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Terrorist Attacks in Mumbai, India

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KRASHED
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Scary shit, the news is just unfolding about what is going on. The scariest part is that this is sounding like it was fairly well coordinated.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/11/26/india.attacks/index.html
Nov 26 2008 3:45PM
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Alexander_Keith
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From what they can tell They're demanding British and American passports. God help them. There are sketchy reports of explosions at the the train station and airport as well.
Nov 26 2008 4:05PM
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DANETRON
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I don;t get why you are surprised that it was well organized?

RIP.

Nov 26 2008 4:15PM
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gmack24
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So awful, I always worried that something like this would happen in the U.S.  wouldn't be suprised if this has a copy cat effect.  what is wrong with people?
Nov 26 2008 4:15PM
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skier_boy26
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india has such a high rate of bombings (second to iraq if I'm n ot mistaken) that this doesn't come as any shock. Shit's fucked.
Nov 26 2008 4:17PM
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iggyskier
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watching the news on it now.  lots of crazy shit going down.  They are saying at least 9 different locations having been attacked.

The anti-terror chief has been killed.

Hostages in 2 five star hotels there.

I think they are saying 78 dead now but it will go up.

These type of situations make me so angry. 
Nov 26 2008 4:37PM
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C.R.E.A.M
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man this shit happens in africa and in other places every damn day, i dont understand why we never hear about those. i hate how the us only addresses the issue if its involving Americans. we as people should try to do a better job of addressing international problems before they become problems like this
Nov 26 2008 4:47PM
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[Toby]
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My dad is at the Taj at least once a month, and were not sure if his freinds were there or at the restraunt that they hang out at that was also struck. fuck hope those guys are ok.

Nov 26 2008 4:48PM
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iggyskier
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Oh I am definitely aware.  It all sucks.  The shit going down in Africa recently has been on my mind too.  The civil war going on in the congo, the ton of issues they are having with piracy, the drama in Zimbabwe.  It seems like most people in the US have no idea about any of them.  
Nov 26 2008 5:01PM
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king.tubby
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fuck fucking shitty fucking terrorist fucks. scum of the earth.
Nov 26 2008 5:10PM
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C.R.E.A.M
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yea i mean obviously u know or anyone who has like a custom yahoo mail account with AP news feeds, but im talking about the 16 year olds and older people who rely on tv as a source of news, they think that thats all thats happening (darfur for example, most people dont even know where that is) i really always encourage people to go read a non bias article or two. read bbc or what have you
Nov 26 2008 5:12PM
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iggyskier
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I know exactly what you mean and it is frustrating.

hell, There is a good portion of the US that doesn't even know where India is on a map.
Nov 26 2008 5:14PM
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C.R.E.A.M
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if u study the psychology of a terrorist you find that they are the people who are so desperate and have lost so much hope in the world they do what they do because they feel its the only thing left (taking their own lives) its very in vain and sad, sometimes u have to look at it from their eyes, true they are bad and evil and kill without reason, but they weren't born like that, they were in a shitty situation and someone preyed on them like a hawk and corrupted them at their weakest point.
its really a fascinating topic.

much luck to those in this tragedy.

Nov 26 2008 5:15PM
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DANETRON
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I agree wiuth everthing you said so far 100%.

Nov 26 2008 5:33PM
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CJHski
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shits intense

my aunt left India early this mornin, my family was freakin out because we could get not get ahold of her for awhile....she got home fine though
Nov 26 2008 6:06PM
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king.tubby
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i feel you on that, for sure. but there are plenty of poor, downtrodden, vulnerable, whatever, people in the world who do not turn to acts of terror. fuck terrorists.
Nov 26 2008 6:10PM
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JOP178
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Read Rainbow Six by Tom Clancy, such a good book.

Why isn't there something like that for real?
Nov 26 2008 6:20PM
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babujib
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word the whole congo situations fucked up i have solid ties with paul kagame in rwanda and apparently he fully backs nkunda who is going around with his group killing off people its some messed up shit
Nov 26 2008 6:25PM
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DANETRON
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You also have to look at the word "terrorist" as its used in each case.  There is something like 80+ definitions of the so there really isn't a set definition of what a terrorist is. In a way I guess you could call a terrorist some one who uses terror and other means that are not conventional to try and obtain thier goals, but in reality every government opperates in this kind of manner.

But I am not exacly the most inteligent person or on the ball about these kind of things and I tend to see things from multiple sides. So I am a typical dumbass American.

Nov 26 2008 6:34PM
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C.R.E.A.M
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you dont have to be poor to be in a sad state, or even sad. maybe hes the one that did all the preying on people? poor people? with his money? just a thought
Nov 26 2008 8:19PM
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GhostfaceKillah
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also the most opinionated :P

most of drews posts are well thought out and insightful, and he owns noobs like it's his job

I never knew much about Bombay until recently, and having looked into their situation a little more after these events, it truly looks like a bizarre place to live.
Nov 26 2008 8:41PM
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DrStrangelove
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this shit is so much more out of control than i think anyone here can grasp...

on a side note, CNN.com's photo gallery of this incident is downright fucked. there are pics of the train station with POOLS of blood and guts all over the place, as well as streaks on the floor where bodies have been dragged through them. plus there's this close-up photo of a woman lying in a hospital who CNN claims is "badly wounded." she's clearly dead. shes covered in bloody bandages and her body is completely limp but she's got restraints on her arms and legs to keep her from moving around when they were treating her, so that alone means she's dead. plus there's a goddamn intubation tube sticking out of her throat with nothing attached to the end of it, so obviously she's not breathing. they need to take that shit down right now, this is all so fucked up.
Nov 27 2008 12:42AM
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Von
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Stuff like this is always going to happen it's sad and wrong but many oppressed groups feel like it's the only way they can be heard or the only way they can do something about their problems.

The organization that is claiming resposiblity for the attacks is called the Deccan Muhajaden (i beleive). From what I know about India is that there is a sepratist minority in southern India who are the Deccan's, they have lived in southern India since before what are considered modern Indians (Aryans). Modern Deccan's are mostly muslim (though the Deccan people existed before Islam did, so they are recent converts) and their region is one of the poorest in India, thier people have faced centuries and centuries of discrimination at the hands of Hindus and British.

I'm not condoning their slaughter of innocent people but I'd bet that most Deccan's feel hopeless and face hard lives where they are discriminated against and oppressed, many just want autonomy and freedom.

Nov 27 2008 1:13AM
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popNfresh44
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my indian taxi driver showed me this in the paper last night, and it was making me feel really bad because i was hammered and i just felt so bad for those innocent people, especially when you hear how indian people like him felt about it.

fucking terrorists.
Nov 27 2008 10:55AM
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0ptions
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It's scary to think how easy this would be, I mean I'm not promoting it or anything, but think about it, 30 well armed people could go into a city and throw it into complete chaos. Our society runs on such a thin piece of... the word is escaping me right now... but I guess peace and order make sense, that it makes you think batman: the dark knight isn't so far fetched.
Nov 27 2008 2:27PM
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MikeWalsh
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On a side note to this very serious topic Id just like to say the first i heard of this is when the U.K paper i read had a bit in the sports section on how terrorism in india was going to upset our cricket tour. I love england.
Nov 27 2008 6:05PM
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al_britskiier
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Well cricket is important! Even though we were getting bent over by India.

No on a serious note, shit like this annoys me alot.  Fucking terrorists.  "picking out British and American tourists".  Wankers.

Nov 27 2008 6:50PM
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ax_murderer
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hows his dick taste?
Nov 27 2008 10:13PM
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Swirly999
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I have spent the past five months in India. I wasn't living in Mumbai but I spent a good amount of time in many of the places that were bombed which is pretty insane. I'm actually stuck in Bangkok now becuase protesters have taken over the main airports and its nearly impossible to find any other way to get out of the country.

The most interesting part about these attacks to me was that they specifically targeted foreigners. There have been sporadic bombings in India over the last several months but all of those have been religiously motivated attacks against Christians, Muslims and Hindu's. Directly attacking people becuase of their nationality and not religion is a huge change of tactic from what has happened in the past and represents a very different movement.
Nov 28 2008 1:09AM
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steve.o
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pirates are the bomb
Nov 28 2008 2:14AM
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ax_murderer
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hah remind me again why i'm bitter?
oh right you know the definition of terrorist.... good call. and remind me what the kid whose on your dicks contribution was?
Nov 28 2008 2:31AM
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Joshua.
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raping our churches, BURNING OUR WOMEN!!!!!!










WKUK
Nov 28 2008 3:29AM
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CassieM
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god its so scary-i stayed in the taj last spring
Nov 28 2008 9:47AM
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pmills
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I'm sure we'll see the response of this soon enough, but what really worries me is how will India respond to this. What sort of example did we set back in 2001? When attacked by terrorists, you attack the country you think they originated from... although the Deccan Mujahideen havn't been confirmed as an actual terrorist group the speculation is that it is an intranational faction, but that region is so volital, who knows what'll happen.
Nov 28 2008 10:25AM
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babujib
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I would just like to point out that since 9/11 there hasn't been a successful terrorist attack in the U.S. I by no means am backing Bush, but on 9/12 everyone wanted to get revenge on the terrorists. It's funny how easily the people flip flop.
Nov 28 2008 10:31AM
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pmills
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I just want to point out that 7 years later we still haven't found Bin Laden.

i also want to point out that 9-12 we had the whole world behind us, yet somehow that global suport was squandered by the president.

it's funny what you percieve to be a flipflop.

Nov 28 2008 11:58AM
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DrStrangelove
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_G._Boykin

^^ that guy is one of my professors at school...he was in command during Black Hawk Down and he's basically been a magnet for every American black ops program since Vietnam...that wiki profile doesnt even begin to tell the story.

Anyway, he's been on the inside of the intelligence business for the last 25 years, and he says that since 9/11 we've foiled 20-25 veeeeeeeery very credible and/or imminent attacks on US soil, none of which have been leaked to the press. I'd say that's pretty impressive, especially considering how undermanned our intelligence network is.
Nov 28 2008 1:02PM
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iggyskier
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I cannot believe there is still fighting going on.....
Nov 28 2008 1:02PM
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DrStrangelove
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Yah, they killed that rabbi and his wife at the jewish hostel, and they shot two americans to death...one of whom was a 13 y/o girl...theyre taking bodies out of the hotels right now, final tally is going to be more than 200 i bet...
Nov 28 2008 1:06PM
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iggyskier
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no doubt.  You gotta bet, too, that a lot of the wounded will die down the line from infection and such too. 
Nov 28 2008 1:15PM
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DrStrangelove
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ya it's a huge fucking mess...i cant resist checking cnn.com every 30 minutes or so while i work on this paper though, i get such a rush from breaking news
Nov 28 2008 1:18PM
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C.R.E.A.M
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The worst part is that the broadcasting companies are making more money, cause there viewer count goes up during crisis.
and then its black Friday, so a perfect turn of events for your walmart and target adds.

wouldn't it be nice if instead of running commercials during events like these they donated there time for the purpose of information?

gahh sometimes the news frustrates me

Good luck to those who were victim in this crisis.

R.I.P.

Nov 28 2008 1:36PM
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0ptions
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Thats sick, have you ever had him as a teacher? That movie was amazingly well done.
Nov 28 2008 2:31PM
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pmills
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i didn't read it but i saw this


Nov 28 2008 8:59PM
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DrStrangelove
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I guess I wasn't totally clear, but yah, I'm in his class right now...it's the sickest class I've ever taken. We have CIA agents and secret service guys and ex-Delta Force come tell us stories every week, his connections are ridic. Next week is gonna be the best by far, bonfire out by the river with a keg and like 10 special forces guys, ex intel spooks, international agents, and like 2 major generals. Stoked for sure. Oh and Eversmann is gonna be there, the sgt. from Black Hawk Down, he also went to our school and comes around to speak every now and then.
Nov 28 2008 9:20PM
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Quinny
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The only difference in trying to understand "how and why these terrorists came to be" should make is how we act to exterminate them. These "people" that choose to take such drastic actions are not rational human beings that can be reasoned with.
Nov 28 2008 9:23PM
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pmills
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the thought that we can even eliminate terrorists (or just irrational people) is just as irrational as the aforementioned.

We've got to figure out how we handle the situations that arise so that we are impacted as minimally as possible, and figure out how we can act as to minimize the possibility of the situations.
Nov 28 2008 9:30PM
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Quinny
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I am interested, only if it can be utilized in a way that is useful for getting rid of them.

In terms of social conditions, the US gives out more foreign aid than any other country. So what needs to change? Many of the terrorist organizations don't even want us to be meddling in their region at all, good or bad. Its more complicated than just improving social conditions.
Nov 28 2008 9:35PM
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Quinny
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Such as? I haven't really heard any real ideas other than being "nice" to them?
Nov 28 2008 9:40PM
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pmills
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Perhaps no individual country needs to be responsible for the aid or the policing of any other country.  A global initiative-- ie. UN and NATO (albeit more effective and more inclusive)-- would be a good start.

i know it's good on our face to say we're the leader of providing foreign aid, but i think it's fair to say that aid is never entirely altruistic of provided from one individual, and that in taking away the specific countries involvement you remove the specific targeting of said countries for being meddlesome [ ah memories of scooby-doo :) ]
Nov 28 2008 9:44PM
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Quinny
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There is no system that currently exists that would make that either effective or feasible. Part of the reason foreign aid isn't as effective as it could be is because some people are simply corrupt douchebags. All it takes is one person to fuck it up, whether it be here in the US, the UN, or in the target nation/region itself.
Nov 28 2008 9:52PM
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