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Idea trend whores (short rant)

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wh@t
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seriously? what the fuck is this? im really getting sick of seeing kids talking about totally riding just like Pollard Mahre and Pep, and then saying 'oh and if you still ski park with poles yur just  a fag and you arent progressing skiing.' do yu honestly give a fuck what i do? go ahead. be cool and ride what yu want, but dont fucking think yur the shit because yu saw idea and yur "progressing" skiing. it doesnt matter, just ski and ride how yu want to. yur ruining the point of idea if yu trend whore the shit out of it. what i saw was skiing; just skiing. thats what made it different than other movies.

and ive seen the movie and i am a proud owner of a pair of new elizabeths. so dont say im just hating. sorry for the rant
Dec 12 2007 11:22AM
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pfutz
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maybe it isnt a trend, maybe people actually like it.

I know that my logic might be insane here at the NS fashion show, but you know, maybe people actually like doing the shit they do. 
Dec 16 2007 2:09AM
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tride
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Candide
Tanner
Cusson
Auclair
Szocs
Douglas
Bushfield
McDonnell
Boronowski
Abma
Decesare
Raps
Dorion
Regnier
Atkinson
Schller
Bibby
Burke
Dybvig
Holmes
Sutherland
Dumont
Riddle
Etc
Etc

These guys are the ones who "spawned freeskiing".  They all have something in common, and it sure as HELL isn't freakin' snowblading.  They all came from a freestyle moguls upbringing.

Decesare's "state of mind", "degenerates", and "13" were completely full of mogul skiers, not snowbladers.  

Just because a FEW snowbladers (Pollard and Nick) crossed over (later), sure doesn't mean that snowblading was responsible for freeskiing, not even close.  
Dec 16 2007 2:15AM
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liaosongfang
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sorry, no.  go to school.
Dec 16 2007 2:22AM
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pfutz
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go ahead and elaborate on how I am wrong, I would love to know why. 
Dec 16 2007 2:38AM
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pfutz
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according to american heritage:

Something of no intrinsic remedial value that is used to appease or reassure another.

in this case poles serve no purpose in the application he was referring to, and exist only to assure the user of his or her balance when in reality they can likely balance fine without them. 


Dec 16 2007 2:40AM
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mtdg311
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Doesn't worrying about other's people style and why they do what they do, and how you think that's wrong because it's not "cool" make you a trend whore?
Dec 16 2007 2:56AM
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XtRemE11
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ha dumont was hating on people with no poles, what a fag, he is in love with himself, he is just a cocky asshole.
Dec 16 2007 3:13AM
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drewishish
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wait back up. great divide MT? fuckin small world man. shitties hill in MT? probably. park is getting good though!
Dec 16 2007 3:29AM
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michael_bc
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Or you can just move your weight and hands forward and not ski backseat.

Poles are from a time when skis were straight and thin. Now that skis are shaped, superfat, and sometimes even rockered, you can also surf the snow and then you don't need poles.

Again..

Ever seen a snowboarder needing a pole plant?
Ever seen a waterskier needing a pole plant?

Worse: they get in the way when you ride switch, do butters, spin off stuff, etc.. Worse: with your hands free it's much easier to navigate through bushes and narrow tree lines. Those who know the bamboo in Argentina know what I'm talking about. Free your hands free your mind.


Either way it's good to mix it up, ski with and without poles, snowboard from time to time, stay creative, etc..
Dec 16 2007 4:28AM
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televback1
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ya dude i lerned how to ski ther when i was 2 my dad was a part time patrol
Dec 16 2007 9:33AM
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scandy101
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yeah dumont is pretty gay, its a good thing he cant suck his own dick cause if he could he would have never had the chance to ski cause he would be inside "loving" himself all day.
and out of every type of person i would never expect a pro to hate on someone doing what they want and having fun. i guess if its not competition or training for competitions he probably doesnt like it.
Dec 17 2007 12:09AM
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brenker
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sometimes i ski without pants
Dec 17 2007 2:25AM
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mmallender.
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I think some of you gies are missing the point, yes he is hating on no poles and what not, but I think he is pointing more towards the fact that he hates how some people (some not all) dress, ride, act, the way they see pros dress, ride, act, because they're pros and obviously pros are about as cool as it gets lol. Also not that pros don't have some reason towards the way they do things, but just because pros do it does not at all mean that everyone should do it because they're pros, for example, the way Gary Scheffield waves his bat before he swings(if you dont know what im talking about watch this http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-680763337950331063&q=gary sheffield swing&total=1&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0) , if you asked anyone who knows anything about the fundamentals of swinging a baseball bat, you would find out that trying to do that could be one of the worst things you can do if you hope to improve your swing. In short what is right for some is not right for others, and just because a pro does it doesn't mean you should do it just because they do.
Dec 17 2007 3:14AM
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SirFryanator
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If people want to do it, have fun with it. If you are amazing at real skiing, you should be able to ski anything without poles. They do help with the angle/radius of the turn and such, but if poles weren't invented I'm sure pros would adapt and still would be amazing at skiing nevertheless. I still do drills and such to keep myself away from depending on poles, although I have to admit I still feel uncomfortable without them. Personally, I'd have much more fun riding BC with poles but if I were as good as the Idea crew, or any other person who can ski the BC without poles, then I would probably drop them for some runs when I felt like it, just to play around in the BC and try new shit. I'm not nearly at that level yet though, so I'm going to stick with my poles and not be wobbly as fuck in difficult terrain.
Dec 17 2007 3:17AM
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tride
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Ever seen a downhill racer needing to poleplant when hauling ass down the Hannenkahm at Kitzbuel? Of course not, because they don't poleplant in downhill.  However they still use poles when they race because they are better, faster, and more balanced by using them.  If you made Bode ski a downhill course without poles he would still get down, but he would be slightly slower, because he would be that much less balanced in the tricky spots.  Even the lightest drag of a pole on the snow beside you is a micro-balance adjustment that is not available to you without poles.

There's no question that Andy and the boys can shred some sweet stuff without poles, but you won't see them taking a Hugo Harrison line without poles.

Take away Dale Begg-Smith's poles, and he'll still get down the world cup mogul course, but not as well as does with poles.  Dumont and Tanner could still do a sick pipe run without poles, but not as good as they can with poles.

You can ski down the hill with your boots completely undone, and as a training exercise it will help develop balance, co-ordination etc.  However that doesn't mean that it is better than skiing with your boots done up.  We don't "need" to buckle our boots, we're just better skiers when we do. 

As a training and skill development exercise, skiing without poles is good for your skiing, because it takes away some of your ability to re-adjust your balance and will force you to be more balanced overall.  (Same goes for skiing with your boots undone.)  However when you are in a position when you want to be able to ski your absolute best, using poles is a definite advantage.

I have nothing against anyone who prefers to ski without poles, do what you want and enjoy yourself. However, the reality is, not using poles is a (slight) handicap to your overall skiing ability.  Of course we don't "need" to use poles, we're just better overall skiers when we do. 
Dec 17 2007 3:37AM
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zerospinskier
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I do ugly hand drags off random stuff. Mainly cuz I think they're funny and dumb, but I don't take life seriously so I do them for fun. If you saw me do one you would you get your panties in a bunch cuz you'd think I'm serious and ruining the sport? Moral of the post: who cares what other people do? You'll kill yourself if you spend time worrying about what other people do. Just go have fun, lifes short. (I knod that sounds retarded but I recently was in a bad car accident and came out unhurt so I'm livin it up everyday).

Dec 17 2007 3:38AM
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Breeze-J
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Word
Dec 17 2007 4:26AM
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Casey
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I agree with this, but conversely, if you want to focus on skiing your best on rails, in the park, doing butters, getting solid grabs, etc. then no poles is something that people find to be better for that.
Dec 17 2007 9:36PM
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mysterymanjgj
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yuuuuuuuuuuuuu...soulja boy tell em
Dec 18 2007 12:44AM
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stingfire
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also i believe the rule is at least three pieces of equipment have to go around the gate.  if Bode did it without poles, he'd get a shitload of time penalties
Dec 18 2007 12:55AM
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michael_bc
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Exactly.

They add balance.

In freeskiing this means people wave their poles around (which you hardly notice cuz they are so thin) rather than their arms. No poles is harder, especially harder to be steezy, but it forces you to ski without mistakes and inevitably to flail less in the end.
Dec 18 2007 3:24AM
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FJibber
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The movie pretty muched sucked anyway...
Dec 18 2007 3:42AM
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tride
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Exactly indeed.  

As you say, they add balance, so no poles is harder.  Unbuckling your boots is also harder, as is skiing on one ski.

All of the above practices are good training exercises that can help improve your skiing. However, while they are good training aids, none of the above practices are the most effective way to ski at your highest level of performance.

And as I said, if that's how you prefer to ski, then right on, enjoy yourself. I have no problem with it. 
Dec 18 2007 3:53AM
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DietCoke
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to be honest the fact that you misspelled every example of the second person stance in that rant completely distracted me from any point you may have been capable of making at the time.  Not the mention the fact that if you used the second person that often, you are just making an accusatory rant, not anything that might actually offer insight to anyone of an intelligence higher than an acorn.  
Dec 18 2007 3:54AM
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Mr.Bishop
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People are taking this whole no poles thing WAY too seriously.   I was not about the no poles thing, but wehn I saw how many people were doing it I figured I'd jump on the bandwagon too.   ;) 

Its fun to ride without poles.   Its also fun to ride with poles.  

There's too many arguments talking about the merits or philosophy of both things, but jesus christ who the fuck cares?    I mean is it really that offensive to some if skiers put down their poles?   How does that ruin the sport? 

To those putting down your poles, realise that we're all jumping on a trend set by the Idea crew.   No need to lecture everyone on the benefits of not using poles. 

Just go with your gut and do what feels right!

Diversity=good.


Dec 18 2007 10:23AM
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matthasaurusrex
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the fact that there is a 3 page in depth thread on poles is why skiers are lame



Dec 18 2007 3:38PM
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brenker
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once i skied with two 6 irons as poles and and and i did a 360

Dec 18 2007 4:04PM
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scientist
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I ski with 2 sapling pine trees. Tree planting has never been so fun or trendy!
Dec 18 2007 4:33PM
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THEDICKBUTCHER
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HAHAHA grow up.
Dec 18 2007 5:54PM
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jerad
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well, i ski without poles.

and, i haven't seen Idea.

i think skiing without poles is more fun.

i'm starting a new trend though - not paying $30 for a 1 hour ski movie.

you should try it!
Dec 18 2007 7:24PM
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spliff.Life
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Jan 16 2008 2:18PM
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XtRemE11
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or not paying 30 dollars for two sticks that serve no purpose other than to keep you busy by keeping them out of the way all the time. its wierd how people use poles but they only try to keep them out of the way as much as possible, all they are doing is dangling off your arms, its pretty stupid that we still use them actually.
Jan 16 2008 2:34PM
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Dustin.
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It's fun.  That's why.

Your stupid. 

I don't recall being called a fag for using poles.

This thread is pointless.
Jan 16 2008 2:35PM
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powderdrunkie
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you're jealous.

loose your poles and give it a shot fuck face
Jan 16 2008 2:47PM
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sam_vicious
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*you
*your
Jan 16 2008 2:52PM
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powderdrunkie
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"Skiing:
skiing is freedom of expression, so let people do whatever the fuck they want."

thats fuckin funnny i got that right out of your profile....WEIRD
Jan 16 2008 3:01PM
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skiblandford
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poser

Jan 16 2008 3:06PM
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GNARcoleptic
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am i the only one that didnt think idea was very good? i mean seriously i would watch realtime or enjoy over idea hands down
Jan 16 2008 6:12PM
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Good_Deed
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I like to watch idea before a pow day, it gets me all excited to go rip some lines and drop some pillows
Jan 16 2008 6:32PM
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attitashfreestyle29
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wa wa wee wa wa
Jan 16 2008 8:32PM
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shawnm1260
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omg have you seen idea bro?
Jan 16 2008 11:19PM
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BrownEyeIn
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IDEA TREND WHORES

TIGHT PANTS TREND WHORES

OAKLEY TREND WHORES

ONE PIECE TREND WHORES

ARMADA TREND WHORES

LINE TREND WHORES

PENIS TOQUE TREND WHORES
Jan 17 2008 1:13AM
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notomatoplz
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you look better skiing with poles IMO
Jan 17 2008 1:20PM
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