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Snowgel..........doesn't work.

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ILoveOhio
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I just got mine and made a batch ANDDDDDDDDDD....wait for it...IT DOESN'T WORK! I have a 6 foot high drop in and my rail is 1.5 feet tall and it is too slow....omg i went faster with just wet turf....someone help me....I have a rail jam next weekend and it isn't going to happen if i can't get speed, even with gel, to get on the damn rail!
Jul 1 2007 4:47PM
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skiwoj
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Can i see some pictures of your setup
Jul 1 2007 5:44PM
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ILoveOhio
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Yeah sure......I completely changed it and it barley works......I swear the gel is sticky and doesn't do anything...........ok well I'm going outside to take pics and maybe a vid.
Jul 1 2007 5:59PM
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ILoveOhio
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Jul 1 2007 6:38PM
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tribefan226
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your start ramp:
A)looks like it will fall apart
B)doesnt look steep enough
Jul 1 2007 6:40PM
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tribefan226
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and about the snow gel maybe u gotta use more water. idk though, ive never used it
Jul 1 2007 6:41PM
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ILoveOhio
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a) It was really sturdy and then I added the second part to it.....my dad is an engineer (he built the tower and sturdy ramp part).....ahha I made the ghetto take off...

b) I had it really steep and it was worse than it is now.....I can make it to the end of the rail...barely. Before I had lots of speed but it was all lost going up the jump part so I ghetto rigged it and made it a flat to ride on. ahha yeah so I know what ur thinking though
Jul 1 2007 7:31PM
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_Joe_
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maybe you didn't use enough gel, and the drop in looks kinda short, and the jump on looks like its too long of an up slope, so if possible, make the jump on flat with a lip at the end of it
Jul 1 2007 10:09PM
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_Joe_
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and are you boarding or skiing
Jul 1 2007 10:11PM
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ILoveOhio
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I have just enough speed now, but as you can see there isn't even a jump......I thought this stuff was slippery as hell.....papasteez said nips went fast enough for an 8 foot gap....wtf.
Jul 1 2007 10:12PM
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mattyb.
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Looks like you dont have enough on, and i think wetting the ramp and having snowgel will help
Jul 1 2007 10:34PM
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ILoveOhio
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I did wet the ramp, and I had more on erlier......it fades into the turf.
Jul 1 2007 10:43PM
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papasteeze
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yeah  something is very wrong somewhere.  Dumb questions first. 

1. Did you add water to the concentrate per the instructions?

2. Did you wet the carpet before applying the gel. if yes, did you soak it or dampen.

3. How did you apply the gel to the carpet.

4. Whats the temperature outside?

5. What is the carpet you are using?

We are having to rebuild our in runs and rail positions because the set is just too fast with the gel.  We tried soap and water, but it was too "grabby"  We are talking about building a summer jump with piles of wood chips using snow gel on carpet.


Jul 1 2007 10:45PM
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ILoveOhio
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I am boarding.....but I also ski...and I think skiing is just as cool as boarding. Anybody else have any suggestions?
Jul 1 2007 10:45PM
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papasteeze
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uh - lets start by answering questions.
Jul 1 2007 10:55PM
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ILoveOhio
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1. I used around 1/2 of the tub (maybe a little less). And filled a 5 gallon bucket with 3-4 gallons of water (maybe a littttle too much but you said you had used more water than instructed if I recall right).

2. I did not wet the carpet before applying, but as soon as I put it on I dampened it lightly.

3. I applyed the gel with a cup.

4. It is 60* right now but I would say the high was 70-80*F.

5. I am using astroturf(indoor/outdoor carpet) from home depot.


Damn I want my gel to work that good. I mean my inrun is 6 feet tall so I thought I'd be flying. How tall is your inrun (i forget).

Jul 1 2007 10:56PM
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ILoveOhio
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haha sorry you posted while I was typing that.
Jul 1 2007 10:58PM
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papasteeze
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I think we might have about 10 feet of verticle, there are two sheets of plywood for 16 foot run into the transition and another 6 feet in the tranny and lip. 

I would guess the lip is 2 foot of verticle.  The gap is over 30 inches and the rail is 18' long.  Nips was landing in the middle of the rail.  so we are changing the set up by regrading another in-run next to this one. it won't be as steep and will be just a flat rail installed level.


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Jul 1 2007 11:15PM
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papasteeze
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Here is the review I wrote. and there is thread in a few threads down on this page.  Those guys shoudl be able to help too.


https://newschoolers.com/web/forums/readthread/thread_id/301249/
Jul 1 2007 11:22PM
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GnarBurger
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are you kidding me? it works great didnt you see our edit?

Jul 2 2007 9:21PM
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skiwoj
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also, you have no transition, it goes from down to up, and i found this winter that that kills your speed, try having a few feet of flat between your dropin and your jump
Jul 2 2007 9:54PM
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i0z
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it seems u need it more wet
Jul 2 2007 10:33PM
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ILoveOhio
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The flat was killing my speed completeley....and that jump isn't really a "jump".....it is thew flats ahaha. My old setup was steeper with like 6 foot flat and then a jump....I couldn't even get on the rail.

And more wet.....It was really wet when I used it, just not in the pic, and there was also more gel on the ramp.
Jul 2 2007 11:32PM
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ILoveOhio
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Is that the Parkerhouse (sp?) edit. If so I did see it. It made me go woah (along with papasteez saying he has too much speed) and I bought some. Mine does not work near close to yours did. That is my issue.
Jul 2 2007 11:34PM
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papasteeze
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dude,  you are going to have to change your set completely and try something different.  You mentioned you are a snowboarder, while I doubt that has anything to do with your lack of speed, Ido feel it could a contributing factor combined with the carpet type, transition, hieght of drop in, rail material condition of you bases.

Jul 3 2007 12:25AM
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magic_steve
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yah what kind of carpet is best
for summer set ups in the past ive used a long skinny roll of indoor carpet (i beleive its saxony) that we took out of a dumpster behind a carpet store, but im worried that if we use snowgel on it it may just sink into the carpet and produce bad results.
maybe im just being paranoid but has anyone else used indoor carpet?
Jul 8 2007 12:22PM
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drewishish
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how about you completly take all that set up down, get lots of astro turf and just use your niffty diffty go cart to tow your ass in!
Jul 9 2007 3:29AM
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garrett.
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hes onto somethin
Jul 9 2007 4:21AM
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ILoveOhio
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UPDATE:

1) I just had a sesh with my friend. We completely changed the setup and I made 2- 8'x1'x1' boxes.

2) We used snowgel, and had just enough speed. Most of the sesh we just used one 8 foot box.

3) Next time we are getting two truckloads of snow from the ice rink that is 5 minutes away. Snowgel does help with speed slightly, but I still failed to be impressed.

4) I would used that "nifty" dune buggy idea, but that's too complicated, and probably still wouldn't work good. Also, I wouldn't be able to practice by myself.

5) I'll have pics and a short vid up in the morining.
Jul 9 2007 9:23PM
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Colt45er
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i dont think they would make and sell a product like that if it didnt work

Jul 15 2007 7:04PM
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magic_steve
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Snowgel does work.
turtleman321 and i made a batch yesterday and spread it on some carpet in his front yard. it worked just as described.
notes:
1. its not snow
2. use a tarp like they describe on the website, we lost a lot of snowgel off the sides of the carpet especially near the takeoff
3. the bucket it comes in is a half gallon, so you can use it to add water
4. it gets EVERYWHERE, it sticks all over your skis and then it gets on your hands. then if you fall you basically get covered in it. this is really the only annoying part about it, but dont worry because it washes right off with a hose.
5. it looks like fish eggs

ill get back to you guys after a week or so to see if its held up in storage.
Jul 20 2007 1:20PM
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MadSteezin
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u dont get any speed because your dropping off the top instead of having a smooth transition.
Jul 22 2007 9:19PM
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candybag82
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I got some snow gel and just finished our first session on it....it was really fast (sometimes a little too fast) we had enough speed to change our flat box set up to a up- gap- down and we didnt use that much snow gel
Aug 14 2007 10:38PM
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ILoveOhio
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What carpet did you use? Turf or carpet like Papasteez's?
Aug 14 2007 10:51PM
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candybag82
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we used turf.....but ours is set up on a hill.....i'll try to get a vid up if i can
Aug 14 2007 11:06PM
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ILoveOhio
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I just rode today only using my turf....no snowgel. And I jibbed my 8' down box easily......I did have a flat down set up [the 8' down box with my other 8' box (set up slightly down)], but I couldn't make it all the way to the end. With my setup I never touch the ground for the inrun. I made it so there is the ramp, and a platform with a jump on it.
Aug 15 2007 9:15PM
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