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Help Me Finish My Quiver!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Balto
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So im in need of some help with finishing my quiver. im looking for a mid fat all mountain ski. needs to be medium-stiff flex, at least 181 in length, rockered, and at least 110 under foot. Right now my quiver contains:
EP Pro w/ vist 614s
181 AR6 w/ marker comp 14s
181 Teneightys w/ s912s

I'm 16 years old, 6'2", 145 lbs(yes im very thing) experet skier. raced for 9 years. like to fast. these will be used for 5in or less days, some laps in the park, bc booters, chutes, and cliffs. skis im looking at are:

190 ON3P Caylor-not 100% sure this can happen, let me know asap scott
189 Surface LL2-can get these for very cheep
185 Armada JJ-most expensive
191 Moment Bibby
moment night train-biggest size, i forget the length
184? Atomic bent chetlers

these will be mounted with fks 185 OR marker comp20s, depends on what i decide i want my din at.
Apr 24 2009 12:04PM
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mmckechnie
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Rossignol S7

Line Mothership
Apr 24 2009 12:22PM
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Ski.Ballet
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Haven't used any of the ones you mention, but I've flexed the LL2 and it is soft. Have you considered the Liberty Helix 187? It's 105 underfoot, but it is an amazing ski - super fun in all conditions. I have mine mounted -2 and they kill it. They are super light and poppy, which makes them surprisingly fun and agile in the park, but the elongated tip allows them to charge.
Apr 24 2009 1:36PM
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no_steeze
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jj or bibby
i don't know enough about the night train to recommend it but it looks epic

i'm definitely getting caylors if it works out but if not i'll look into the night train
Apr 24 2009 1:41PM
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Legion
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bentchetler is 123 underfoot and the night train is 120 something, so id go with a ski a little with a little less underfoot.  Mabye bacons?
Apr 24 2009 3:14PM
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richards
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people these days have way to many skis..
Apr 24 2009 3:38PM
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General_Ripper
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I own the LL2 and its a medium-stiff flex. I wouldn't say soft at all. Thats misleading when someone thinks of soft they think of something like a line bacon.  I owned the bacon and these thing are twice as stiff.

Apr 24 2009 5:10PM
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Dustin.
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The VCT turbo or maybe even the Obsethed sound like they might float your boat.  Not sure how necessary it is that they be really wide.
Apr 24 2009 5:12PM
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General_Ripper
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Compared to your EP pro's they will be stiffer and seeing that your only 145 this will increase the stiffness. (sorry for thread horring)
Apr 24 2009 5:13PM
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dirtylion27
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jj's or solomon czars
Apr 24 2009 5:13PM
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ski-swagga
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get the bibby's
Apr 24 2009 5:19PM
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Style+eeze
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do you really need more skis thomas? haha

but, even though they're not rockered, you should get bacons. they float like $$$$$$$$ even w/o rocker

and, i'm still pissed i brought my park skis when i was skiing at mission! soo much pow! haha

Apr 24 2009 6:33PM
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Balto
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the reason Czars, Bacons, and JJs aren't on my list(JJs are but not really if you know what i mean) is because my dad is getting 1 of those 3 next year and im mounting them up with dukes for AT
Apr 24 2009 7:00PM
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Style+eeze
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i thought your dad already got czars...

but, where do you at around mission? up chair 4 somewhere?
Apr 24 2009 7:10PM
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Balto
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he didnt buy them in time, im pushing JJs. and ill be touring at my cabin, and when im to lazy to hike out to bowl 4. and pre/late season
Apr 24 2009 7:18PM
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bigbuds
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Don't rule out Chopsticks. Everything you listed this ski has. Minimal rocker with a stiffer flex means no tip or tail flap. I also ride blends/hellbents and these might be my new favorite all-mountain ski.
Apr 24 2009 7:22PM
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Balto
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hated how chopsticks skied, centermounted pow ski=fail imo
Apr 24 2009 7:31PM
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Z_rob
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id say your quiver is already fine.
just ride the EP Pros whenever your skiing outside of the park.

but if you really wanna know a good one to complete the quiver id say the bibby pro out of all you listed. but it only comes in a 186. not a 191
Apr 24 2009 7:35PM
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Balto
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next years come in a 191 or 190 i forget, less rocker, camber under foot, and a good amount stiffer
Apr 24 2009 7:49PM
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bigbuds
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No worries... Just curious where your EP's are mounted if you don't like centermounted pow skis?

Apr 24 2009 7:55PM
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General_Ripper
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Bibbys, Benchetlers sound pretty dope, but I havent rode them.  I did ride my friends LL2's and they were pretty awsome and if you can get them cheap then more better.

theres a good review you should look at on TGR that has a bunch of god info on these skis and opinions of others that had rode them see if it helps:

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=147346
Apr 24 2009 7:57PM
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Balto
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-2
Apr 24 2009 8:04PM
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DBAKE
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bibbys
Apr 24 2009 8:20PM
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coolhandluke
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was still money last weekend:
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Apr 24 2009 8:23PM
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Balto
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why didnt you take me will? i would have been your pack mule!
Apr 24 2009 8:29PM
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Ben.
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blends?

bibbys are a good choice as well but rather wide for a "mid fat".

obsethed perhaps?
Apr 24 2009 8:41PM
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Balto
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looks like im getting LL2s! but i still have a pair of fks185s on there way that need to be mounted! so nock bibbys, JJs, and LL2s off the list. and add donnar parties, and ARGs
Apr 24 2009 8:44PM
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Ben.
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hahaha no clue about those two. although i know a kid that loves his ARGs
Apr 24 2009 8:50PM
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Z_rob
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well then it sounds like the perfect ski for those 6 inches or less days.

but is a 4th ski really necessary?
Apr 24 2009 9:02PM
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Balto
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well here is how my quiver is turning out:

EP Pro mounted with vist 614s
LL2 mounted with marker comp 20s
Afterbang mounted with tyrolia 15s

and now i need to decide if i want a 120 or so underfoot BC booter/charging ski or a 130+ under foot revers camber/sidecut pow only skis. which will be mounted with fks 185s
Apr 24 2009 9:07PM
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Ben.
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bc booter/charging? that seems like an odd combo. for me at least, i would rather have a softerish ski for booters, whereas charging i would want a stiff as fuck ski. however args seem like they would fall well under all of those categories. fat, rc/rs, and they seem like theyd be decent on booters, but also apparently fairly stiff
Apr 24 2009 9:11PM
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Balto
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yes a softer ski would make more sense for booters, but by stiff, i mean stiffer then bents, like up to JJ stiff. have you tried charging on EPs, it doesnt work well haha
Apr 24 2009 9:12PM
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Ben.
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hahah true. well, args are pretty stiff from what i hear. i believe stiffer than JJs. not like legend pro xxl stiff, but certainly not soft
Apr 24 2009 9:26PM
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ReetsAdeets
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What about Obsethed? Or alpha 1s or 2s?  the alphas have a bit of rocker, so theyll float alright in your "5in or less" and if you wanna spin some laps in the park, welll...thats what theyre for.  The obsethed, they also have a bit of rocker. not as much as the Hellbents or EP pros though, and are thinner.  I have seen some people riding park on them.  If you want all mountain stuff with park, alphas.  if you want all mountain and pow, obsethed.
Apr 24 2009 10:01PM
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chazz.
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eh not really if its rockered, plus if you are at -2 thats so close to center you are almost contradicting yourself, i have LL2's mounted true dead center and compared to the suggested lines for a traditional mount, thats the best place for them if youre gonna be going switch a lot. which i do. the rocker makes up for the untraditional mount.
Apr 24 2009 10:31PM
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Z_rob
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ya afterbangs are sweet but i have a rule of i dont buy skis in their first year of being made strictly because i have no idea how the durability is and how much ill like it and most people dont know much about it
Apr 24 2009 10:41PM
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zackblain
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I say get a balls out charging ski like a xxl, or huge dump. And then Donner party or praxis pows.
Apr 24 2009 11:44PM
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DBAKE
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dude zach i demoed them pm me if you want the details.
Apr 25 2009 12:04AM
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stevenc
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This post will probably get lost in the rest of the posts, but check out pmgear.com  their lhasa pows are very sick skis.  I took a pair out for a couple of runs and was blown away.  They are light, relitivly stiff, 112 under foot and with a tip rocker.  They are expensive however, but i have heard they stand behind their products 100 percent.  I am thinking about buying a pair to match up with my dukes for next season.
Apr 25 2009 2:50AM
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ReetsAdeets
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K2 Obsethed sound good for you

Apr 25 2009 12:10PM
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Balto
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dont like obseths, really dont like K2
Apr 25 2009 12:15PM
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ilikeplants
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Either Moment Donner Party or maybe Praxis Pows for the rc/rs
Apr 25 2009 2:21PM
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