I know armada just came out for 2002-2003 for their pros, and they havent been around for that long. I've only learned of 4Frnt like a week ago, and i'm sick of my lines. I've had no luck with them, their top coat is way too thin and soft. I hope my darksides hold up, but my other two pairs of mike nicks arent doing too well. Session 11 and 12 at Hood, i got a major chip on the front tip of my nicks on a butter 3. My other ones got chipped on the tail. I'm sick of all the problems. I want a dependable, tough ski that's still good for all mountian and carving. But isnt too heavy. I heard that armada's and 4 frnts are heavy. If anyone's got some insight, i'd appreciate it.