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Potential 360 problem.

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Canuker
Posts: 4730 - Karma: 165

Last year was my first season skiing and i never got around to doing 360's( i got boxes, 180's, some grabs etc) since it started snowing lately i built a little 2 1/2' jump and tried to do 360's out of the 4 or 5 i tried i landed one of them, all the others were 270's.

My problem is that im worried once i egt to actuall park jumps( my local hill shoulfdhave there park up in a week or so) im worried that i will screw up because i always here people saying "spot your landing" but when i do spins i think i close my eyes or something because i never really remember being in the air when i do 180's or the 270's i was doing the other day. will this be a big problem??

Nov 27 2007 3:49PM
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DANETRON
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youll gwet better the more you practice

Nov 27 2007 3:51PM
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396222687862
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it really is all about spotting. i never used to, started this year and it helps so much. just keep your eyes open, keep looking over your shoulder and look hard for the landing. practice makes perfect
Nov 27 2007 3:52PM
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Holte
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spotting you landing just means "have air sense." Sorta know your position in the air. It'll come with time.
Nov 27 2007 3:57PM
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ryan.c
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exactly. when landing forward, you obviously should be able to see the ground a lil before you land. however, landing sw you can kinda see but not as easy. people refer to spotting the landing as just knowing where you are in ur trick, so you either dont land a ton earlier than you thought, or dont land later. you do "spot the landin" by seeing where you are, but its more of just knowing whats goin on.
Nov 27 2007 4:07PM
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ForestryIs8nice
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lay off the drugs then you'll remember skiing yesterday
Nov 27 2007 4:12PM
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fourhundred
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having your eyes closed is a definite no-no
Nov 27 2007 4:14PM
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Silence
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just keep practising man, and try to get that sense of where you are in the air..if you can have that down, its all progression from there.
Nov 27 2007 4:16PM
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Canuker
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Generally is it easier to 360(well spin in general) off of bigger jumps?
Nov 27 2007 4:27PM
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Silence
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^ true..same issue again, much more time to spot your landing
Nov 27 2007 4:28PM
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Pippin
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just pratice around the house or in an open area doing a 3, or jump of a step a do a three, just do these in like sets of 5(so you don't get to dizzy) and do a couple times a day of a couple weeks. Think about what you are doing in the air, focus on your landing once you see it
Nov 27 2007 4:42PM
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candybag82
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its definatly eiser off a bigger jump because you dont have to throw yourself into it, you can just let it come around.

my problem is that every time i spin past a 180 i end up sideways in the air, i can get teh 3 around, but i cant get my feet back under me.....anyone got any tips to fix that?
Nov 27 2007 5:33PM
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BrokenBones
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If you have acess to a trampoline its a great off-season training tool.  While it doesn't nessessarily help with skiing specific tricks, it does however increase your "air aweareness", or you ability to effectivly control your body and be comfortable in the air. 

If you don't, then just keep trying.  Tricks wouldn't be impressive if they didn't require lots of practice, just keep at it and soon enough you will be landing much easier.
Nov 27 2007 5:37PM
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invaderskier36
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turn ur shoulder and look as stated before
Nov 27 2007 5:37PM
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Mr.LemonPie
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I think that learning 3's is easier off of small jumps, off of big jumps I use to overspin or go off-axis on accident. Now that I have them down they are easier on big jumps but learning is easier on small.
Nov 27 2007 5:45PM
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Pippin
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yah i think my horizontal axis goes a bit off ...so landing is awkward sometimes
Nov 27 2007 5:51PM
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wils.
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Practice is all it takes
Nov 27 2007 5:53PM
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Caleb_F
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As you practice more, you'll begin to have more of a sense of what is happening around you.  Try to concentrate on keeping your eyes open and looking for your landing to come around.  Spotting your landing means that you watch for it, and then adjust your body position (tuck, open up, etc.) so that when you come down, you'll be in the right spot.  As you are more able to concentrate on what is happening around you, you'll be able to control your rotations better.  As for stopping at 270, you need to keep you head looking over your shoulder until you see the landing.  If you stop looking over your should and focus on something behind you, it will stop your spin.
Nov 29 2007 3:00AM
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K2-fujative
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Nov 29 2007 9:43AM
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SkierX
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Make sure you pop and generate the spin with your core, not by swinging your arms. Not popping is a surefire way of getting off-axis in a nearly uncontrollable way.

Another thing, it's all about the head too. As you're sitting in a chair, try looking over your shoulder at the ground about 4-5 feet behind you. Notice how your whole body will be twisting to follow your body.

As long as you are looking over your shoulder, you will rotate naturally. If you are freezing at 270, odds are good that you aren't looking over your shoulder properly throughout the whole rotation.

Part of it comes down to experience as well. the more you do it, the more natural it will feel. As was suggested previously, do a bunch of 360s while jumping with just your shoes on, and get used to the feeling of rotation and what it takes to continue rotating. The motions will be the same while skiing.

Pop, start the spin with your core, and look over the shoulder until you are coming around to 360, look forward, and land.
Nov 29 2007 9:55AM
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RudyGarmisch
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I know a guy that can do fives, and he closes his eyes in the air no matter what.
Nov 29 2007 11:28AM
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strongmark
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youre the twin tip kid!  that means youre not even supposed to be landing forwards!
Nov 29 2007 11:47AM
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asfffffffffdd
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yeah he better be using them damn double tips on his tails.... er else he mine as well be usin some sensible skis not them damn double tipper two plank boards
Nov 29 2007 2:32PM
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InfernoHits
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3s are more of a feeling thing. You can spot your landing but since your spinning around and coming around kind of blind you can't spot it till almost the end. I usually see my landing at 180 and know how fast to carry out my 2nd half of the 180. Its really a feel thing, you'll get it. Pop and set your spin early and dont open up till you think you're going to land.
Nov 29 2007 2:37PM
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TheQuailman
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you migh be looking straigt down and therefor have no memory of spinning around.  I also notice that on smaller hits I don't always look up, before you hit the jump remeber to look up and when you practice 3's at your house look up with your eyes open.  Like I tried picking a fixed object behind me and after a 180 I would look at it and then look at my landing. 
Nov 29 2007 6:19PM
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Casey
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just remember that there's no need to rush your spin, it takes about 6 inches of air to do a 360, so make sure you get off the jump clean and balanced, keep your stance wide and look for it. once you figure out to spot your landing you'll never go back to not doing it, but everyone feels out of control when they first learn.

Nov 29 2007 6:28PM
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kenevil
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yeah, at least for me it's easier off bigger jumps, that could just be me though...

just remember to keep looking over your shoulder, and if you're landing backseat try popping more, and kinda lean forward when you pop
Nov 29 2007 7:00PM
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0ptions
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When i first started i would never spot my landing, and my feet would never end up straight under me or they would but i would sketch out out of it and fall. spotting made the difference and now its like riding a bike.
Nov 29 2007 7:04PM
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Canuker
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i dont get it
Nov 29 2007 7:16PM
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Canuker
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Well ive been doing 360's around my house, but now i have a new problem, when im in the air im coming off axis and landing front seat( im not sure if you call it that or just forwards). like i jump and am always leaning way forwards when i land.
Nov 29 2007 7:18PM
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Billy_B
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just keep looking over your shoulder and spot your landing and never panic in the air
Nov 29 2007 7:18PM
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-NY-STeeZE-
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practice
Nov 29 2007 7:24PM
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strongmark
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with a name like that you SHOULLLLLLD be using both tips at ALL times!

only 180s, 540s, 900s, and if youre feeling sassy, 1260s, are allowed out of you.

you can do em switch too, but beyond that, youre being just plain innappropriate with the other tricks.


i guess i might as well try to be helpful too.  stay low off the lip, with some weight forward, shoulders should be over your toes.  ive always found it helpful to try to look at the heel of your leading ski (if you spin left, your left ski) to stay on axis.  itll keep your head down to prevent you from drifting back, and help you to spot your landing.  keep looking here until youre just about all the way around, then open up a little, put ya feet down, then land, and ride away into the sunset while all the ladies swoon over your magnificence.  that how i do it.
Nov 29 2007 7:35PM
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sdfjklioeur
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trampolines work wonders
Nov 29 2007 7:51PM
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SHampson
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for me i thought htis too, but once i went off a table top and tried it it just came around really nice.  it just happens with practice.
Nov 29 2007 7:53PM
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Canuker
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???? so will i be falling on my face because i land leaning forward ????
Nov 29 2007 8:08PM
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SkierX
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I'll also say this...

Doing a simple grab like a safety in a rotation make the spin much easier and more balanced than no grab spins.
Nov 29 2007 8:52PM
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calebski.
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yes
Nov 29 2007 9:00PM
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-NY-STeeZE-
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agreed
Nov 29 2007 9:47PM
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Wis_Skier_23
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just keep your eyes open and turn your head as far as it will go. i have done 3's however on little air where i was spinning real fast and i just had to judge when i was gonna land, its sketchy but it works for the most part
Nov 29 2007 10:00PM
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Wis_Skier_23
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just keep your eyes open and turn your head as far as it will go. i have done 3's however on little air where i was spinning real fast and i just had to judge when i was gonna land, its sketchy but it works for the most part
Nov 29 2007 10:15PM
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Phantom
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The same thing happens to me with my eyes when I am on a bike, except it looks like static instead, so I stopped doing that. I don't have that problem on snow though, maybe cuz you cant get road rash from snow.
Nov 29 2007 10:19PM
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