"first off "We need to go into other countries and fuck up the terrorists." - It is when we try to do these types of things that they start to hate us. They do not hate us because of our freedom, they hate us for what we do to them. As Ron Paul said, we have been over there bombing them for 10 years."
I think that foreigners do get the wrong message. Our presedent needs to go out and explain why we've been bombing for ten years. If our public relations get better than people will get he right message
"If people are being oppressed then I feel we have a moral responsibility to take the oppressors out of place and help the people. We have an army. We should use that army to help good and fight evil." - that is good and all, but that is not our job as a nation, we need to look out for ourselves, we have enough problems as it is. We are not a nation built on the ideals of policing the world.
I agree with you on this point. We should not go out policing the world, spreading are troops around, leacing our homeland weak (this is one of the reasons the Roman Empire fell) But instead we need to pick and choose our battles. It was decided that Iraq needed troops therefore we should go big or go home. If the mission is going to have any success then we are going to need to go all out or not go at all. And once we are succesful (which should have happened a long time ago) we can then go home. There are plenty of U.S. troops stationed around the world in places where they are not needed.
"How do you know that a militant group in Iraq isn't going to gain power create another Holocaust and World War?" - let me think... probably because they are poor as fuck! Right now we want to invade Israel. They have no army, they are a third world country and could get fucked up by Israel (their neighbor) if they tried anything. We need to step back and look at this in a different light. These terrorists are bad people, but right now, they have no power to create a new holocost. They aren't quite as big as Germany lol.
Agreed, but you're forgetting how poor Germany was after WWI. The whole disarmament/reperations thing along with their country ripped to shreads cause of a war left them as a shithole. And because they were so poor (like Iraq) they looked toward communism and the Nazi regime as an answer. And although the Nazi's were small, they were able to gain power quickly and begin to take over.
"That would be giving up on the war agaisnt evil." - oh come on. We are the evil ones right now. We have a horrible foreign policy, we are torturing prisoners and spying on our own citizens. Don't think the US is some holy superpower. We need to fix stuff up here so we can be an example they can follow. We used to be looked at as the best country, now the world hates us. Ever wonder why?
Definitly. We need stop torture, invasion of privacy, the patriot act, corruption, etc. Theres so much shit wrong with this country. But still large amouts of innocent people aren't being killed, women have rights, people can vote, theres food. In other countries things aren't the same.
PS yea, good argument/debate. Sorry it took along time to post this. 'm not super-educated on the issue but from what I've heard this is what I believe.
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