450 on pretzle 630 out... can it progress more than this? I mean theres lip spins on but still ive seen a number of people Lip 450 pretzle 2 out.. Give it a few years and what is going to be new? lip 630 pretzle 630? both ways? that shits kind of getting borring. I think we need to start looking at what snowboarders are doing. Like think about this. On to an urban style setup, Switch on(tails over) - tail press - blind 2 out. Presses have been ignored for too long, its time to bring them back. They are hard as fuck and should get more props.