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Screws pretruding through base of my skis?!

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KJones
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When a friend mounted my skis, he fucked them up and overtightened them, causing the screws to push the base of my new Elizabeths out. The bumps are pretty gnarly, and it really pisses me off cause I love these skis and I have only ridden them 4 days. He works at a shop, but he did them for me for free. I really don't know what do about it. I am going to try and talk to the shop tomorrow with my mom, but since I didn't pay for the service I don't think they will help. He mentioned hammering the bases back down, but that sounds super sketch to me. You can't stretch something out then hammer it out. The material that got pushed up would have to go someplace, plus once the right sized screws are put in, the holes would still be to deep. What should I do?
Jan 4 2009 3:12AM
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nkmo.
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Uh, over-tightening screws on bindings to the point they protrude is impossible. You should've checked your hardware when you got the bindings to make sure everything was the right length, which obviously they weren't. Don't ever give some dumb-ass shop tech the ability to fuck your shit up, know your gear down to the last fucking screw.
Jan 4 2009 3:37AM
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KJones
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I don't think you fully understand the situation. He is a good friend of mine. the heel piece hardware was at another buddys house, on the same street as the idiot that thrashed my skis. I told him to grab the hardware since he was going up there. He said he had it, then once I found the bumps while tuning and waxing today, he now says that he used marker hardware at the shop. So I know for a fact it wasn't the right hardware. But thats hardly my fault
Jan 4 2009 3:49AM
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nkmo.
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I see... I don't really know what you can do then man. Maybe try to base grind it a little, but you dont want to blow through the bases.

Just make sure you know whats getting drilled into your skis next time. It sucks that you got shafted like that, but like I said, don't even give someone the opportunity to mess your stuff up.
Jan 4 2009 3:54AM
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KJones
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The bumps are a lot lighter then the base color. They must be very close to pushing through the base. And Im not going to let this kid screw me out of 800 dollar skis. But thanks for the help
Jan 4 2009 3:58AM
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PC.
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I just started learning about ski repair at my local shop. I don't know if its even possible, but could the drills be pulled out, holes filled, drills shaved down and put back in? THen a base grind might work to flatten back down. I'm not sure at all, I don't work on mounting bindings. I see the problem is the epoxy like material not bonding with the base, or if the drills wont hold once put back in.

I'm just thinking out loud, sure alot of other guys know more about this than me.
Jan 4 2009 4:17AM
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KJones
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Thanks for the input, but I'm not sure it is possible to mount into a plug. Im not really disagreeing with you, just creating a think tank of sorts. If it was in-fact plugged, the remaining base under it would be so thin that I wouldn't really feel comfortable with it. Im not really trying to mygyver my 800 dollar skis, you know? thats why I don't want to do the hammering thing. And since I wasn't the one who fucked them up so bad, I don't think I should need to deal with that shit.
Jan 4 2009 4:28AM
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LC.
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Chill. It's totally fixable. Just ask him to do it.
Jan 4 2009 5:05AM
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AJizzle
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ur shit is totally fucked, once u dimple the base the skis are pretty much trash, compromises the core of the ski, work at a shop, if there is something that u can do for it i'm not aware of it.  had to ditch all of our Aura's this year because of their dimpling problems, couldn't mount any of them.
Jan 4 2009 7:33AM
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Triple_Strum
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Okay, here is what I would recommend, and hopefully your buddy can do this for you.

The area pushed through is made of p-tex, and the core should be fine for now; after all a screw keeps the material in place, pushing it horizontal to the direction drilled.  So, as someone above mentioned, I would remount them.  Plug the old holes.  Since the pertruded area is made of p-tex, someone with a bit of skill with a soldering iron should be able to partially melt the area down that is pertruded.  If I am not mistaken, if you do it fast enough(which is really fast), before the p-tex has time to set, cut it flat with a razor blade, OR cut out a great chunk of the area.  Then fix it like a core shot or deep gouge by replacing the missing p-tex and doing a solid base weld.  Then, you should have no problem with the base or the old holes. 

You might be able to fix it with the holes in the same place.  You just need to make sure when you are fixing the base that there is something in the core, like a screw, to provide a foundation for the other stuff.  Best of luck.  It is definitely fixable, and if the protrusion isn't as bad as it sounds, then it will be an easier fix than all of the above.  Good luck

Jan 4 2009 12:33PM
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KJones
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no one in that shop as a bit of skill when it comes to shit like that. I would be kind of worried about any of them going at the base of my skis with a razor blade and heat gun. But the protrusions are a bit over an 1/8th of an inch off the rest of the base. Thanks for all the help.
Jan 4 2009 1:37PM
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Slinger1x1
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Shop mounted my bindings 1.5cm forward instead of 1cm back. I had a friend set me up so that i only had to pay 20 instead of 50 (he didnt do the mount though). so i went back in, and was like... these were mounted wrong. the shop tech measures it, hes like... yep, thats 1.5cm forward, lemme go fix this.

Now a week before i went in there for a job interview (i went in late in the season, they had a lot of people but they would call if they needed me).  If i hadnt went in for that interview, i would have definitely asked for my money back (maybe make 30 bucks since i paid 20?) or ask for some kinda compensation since skis arent meant to be drilled into aimlessly. my friend told me the owner gives people free shit when they mess up, and i didnt get anything, but they did fix em
Jan 4 2009 2:27PM
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KJones
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I'm going down to the shop today to talk to them with my mom. Do you think that they will do anything since I didn't pay anything for the mount? At the very least I want them to tell me that it was the techs ( aka my buddy) fault.
Jan 4 2009 4:32PM
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doritos
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Yo, I know your situation sucks and I'd be pissed as hell too, but people have been giving you tons of good advice and trying to help you as best they can and you're being a little bitch about it. If you don't trust the shop with the soldering iron / razor blade idea, go to another fucking shop. Have your idiot buddy pay for it if it makes you feel better. But they're not gonna give you a new pair of skis and you don't have a lot of other options, that's the way it is, so stop being a debbie downer and do the best you can with what you've got. Jesus.
Jan 4 2009 4:47PM
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KJones
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Ok pal, why don't you bring your skis over to my house, let me dimple the fuck out of them, then once you realize it, I will tell you that there is in fact no dimples and that it is impossible for that to happen. Then we will see how you react. Did I tell all the people giving me great advice to shove it up there ass? I didn't think so. You admitted that you would be angry if your brand fucking new 800 dollar skis, your only pair of skis btw, were fucked up by a careless jackass. So unless your skis are fucked up in the same way or you know a possible solution, you should probably go back to whatever asshole you crawled out of and get the fuck out of my thread. Your the reason NS is a giant piece of shit website. / end rant.
Anyway, Thanks for all the help guys, no need for any help since im being a little bitch about it.
Jan 4 2009 4:56PM
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Slinger1x1
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yeah dude, no need to be a complete fucking asshole...

listen, like i said before, my friend got mine done for 20 bucks instead of 50. i brought them in, only brought the tech slip, not the receipt. the tech either recognized them or didnt even care, because he didnt ask for the tech slip.

so basically, if you bring em in, bring the the yellow slip that says like what you wanted, and tell them its messed up and you would like them redone. if they ask, that yellow slip is your proof that they mounted it and all
Jan 4 2009 5:06PM
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KJones
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the man problem is that there was no slip, nothing documenting what was done. Looking back I would have just tried to get money to pay for it to be done, just incase something like this happened. I think I am just going to talk to another shop to prove to this kid that it was his fault since he has been trying to deny it. Then I will find a shop with a good service record and one that I can trust and he will have to pay for the repairs. Thank you to everyone who posted mature, helpful responses. Major +k to you guys!
Jan 4 2009 5:27PM
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LC.
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Dude you totally are being a little bitch. First off it's a mistake that happens occasionally and is totally totally fixable. It's NOT a big deal. I've fixed things like this 3 or 4 times when people I work with have done it. Secondly it's your own fault for letting a friend do them for you under-the-table. Hand the skis back to him and ask nicely for him to fix them. If you are a complete dick to the manager then you might get some free shit from him but you'll be "that guy" forever on.
Jan 4 2009 6:03PM
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PC.
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At my shop, if your a dick to any of us, we'll get your shit done but won't go any extra. Just try and be nice and cool with whoever you talk to, and in all probability they'll try to help you out dude. The situation you got isn't un fixable. You're just over analyzing your problem.
Jan 4 2009 6:09PM
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KJones
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Clearly I was upset last night when I found the dimples, as you would be too. But I never said I was going to go bitch out the manager. Your making incorrect assumptions. I am asking the kid to pay to have someone else do the repairs because I am not giving him the chance to screw them up more. Clearly asking him to fix them now would be classified as a mistake from you. Let this die now because I have decided how I will resolve the issue and have thanked everyone for there insight. Throwing in your 2 cents about how I am being a bitch is pretty pointless and exactly why NS will always be laughed at by TGR. 
Jan 4 2009 6:15PM
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Slinger1x1
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they probably wont check for your claim slip (the yellow thing), but just be like, i dont have it, and tell them to ask the tech if he recognizes them (your friend) and he will say yes. good way to get back at him by making him look like a tool
Jan 4 2009 6:19PM
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doritos
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1. That's exactly what I said you should do.
2. I sympathized with you, I know how angry you must have been because I would've been just as pissed, but you didn't have a lot of options and anything anyone said wasn't good enough for you. I would've fucking listened to people instead of crying about how nothing anyone said could possibly work. That's called being a little bitch.
3. You sure didn't act very appreciative to all the people who posted "mature, helpful" responses before, you just shot them down. YOU are the reason NS is a shithole, don't ask for advice if you don't wanna listen to it. I just called you out and you're pissed about it.
4. Grow the fuck up.
Jan 4 2009 6:27PM
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japanada
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dimpled bases are an easy fix, if your shop is competent. First get the proper length screws. Second, heat the bases and lightly tap on them with a rubber mallet. Then stone grind them flat, and if you want to do a real good jub, throw them in the hot box. That will not only saturate your bases giving you mad speed, but the heat will also cause the dimples to go away.
Jan 4 2009 6:29PM
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Commonwealth
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this is the whole problem - I think he said everyone in the shop was an idiot and he wouldn't let them near his skis.

To the OP, I'd be angry as hell, too. As they say, hindsight is 20/20, and once things get settled out you'll be good to go. Good luck.
Jan 4 2009 6:40PM
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Reaps
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Your first post said "He is a good friend of mine" and now he is a "careless Jackass" ??? What happened with your bromance?

You are being such a little bitch. If you really cared about your 800 dollar skis, I think you could have paid $30 bucks to get them mounted correctly, instead of letting a friend/jackass do it at his leisure.

Second point, "the heel piece hardware was at another buddys house, on the same street as the idiot that thrashed my skis. I told him to grab the hardware since he was going up there"

Why are you having your friend run around, and be inconvenienced, to pick up hardware for your mount. You took no accountability in this and paid the price for it. Bitching at NSers, who are offering you their help and experiences in similar situations, is not the answer for helping you.

I hope you can speak to the shop manager and get your skis fixed, the manager should realize his employees shouldn't be mounting skis for their buddies as this sorta stuff can happen, they should cut you a break. Good Luck.
Jan 4 2009 6:57PM
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KJones
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I would call anyone who does that to my skis a careless idiot regardless if he is a friend of mine. He was too careless to put his finger on the base of the ski while he mounted them. And I didn't shoot people down, just said that I wasn't sure about those solutions. Simply stated my opinion. I forgot that no one is allowed to have an opinion on newschoolers. Since I couldn't show pictures of the dimples cause they wouldnt show up very well and people couldn't physically see the problems I needed to clearify what was happening. Could someone please just delete this thread cause it is turning into another flame war and NS doesn't need anymore of those. Telling me I am a little bitch, a complete stranger, isn't helping me out with my problem. And since you brought up the fact that I don't care enough about my 800 dollar skis to spend 30 on a mount. I don't have a job anymore and they didn't do me any good sitting in my garage without bindings so I did what I had to in a pinch. I don't need 14 year old girls critizing my decisions

Jan 4 2009 8:08PM
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LC.
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Dude, just talk to your friend and ask him to fix them. Why do you keep coming back with all this bullshit?
Jan 4 2009 8:19PM
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KJones
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The problem is taken care of. Thank you

Jan 4 2009 8:26PM
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bikerocker
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that's funny did your shop not get the volkl marker directive on the fact that you are supposed to get shorter screw for the auras?  and even if you didn't get the shorter screws, you can always grind the screw down.  no need to ditch all the skis.
Jan 4 2009 8:58PM
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P-trees
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Just lynch his dumb ass. Fucking n3wb.
Jan 4 2009 9:39PM
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KJones
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Your right, I should probably get out my lynchin' pole and handle this the down south way. Clever way to hide your infacuation with penis by the way. P-ness? very clever
Jan 4 2009 9:43PM
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doritos
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You're gettin' pretty defensive there, champ, no one is out to get you. We're just annoyed by your negativity.
Jan 5 2009 3:36AM
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AJizzle
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we dimpled a couple with shorter screws when trying to mount them back from boot center, company won't let us fuck with the hardware (grind etc.) corporate bullshit!!!!!
Jan 5 2009 4:15AM
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bikerocker
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that is lame.  but man you must have some burly chick skiers if they want them mounted back from recommended.
Jan 5 2009 10:02AM
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ryanwar6
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YES, follow what this man has to say. You can heat them with a heat gun until they are pliable enough to tap down with a mallet. Make sure you put in the correct hardware first though. The only difference in the hardware should be the length, so just unscrew and then screw back in.

Good luck,
Ryan
Jan 5 2009 2:20PM
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MidwestSteeze
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ohhh reallly? and what was the outcome?

Jan 5 2009 4:31PM
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KJones
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thats my buddy that messed them up. I was just joking around with him. But I am sorry for being negative
Jan 5 2009 10:20PM
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KJones
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Sorry to double post, but I must have missed this post earlier. I think that is what is going to end up happening. It sounds like a good idea and will bring them back to as good as new. Thanks!
Jan 5 2009 10:23PM
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Love_Wins.
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1) Your skis aren't $800, they go for $649 if you pay actual shop price.
2) "infacuation" is not a word
3) This all could've been avoided if you did what I do...mount your own skis.
4) Or, since I have a sneaking suspicion that you have no idea how to do that (in spite of assuring us all that every tech at your shop is a complete and total moron, incapable of mounting skis correctly and therefore making the implication that you have superior technical knowledge of the topic), paying for a mount, or using a shop that you didn't think was full of such idiots.
5)I hate to say it, but you are, in fact, being a little bitch.
dimpled bases are more common than you think, and are very easy to fix, don't throw a hissy-fit and try to take it to the shop for your friend's screw up. The fault falls on him and you.
Jan 6 2009 1:18AM
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KJones
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well since you insist on throwing in your input. I can mount them, but I am not going to try without a jig. I would say I can do it a hell of a lot better then the shop that has mounted more then a few pairs of skis backwards. Not park skis either, Prophet 130's and skis like that. Yeah I was pretty pissed when I found out there were dimples and I now know that they are a lot more common then I originally thought. I over reacted
Jan 6 2009 1:36AM
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Love_Wins.
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^Freehanding isn't that hard man, just measure it out (more than once, for the sake of not messing up), and do it.
Jan 6 2009 1:43AM
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AJizzle
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I sold 'em and tried to get her on the mantra, little bit burlier, but she liked the aura's graphics, so i got her on the longest pair we had, -1.5 i think was her request.
Jan 6 2009 2:49AM
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ryanwar6
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just wondering man, what shop do you go to? if you don't want to say it in the thread you can PM me. I am just in the area and wanted to know.
Jan 6 2009 3:00AM
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KJones
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Bothell Ski and Bike
Jan 7 2009 1:57PM
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ryanwar6
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Gotcha, thought something like that would probably be the case. Just making sure it wasn't one of the two shops that I am/have been associated with.
Jan 7 2009 2:02PM
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KJones
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If i may ask, what ones are those? I am looking for a good shop. Evo is pretty expensive so i am looking for a cheaper option
Jan 7 2009 4:48PM
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ryanwar6
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if you are just looking for mounting stuff, ProSki Service on Aurora can be good. They are cheaper, and are usually pretty good about mounts. I mount my own, but if I were to take my skis anywhere I would ALWAYS make sure to put a line on the ski. Shops aren't perfect, and I figure with all of the horror stories out there, the more I do the better.
Jan 7 2009 5:11PM
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MEGAZORD
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Dont cut anything.  Heat them up with a heatgun, then smach em with a hammer.  They will flatten out like they were never ever there.  Its really simple actually.
Jan 7 2009 5:26PM
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