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Shop wouldn't adjust my din for me

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Rippy087
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I just thought it was really freakin weird.  I brought my skis in and got them mounted at the shop and when I picked them up the din was set at 10.  I asked the tech to lower the din to 8 and he just said "I'm sorry but we can't do that, it's a liability issue".  Oh really?  So I just asked the guy for a screwdriver and adjusted it myself.  Just thought that was really weird.

Nov 27 2007 9:40PM
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fouldsys
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yup. similar thing happen round here.
Nov 27 2007 9:41PM
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Silence
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what height/weight/bsl/level of skier are you??
Nov 27 2007 9:42PM
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MadSteezin
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Your crying about something that can be easily changed...
Nov 27 2007 9:43PM
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396222687862
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someone didn't read.....
Nov 27 2007 9:45PM
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Rippy087
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uhhhh i'm not crying about anything, i already changed it myself at the shop
Nov 27 2007 9:45PM
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SirFryanator
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It's true, liability. Some laws are just stupid but they do protect the shop from people who have no idea what they're talking about or doing.
Nov 27 2007 9:46PM
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invaderskier36
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exactly
Nov 27 2007 9:50PM
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invaderskier36
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?
Nov 27 2007 9:52PM
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Rippy087
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6'0'', 180lbs, 320mm, expert.  but these are new bindings and I am just going to play it safe and adjust after the first day
Nov 27 2007 9:55PM
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Silence
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I thought 10 sounded high from a shop - I dont know what bindings you have but according to a rossi chart you should be set at 8.5.

Looks like the tech has gone one row too far down on the chart
Nov 27 2007 10:12PM
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SteezePatrol
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i can see a shop not wanting to put your dins higher than ten, but why not lower? it just makes it "safer"

Nov 27 2007 10:17PM
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Rippy087
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that's what i thought, i wanted him to put it down not up
Nov 27 2007 10:22PM
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rhinoceross
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putting your din lower doesnt mean its going to be safer though right, like if your riding and you hit a bump, if your dins are set to two, your gunna pop out and like cheese grater your face
Nov 27 2007 10:41PM
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SirFryanator
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it's better than rupturing a tendon in your ankle or blowing out your knee.
Nov 27 2007 10:41PM
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cbl718
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yeah but hes talking about hitting a bump your not gonna tear a tendon from hitting a bump. its dangerous to go to high or too low.
Nov 27 2007 11:11PM
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SirFryanator
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A cut is not dangerous. A bruise for a day or two is not dangerous. A torn ACL or meniscus is dangerous.
Then again, sliding on your face is not fun either.
Nov 27 2007 11:13PM
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Silence
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its probably more dangerous to go too high. but you're right.
Nov 27 2007 11:13PM
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KRAMPUSNTROLLZ
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Yeah it is wierd both on the fact that he wouldn't lower it and that he gave you the screw driver to adjust it.  But if you were to get a injury related to bindings then you could sue them for not putting your bindings at the correct mark referenced by the DIN chart.

Nov 27 2007 11:18PM
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snowboardersrule
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that liabiltiy he was talking about means that only he can touch the bindings and he must follow the binding manufacturers's specs for weight, height, skier type, sole length. if you want it lower you would've had to mark yourself as intermediate instead of expert. 
Nov 27 2007 11:24PM
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Silence
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^ i believe he should never have been at 10 in the first place, the shop tech got the chart wrong. Theres no way that someone with is specs should be on 10 according to a chart..

Granted i don't know what bindings they are and i checked a Rossi chart, but i can't see that there could be so much variance among binding comapnies.
Nov 27 2007 11:32PM
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Rippy087
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Dynastar bindings, but I'm pretty sure they were set at 10 when I bought them, so they didn't even change anything.
Nov 27 2007 11:47PM
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Treestman
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dynastar bindings? do u mean look?
Nov 27 2007 11:57PM
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Rippy087
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whatever you want to call them.  Dynastar px14ti's

These for reference:
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Nov 28 2007 12:00AM
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Silence
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Well man dynastar=rossi=look so in that case if you told the shop the specs you wrote in this thread (i.e 6'0'', 180lbs, 320mm, expert/type 3), you DEFINITELY shouldn't be on 10..you should be set at 8.5

Check it out.
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I know people make mistakes but your shop guy needs to pay more attention to the chart. As for refusing to turn it down, thats stupid as you can elect to classify yourself as a type 2 or 1 skier and they can legally reduce the setting.
Nov 28 2007 12:04AM
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___ASP___
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according to my rossi and salomon charts at work you should be 8.5
Nov 28 2007 12:10AM
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snowboardersrule
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yeah, i would assume the shop bro got it wrong
Nov 28 2007 12:54AM
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C_Ewart
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Just a reminder to everybody,  "Din" is not the correct term anymore... It's actually non-existent and shouldn't ever be used for legal issues.   The correct term is actually "Retention Settings"


But yeah,  your shop guy fucked up and I wouldn't go back there.  But legally no shop is allowed to change the settings to anything different from what the charts say.   They actually shouldn't even let you borrow the posidriver.


Nov 28 2007 12:58AM
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calebski.
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yeah thats what i thought guess i was wrong
Nov 28 2007 12:59AM
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C_Ewart
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No Matter what company makes the chart,  all of them are the same. 
Nov 28 2007 1:07AM
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kyle_w
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fuck that shit. im 6'0"  140 pounds and i have mine on 10 and they still pop off
Nov 28 2007 1:19AM
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C_Ewart
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You must have either shitty boots or salomon bindings then. 

hehe.
Nov 28 2007 1:32AM
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Skipig25
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a lot of shops aren't allowed to set DIN's higher than 7, for liability, even if you are 300 lbs. So even though you wanted them lower, you would have to do it yourself, because it's above 7. Just how it goes
Nov 28 2007 2:17AM
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edmonton_skier
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hahaha
Nov 28 2007 3:27AM
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Casey
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not necessarily though. i mean yeah it seems like they always are lowballing people's din's, but its more about just following the chart no matter what to avoid getting sued. It seems ridiculous to me that a human being isn't expected to be smart enough to set their own din, and could rightfully blame someone else for their own easily preventable stupidity.
Nov 28 2007 3:54AM
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Holte
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Rotating out of a toepiece while turning in a no-fall zone is dangerous, just as landing a high rotation wrong with skis unconditionally attached is dangerous. There are extremes on both ends.
Nov 28 2007 4:07AM
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ryan.c
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i dont get how people are saying putting your bindings lower is safer. no its not. bindings either releasing or not releasing when they rnt supposed to isnt safe on either side. you need it to be in the small range of releasing when necessary. and i agree that you shouldnt have been that high in the first place. most shops dont go over like 8. one thing i suggest to people is to click into ur bindings and stand there and lean forward as far as you can. if u can go basically all the way down then ur bindings are good or maybe too high. that helps with them releasing when you butter when they rnt supposed too. but if u are skiing then just adjust them a little higher if them keep coming off. but i think u have em about right now dependin on how hard you ski
Nov 28 2007 10:22AM
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Dan.
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remember kids, din size = dick size
Nov 28 2007 10:50AM
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landonn
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hahaha.
Nov 28 2007 11:08AM
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defcutskier
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i always thought: din size x 10 = your weight you can learn something new everyday :)
Nov 28 2007 11:31AM
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*freeskierpj*
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The same type of thing happens for me...I get my skis back at a 4 or so because I weigh about 130 pounds and there is some law that makes it so that they need to put it on a "safe" setting for you and you can adjust it later at your own risk...it's lame but it is what it is...

Nov 28 2007 11:41AM
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skiminnesota
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are the din settings different for different manufactures???        

could  someone post up a  pdf  din chart for me to download  and save ,,  thanks ..
Nov 28 2007 12:19PM
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Download-My-Apps
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yes, very close to the but salomon binding have differnt chart to look bindings.

ANd they couldn't change it because they set it up according to the information you provided them height, boots size, weight and skiing ability. I know where I used to work if someone wanted to change their din not according to the chart they would have to sign a waiver.
Nov 28 2007 12:37PM
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skiminnesota
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hey thanks for the info.. is salomon the only one with a different chart?

and the reason i would like so much info is you could say i have a mini rental shop for my friends( about 5 pair of skis ranging in size)    so when they go skiing they dont have to rent... i have a din chart that i use but i wanted to make sure it is accurate.. and i dont "kill" my friends :)
Nov 28 2007 12:43PM
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Dan.
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its actually a combination of your weight, sole length, and skier type
Nov 28 2007 1:06PM
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Beans13
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Thats sucks dude
At the shop that I work at we'll ajust it to anything- as long as you sign a slip that you understnd that you can be killed or some shit
Nov 28 2007 4:22PM
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C_Ewart
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Retention Settings arent actually the final thing that someone should go by. 

The last step in Mounting bindings or adjusting them to certain boots is called an A.S.T.M. test.  You use an arm-like mechanism and pull and twist your boot out of the bindings,  this will give you a reading in how many Newton meters of force are being applied to the boot for the binding to release.  On the same chart, there is a range of NM that it should fall in.   This will test the amount of Forward pressure on the heal, AND the twisting on the boot in the binding, if you're not in that range... there are situations where you can adjust the retention settings on the binding to fall in that range.  

So it's very possible that the shop guy didn't screw up, he was just doing is job very well.    Your binging could have been releasing low on the twist or heel tests and he had to turn it up.
Nov 28 2007 5:25PM
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Klick_2_klaim
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sue em...
Nov 28 2007 5:40PM
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Tucks
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do it yourself soo easy
Nov 28 2007 5:50PM
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Blurst
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this is exactly what  i was thinking how is making it safer for you a liability issue?
Nov 28 2007 6:01PM
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dexha2
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someone knows what they're talking about
Nov 28 2007 6:02PM
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