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Building that Perfect BC Booter

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MadSteezin
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Does anybody have some tips on building that perfect BC booter?
Dec 5 2007 8:00PM
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GFProd.
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get in the BC, and then build the perfect booter
Dec 5 2007 8:02PM
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currentwestman
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we're not all geniuses! please simplify that
Dec 5 2007 8:04PM
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Matty_C
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theres loads of threads already but anyway:

1] choosing spot- seems obvious but make sure in run gives enough speed to clear the gap/flat. also worth skiing slope parallel to landing to check stability as landings can slide

2] the more diggers the merrier. building the walls with blocks is essential and fill in the middle with whatever. pack it down in layers (walk on it) to make sure its fully compacted before hitting it.

to be honest the rest is common sense. enjoy
Dec 5 2007 8:04PM
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MadSteezin
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walk on it?
Dec 5 2007 8:08PM
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hollygrove
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with your skies on, yes. packs it down.
also, if its one of your first ones,you will need 10x's more snow that you'd think.
Dec 5 2007 8:15PM
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MadSteezin
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I thought he mean't literally walk on it. I've made plenty of jumps before, but I just wanna perfect them and make them as good as the pros have.
Dec 5 2007 8:21PM
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[~_~]
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1) find a spot that is a good distance from the landing.

2) build the frame

3) fill it in

4) sculpt the lip so that the trajectory path will merge smoothly with the angle of your landing

5) have the most fun you will ever have while skiing
Dec 5 2007 8:39PM
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hollygrove
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Really, all the pro's do that's special is they make it look pretty.
They choose their shooting angle and back it so it doesn't look like they dug infront of the jump. They sculpt and smoothen the sides, their shit has to be pretty.
Dec 5 2007 8:42PM
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sktrkdo7
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how do they get those perfect blocks?
Dec 5 2007 9:11PM
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.scott.
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they use the shovel edge or you can make a saw type tool with any straight metal edge.  kinda like a machete that you don't sharpen.
Dec 5 2007 9:13PM
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T.Spliff
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when the snow has compacted enough that it will hold together or it has been warm and the snow is wet.  it would be really hard to build a good booter with blocks with fresh pow pow unless you dig deep and get the compacted shit
Dec 5 2007 9:14PM
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snarky
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blocks 2 over 1, brick style.
Dec 5 2007 9:16PM
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SirFryanator
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how wide should the jump be in proportion to the height?
Dec 5 2007 9:20PM
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IrideWI
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skiing magazine did an article on this in the most recent issue...
Dec 5 2007 9:23PM
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snocompton
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A 5ft high wedge should be around 8-10 feet in length and about 4 ft wide. 
Dec 5 2007 9:31PM
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MadSteezin
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Matt, most jumps should be 4 - 6ft wide.
Dec 5 2007 9:32PM
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SirFryanator
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yeah I mean but is there like a formula...like twice as wide as it is tall?
Dec 5 2007 9:41PM
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ElliottP
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xaktlee, and use blocks. its easiest.
Dec 5 2007 9:45PM
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MadSteezin
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Your making it sound like a science project.
Dec 5 2007 9:46PM
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SirFryanator
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well we do want to make this booter for the session perfect...so yeah it will be kind of like a project.
Dec 5 2007 9:49PM
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P3TER
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u dont really need anything wider than 6 feet cuz if u pack it down properly and if ur stance off jumps is less than 6 feet wide (lol) there would be no difference between a 6 foot wide and a 10000 foot wide jump. snowboarders might needwider to carve off of though..........

Dec 5 2007 9:51PM
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ktollefson_1080
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1. scope your spot.
2. get all ur buds and there boards skis ect.
3. stack all your boards and skis against the back up the jump near the lip. start cutting cubes of snow with ur shovels if you can and start  stacking for the base of the jump.
4. if not enough shovels for everyone to start throwing snow get someone to start cutting the runway so you can get speed. and doing speed checks so the shovelers can see what it will look like.
5. decide if you want a BOOSTY jump or a mellow LONG jump. (this will depend on how far away your landing is.
6. look at differnet views to make sure the jump is in good dimensions from all certain angles. make the tranny of the jump smooth so it will not fuck up ur tricks so running the shovel across it, it should be like a park jump somewhat. get ur skis on and start packing it
7. after packing make the final critiques like the lip and what not, any more shaping.
8. by now speed should be figured out and the runway will be set.
9. hit that.
Dec 5 2007 9:53PM
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Cloud.
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OMG hagard.. ur so dumb! fucking shit.. they make them pretty beacasue they are PROFESSIONALS.. hats why they are sponcerd..they can make jumps better than anyone!
Dec 5 2007 9:56PM
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Casey
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i think probly the worst thing you can do is build a jump that you can't get enough speed for. so watch out. otherwise, you're just building a wedge out of snow. but, make sure the transition from the inrun to the jump is consistent, i think the last thing to remember is that, if you're going to build a 25 foot jump don't bother, its pow, its soft, and you're most likely going to work on it for several hours, so don't waste your time making a small crappy jump, build it big.
Dec 5 2007 10:15PM
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J.W.
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hell ya, # 5 is guaranteed
Dec 5 2007 10:19PM
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R.Fahey
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yeah.  Building it with blocks makes it way aesthetically pleasing, and a good, east way to build it. 
Dec 5 2007 10:20PM
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ShadyHillGroup
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one more thing i might add is to be careful, the best landings can also be in very avalanche prone areas, but yeah, block out the frame, fill with snow, shape the lip, then have some fun, BC booter in a nut shell
Dec 5 2007 10:54PM
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Hctiws_iks
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location
location
location
snow quality
jump angle
Dec 5 2007 10:55PM
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snowboardersrule
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make sure yo u stomp out the inrun well too. if its warm out, you may need to salt it all too. 
Dec 5 2007 11:28PM
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footcrunk
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A jump doesnt have to be a certain height, it all depends on the location.

But you should always make the jupm as wide as possible even if its just a 2 foot jupm off a step down, wide jumps are just better all around because they allow for more variation in the tricks you do. height doesnt matter so much
Dec 6 2007 2:18AM
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AlexMartini
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imagine a nice park jump, make it ten feet thinner and use the land to take up the bulk of the mass of the jump, use alot of blocks
Dec 6 2007 2:24AM
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estaked
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ha ha this is pretty funny
maybe you guys should
get out there and expirement
it's really the only way you
will learn how to do it.




/no homo
Dec 6 2007 2:26AM
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TechnoPotamus
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i have never experienced one, i gotta get on that
Dec 6 2007 3:24AM
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skier_boy26
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Make sure the site is good: plenty of room for an inrun, sufficient space for a jump with plenty of space for a reasonable transition, and a good, STEEP landing (depending on the jump at least).

Have plenty of people, and even still, be prepared to spend a lot of fucking time building it for it to be "perfect." A lot of people skimp on this, getting impatient after like an hour or some lame shit, and as a result, their jumps are pretty mediocre. Those fresh booters you might see in movies take a good long while to build. Really keep that in mind.

Utilize the more compressed and solid layers deeper down for blocks and shit. You can use skis/boards to create a fence like thing as a frame for the jump. It kind of works, but if you want it to be large and stuff, it isn't very sufficient at times.

Make sure you analyze it well; far too often, the jump looks great up close while you're building it, but if you step back enough or something, the jump might resemble a wall or something. It should be pretty smooth, rather than downward inrun to upward kick.

Spend plenty of time on a good inrun if you want the jump to be worthy of a myriad of tricks and goodness.

Pack it down extremely well, because if it breaks, its a real big hassle to try to fix it.

Have fun with it
Dec 6 2007 3:56AM
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Matty_C
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yeah, so all the good advice on jump building has been given but two very important points need to be stressed.

1) On a pow day, you must find hard snow to make the wall blocks. This either means digging down into the snowpack or searching around to find a patch that is wind blown or whatever. You can't build good walls outta powder- it doesn't stack vertically and it will collapse...

2) TAKE ALL APPROPRIATE AVALANCHE PRECAUTIONS!!! Many people don't think about avvies on a 50m kicker landing but often they are prime trigger point i.e. 35 degree slope on convexities(rollovers), cornices etc. You really can't ignore this danger- test the slope prior to hitting it and wear transceivers when you do hit it (and know how to use them. My friend Leo was buried for 45 mins when the landing slid on him (the kicker was 100m from the piste) and he wasn't wearing a beeper. We found him with probes and he was unconscious and hypothermic. If you don't believe it could happen to you, watch this vid- he wasn't wearing a beeper either... (1:50) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-2t0GlWosw

DON'T LET THAT BE YOU, K?

3) Have fun!

Dec 6 2007 5:10AM
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