no doubt get myself a pair of moment rocker and a pair of moment bibby pro (a sick combo imho)

so a good idea could be get a cheap park ski, like line afterbang and a fat backcountry one

with this said, i must agree that '10 k2 kung fujas with the new schizo system (allowing to move bindings back and for 6cm) could shred really well both pow and park http://www.untracked.com/p3031c13b37-10_k2_kung_fujas_skis_w_marker_griffon_schizofrantic_binding.html


Jul 5 2009 6:02AM
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Ben.
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kung fujas. and whatever you do, dont buy the bridge. worst ski ever made
Jul 5 2009 10:05AM
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Jibbidy
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wait...what about 08 fujas VS 08 Silencers
Jul 5 2009 12:23PM
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Ski.Ballet
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Get the Liberty Helix - wide under foot, but super light and poppy and fun in the park. Plus, they hold up really well on rails.
Jul 5 2009 1:02PM
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ecjibme
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i dont know who pays for your skis, but retail $435 doesnt sound cheap to me
Jul 5 2009 1:09PM
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ReedSkis~
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Yea next years Fujas are gonna be so sick
as far as a one ski quiver goes, those are about as good as it can get
Jul 5 2009 1:18PM
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Jibbidy
Posts: 787 - Karma: 19
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Jul 5 2009 1:43PM
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powder_submarine
Posts: 204 - Karma: 17
359$ sounds better?
just a 30sec google search... maybe something even better could be found..

http://www.untracked.com/p3162c2b88-10_line_afterbang_freestyle_allmountain_skis.html
Jul 5 2009 1:58PM
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OhMyBosh
Posts: 5056 - Karma: 170
Get 2 skis. Skiing pow on center mounted skis = fail.
Jul 5 2009 2:05PM
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powder_submarine
Posts: 204 - Karma: 17
sorry for double posting and some random ranting...
but i know what it takes to earn money, so the cheaper you can get something, the better it is: i guess we can both agree on this point ;)
my suggestion was about a next season's ski that has a lot of expectations on,
but there on untracked.com, or on some other shops, you get as well some last season stuff without spending too much...

bottom line: i guess that this kind of choice is quite personal, depending on someone preferences or expectations, all we can do is trying some hopefully useful hint...
Jul 5 2009 2:18PM
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Willard
Posts: 5117 - Karma: 429
shutup
Jul 5 2009 2:20PM
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Newschool_Pope
Posts: 2473 - Karma: 267
id say go for a true par ski, like the punx or alpha 1 and buy a pow ski, maybe one from last season so it is cheaper. i used to get allmountain skis but u regret having bought an allmountain skis when u hit rails or just ride switch. they also tend to be heavier which makes spinning more difficult and ull need a good starting base, i.e. an easily skiable ski to learn spins. whistler has some deep pow, so ull not get really far with the allmountain ski. ull want something that will really float and u can charge with. maybe consider the EP pro or the Hellbents (even if the two skis are on the softer side)
even if u spend more money for 2 pairs, its better than waisting money on one pair which doesnt satisfies ur wishes to 100% IMO.
peace
Jul 5 2009 3:02PM
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Jibbidy
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true. the way I see it, you can take something that shreds pow to the max, like bacons, into the park (except rails I guess) and pull 3s or 5s with only slightly more effort than some park skis.  On the other hand, you can't take park skis into powder and expect to get any worthy performance.  All mountains are just not good at anything particular, and I want to avoid them as best as I can.

Verdict: cheap, light, flexy park specific skis + bacons or the like
Whats an extra 2 or 3 hundred for some decent park skis?  Not a big deal.
Jul 5 2009 3:35PM
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