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Park Jumps with "kick" are no more

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4ReeL_
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so a lawyer came up to the mountain to explain that all jumps in the untied states will not be able to have any kick to them due to some nimrod overshooting the landing and breaking his neck. all jumps will have landings twice as long as the takeoffs and have a wedge shape to them. It will be interesting to see what brecks world class line will look like this season. 
Nov 12 2007 9:35AM
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Uncle_Remus
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well every body will be fear less with switch take offs it sounds liek it wouldbe really fun but it could also lead to more over shooting
Nov 12 2007 9:48AM
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nitsua
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im not sure its gonna affect the whole country...  but i dunno. any more word on this?
Nov 12 2007 9:51AM
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Mr.Bishop
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Best part about this is that having kick on a jump actually makes it harder to overshoot.  Having a flat takeoff makes it way easier to overshoot a landing... and landing twice as long as the takeoff?   thats fucking TINY.  

The problem in the world here is bad park builders.  There's way too many of them and those assholes have ruined it for everyone. 


Nov 12 2007 9:56AM
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nitsua
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so it is true then?
Nov 12 2007 10:12AM
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dbchili
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if thats true, then you're right yeah its tiny, but its also a good startng place for alot of resorts who dont impose such guidlines. Im sure you and i alike have both hit our fair share of jumps whose biggest challenge isnt landing your trick, but getting the proper speed to find the landing. I know my home hill has no such restrictions, and as a result we have had many jumps that havent even been worth riding because the build just isnt fun or safe to ride. If resorts want to build the safest jumps possible they shouldnt have lawyers pulling out words that they know nothing about, but should be designing and building jumps that are safe and can be replicated by other resorts so that the industry has some of standard. Thats just my 2 cents

Nov 12 2007 10:42AM
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-NY-STeeZE-
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thats gay dude, its there fault that they overshot the jump, obviously he wasnt experienced enough to be hitting it, sueing a mt because you got hurt on a jump, thats like those obese people who sued mcdonalds for getting fat, its rediculous
Nov 12 2007 10:50AM
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jwhyte
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apparently all RCR parks in canada are going to get cut all together
Nov 12 2007 10:53AM
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4ReeL_
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but thats just the fact of the matter is that one person can change the whole industry. the lawyer used the example of the guy that bought an rv with cruise control, he put the cruise control on and walked in the back while it was still driving, got in a accident and then sued the rv company because of false advertising. he ended up winning a huge sum of money and they company had to make a special section in the handbook just for cruise control.




and as far as i know this is a nation wide law now.




Nov 12 2007 11:03AM
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chewy15
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RCR whats that?
Nov 12 2007 11:08AM
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steezin4Areasn
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how are the lawyers going to determine if the jump has "too much kick" its mainly about speed.
Nov 12 2007 11:09AM
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Bagels
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Is there an article? 
Nov 12 2007 11:12AM
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4ReeL_
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trust me they have physicist making 3d animations to show the exact speed and angles of jumps going over ever possible seario. the truth is that they have all the power and they can do what they want.
Nov 12 2007 11:12AM
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4ReeL_
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dude google it this is a serious matter


http://www.denverpost.com/skiing/ci_5682314
Nov 12 2007 11:20AM
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2bi40s
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we should hire an actor like charles sheen and have him suicide bomb that cripples house who started all this.
Nov 12 2007 11:36AM
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Greenish
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god damnit
Nov 12 2007 11:45AM
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eheath
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I can see park city investing in park passes.
Nov 12 2007 11:46AM
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B-Wald
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all of this engineering shit is ridiculous.  no matter how many variables they plug into that program and how much they try to emulate an on-hill environment, they're not going to get a true representation.  i'd really like to see some published reports of the research and testing.

i know that there's problems with park design, but i'd much rather have an experienced rider/park designer team design my jumps than some physicist sitting in front of a computer, or at least have them all work together.  this isn't a fuckin video game.
Nov 12 2007 11:50AM
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4ReeL_
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just wait the standard is being composed
Nov 12 2007 11:51AM
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Roussel
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people need to take responsibility for their own actions. if the dude broke his neck on a jump, its his fault.

i know he might have medical bills to pay, but thats what you americans get for having a private health system, people get hurt, cant pay their bills so they sue, and then shit like this happens.
Nov 12 2007 11:58AM
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FUUUCK
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no kick? just a wedge? sounds much more dangerous to me
Nov 12 2007 12:01PM
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TheButterHashira
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It is.
In my opinion no one should be paying that dude that hurt himself on that jump. It sucks for him but thats his fault. My mom is a really good waterskier and when she was 13 she came up to a jump and broke both her legs because the jump had not been properly wet with the hose. My family didn't sue that camp because they didn't want to hurt the sport that they love. I wish that everyone would show the same love towards skiing. Money is the root of all evil and evil doesn't want us to have nice jumps.
Nov 12 2007 12:05PM
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Greenish
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that guy is a fucking idiot
Nov 12 2007 12:07PM
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Greenish
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kind of
Nov 12 2007 12:11PM
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*DrewT*
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haha exactly what I was thinking
Nov 12 2007 12:20PM
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Mr.Bishop
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When you read the article it says that a whole bunch of people got hurt on that one jump - thats even more stupid.   Watch your jumps... if people are getting hurt on them there's probably something wrong with it. 

Its not that hard to measure a jump.   I've always measured my angles and distances... doing that really helps you get a feeling for it.  

Someone needs to start a park building certification... thats the future of it.   Mix that with a park pass and you've got liability on lockdown.




Nov 12 2007 1:03PM
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MFinSLC
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i really don't see anything changing.  Like maybe the first jump of the season might be gay but soon enough the park crews will do things the way they should be.  Im not worried

Nov 12 2007 1:05PM
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I-Ski-AK
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Buhhh alyeska has shit for park anywho...
Nov 12 2007 1:07PM
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Joemuench
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i think it has a lot to do with underfunding. A lot of mountains PROBABLY dont have enough money to train or educate their park staff/ builders properly so they kinda just go on instinct builiding whatever they feel is good not necessarily safe.
Nov 12 2007 1:10PM
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Alex_G
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Maybe you should Doug, if anybody's got the authority about teaching people how to build jumps, it's you.
Nov 12 2007 1:12PM
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Smidt
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Whats A RCR Park?
Nov 12 2007 1:15PM
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treesmann
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RCR is just a company, like vail resorts or intrawest. im not sure which mtns rcr runs though
Nov 12 2007 1:18PM
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BULLSEMEN
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they run all these  Lake Louise, Fernie, Kimberley, Nakiska, Mont-Sainte-Anne, and Stoneham
Nov 12 2007 1:30PM
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crazyfuck
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word.

Doug for prez.
Nov 12 2007 1:33PM
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jack.whelan
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good job i live in europe then...
Nov 12 2007 1:34PM
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Mex_LineJib^a
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that's for damn sure
Nov 12 2007 1:37PM
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Roussel
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quebec now has Guidelines for building parks and modules and there also need to be a sign before every module saying the difficulty, its a start and a step in the right direction i think
Nov 12 2007 2:17PM
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+public_ennemy+
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thats a fuckin lame thing cause here in quebec (i think) the kicker have to be 5 feet of height max or something like that because of an insurrance type of shit so the park builders dig deep in snow to do fuckin huge kickers witch switch straight spins are way tough and switch corks will almost come off naturally if you dont get pressed in the kicker by gravity and speed.
Nov 12 2007 2:26PM
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eljefe
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I'll bet the good parks will remain the same...ie keystone, breck, mammoth...
Nov 12 2007 2:41PM
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bigwhite.steeze
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kinda sucks but i dunno...i dont like jumps that kick you 30 or so feet in the air...id rather have a little less kick and a bit more distance than a 15ft jump that shoulds you 25ft up...but no kick at all would suck fierce...

and RCR = resorts of the canadian rockies
Nov 12 2007 3:04PM
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OAK_TREE
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I was at a jam this weekend and they had a jump set up. a little 10-15 footer but for a jam it was nice. they jump looked and felt the way they always feel. maybe they didn't get the memo or they just don't care.
Nov 12 2007 3:04PM
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zackblain
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Bristol could use a little less lip on their jumps.   
Nov 12 2007 3:06PM
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Poomba
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Bishop, where do you work the park at?
Nov 12 2007 3:10PM
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SnowMedic
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I dont see anything changing besides the resorts directly tied to the resort where the dumbass got hurt.
Nov 12 2007 3:36PM
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B.Snow
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god that sucks 
Nov 12 2007 3:42PM
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molsongolden
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good maybe now we can finally be rid of that damn freestyle crap once and for all

mountains need to invest more in racing and alpine carving because that is where we came from and that is where we belong

plow over all the parks and put up slaloms
Nov 12 2007 4:10PM
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Rippy087
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sarcasm at it's finest. damn that really sucks, hope they don't mess with anything out here (east) for now
Nov 12 2007 4:23PM
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Valind
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I agree
Nov 12 2007 4:27PM
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Rippy087
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i really freakin hope so, and vail
Nov 12 2007 4:58PM
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Billiards.
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Wait so your running for president? Ill make sure my parents vote for you I won't be old enough.
Nov 12 2007 5:05PM
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