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What should i look for in a camera for filming skiing?

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CraigAK
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Any thing...format...ect..
May 10 2007 3:51PM
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CraigAK
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i am new to filming and only have a little experience filming, any info would be helpful. thanks
May 10 2007 3:53PM
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xnick11
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I would buy some type of automatic camera, then learn the basics of filming then movie onto some type of manual camera.
May 10 2007 4:50PM
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Jeff_Lo
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something w/ 3ccd, and would reccomend somthing that shoots manually but is very functionable and can still be shot professionaly with tons of different settings such as shutter speed/fstop/ND filters/ white balance, a zoom ring and a focus ring
May 10 2007 8:20PM
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FigmentFilmski
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but you dont need any of that shit to become good at filming. if you have experiance and a badget, than yeah, but for beginners just go for some small 1ccd camera that films on mini dv tapes.
May 10 2007 10:55PM
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pDails
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would it be better to spend more and get a cheaper HD camera, or more expensive mini dv? also would it be better to just get a good camera first, because eventually, maybe like a year or 2 later, your going to wnat to upgrade and then your going to have to sell and then spend alot more moeny again...why not just get a decently nice camera first?
May 10 2007 11:36PM
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pDails
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also what do those functions mean?
May 10 2007 11:37PM
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ECfreeski3
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i cant answer your question about whether to buy an HD cam or SD cam first, cuz thats up for debate still.
but i think you are right in thinking you should maybe not delay the inevitable and just get a pretty nice camera first.
also, focus=ring that controls where your field of focus is, shutter speed= exposure setting..it controls what fraction of a second each frame is exposed to light for, f stop is the iris setting (controls how of a hole is letting light in on each frame) which works with shutter speed to control exposure, and an ND filter is a built in or screw on lens that makes the image a certain number of f stops darker without affecting the colors
May 11 2007 4:30AM
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ECfreeski3
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oh and white balance allows you to tell your camera what exactly "white" looks like in any given situation so your colors come out right..
May 11 2007 4:31AM
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leckett1
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hey i got good at filming with a $285 canon optura 10.

my advice: dont go and buy some insanely expensive 3 chip camera if you dont know how to use it...your footage will look worse than if you used a handycam
May 11 2007 10:15AM
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xnick11
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You don't need an HD camera,your computer probably isn't even fast enough to render in full HD.
May 11 2007 3:35PM
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thefilmerguy
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do video cameras have aperture, shutter speed, etc. too? 

i havent used many video cameras but i thought that was only on picture cams

May 11 2007 5:20PM
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cofreeskier
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If you are beginning to start filming skiing/filming in general I wouldnt get an HD because you need certain software that can edit HD and your comp needs to be really nice. I would either invest in a pretty nice 3CCD camera now and be able to use it for a while, or I would get a pretty basic camera and then maybe upgrade in a year or so. But, its your choice...
May 12 2007 2:30AM
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1-pippin
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yeah id get a nicer camera first, it will just save you money. jut buy like 1 tape and use the whole thing messing with different settings and stuff and you will get it down good enough.
and between HD and 3ccd its really your personal opinion, personally i think HD looks worse. and you will need a nice compute for HD.
May 12 2007 4:07AM
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pDails
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so it sounds to me like alot of people are more against HD unless your like pro...
May 12 2007 1:50PM
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tha_CF
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maybe go with like a vx 1 or gl 1 as a beginner camera, but a nicer beginner camera.  thats 3ccd, and has auto and manual settings
May 12 2007 2:27PM
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pDails
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GL1, GL2, or Sharp VL-AX1?
May 12 2007 7:48PM
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pDails
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or FX7?

p.s. has anyone bought from bestpricecameras.com?
May 12 2007 7:52PM
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BSI
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Look kids, any D-Bag can go buy some automated rig, point it, shoot it, and call themselves a "videographer". If you want to set yourself apart from the bottom 92% of the bell curve get something you can control completely(manual) and learn how to use it. I don't mean learn how to turn it on and play it back on your TV. I mean read the manual, know everything about it and why, and maybe even seek an education in the matter.
May 12 2007 9:55PM
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pDails
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^^^well im not sure how much of an asshole your trying to be, but i dont know if you realized, but thats what this fucking thread is about you idiot...im trying to get some fucking information. Its fuckheads like you who look down on everyone because "oh hey im going to assume im better than everyone just because its over the internet and ive never even met the guy" and its just unnecesary man.
May 13 2007 3:11AM
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pDails
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o and ps every fucking camera i listed has manual settings...by the way kid-o.
May 13 2007 3:12AM
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pDails
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GL1, GL2, or Sharp VL-AX1?
or FX7?, if i can find one cheap enough...which out of the first 3 is best for cost efficiency (factoring in that the VL-AX1 is used, but only 375)? and is the FX7 best out of all of them?
May 13 2007 3:14AM
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BSI
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I guess that one slipped over your head hoodrida. The point was directed at those who stated he should just get an automated camera and figure it out, then upgrade, then outgrow that one, then upgrade... But then again, I am an idiot, as you so eloquently stated.

Oh yeah, I'm not better than everyone, just you hoodrida, because "its over the internet and ive never even met the guy(you)"...Uhh...What?

May 13 2007 9:56AM
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pDails
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Again to the question:

GL1, GL2, or Sharp VL-AX1?
or FX7?, if i can find one cheap enough...which out of the first 3 is best for cost efficiency (factoring in that the VL-AX1 is used, but only 375)? and is the FX7 best out of all of them?
May 13 2007 4:52PM
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pDails
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vx2100, or fx7?
May 13 2007 5:02PM
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1-pippin
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how much can you spend? if you want something for around 1000 get a vx1000, it seriously has the best colors ever.

if you want a cannon dont get the gl1 get the gl2 for sure, i dont like them that much, but its definatly not bad.

if you can spend around 2000 get a vx1000 with a sweet setup, vx2100 or dvx100, the 2100 or 1000 would probably be better for a first camera, you dont need to set up as much, its easier to point and shoot without it looking bad, and if you like skate style filming, like lots of follow cams and up close intense filming id get either of the vx's, plus the 2100 is amazingly good at night and its more inbetween something like a vx1000 and a dvx100, its great for follow cams but it still can get amazing artsy tripod shots too, while the 1000 isnt as good for that.
the dvx is better for artsy tripod type shots.
so if you like lots of up close intense filming with alot of movement get either of the vx's, if you want cool looking artsy shots get a dvx.

May 13 2007 5:36PM
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pDails
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whats wrong with the GL1 and GL2?
May 13 2007 11:24PM
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tha_CF
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knowing ur price range would be way more helpful in deciding your camera
May 13 2007 11:43PM
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neatnir69
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I have a Sony VX1000 that i am looking to get rid of, PM if you are interested.
May 13 2007 11:45PM
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1-pippin
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gl1 just kinda sucks, gl2 isnt bad at all, its just that for the same price you could get something better.

and yeah you really need to say how much you want to spend.
May 13 2007 11:59PM
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pDails
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well if i could keep it under 1500 it would be nice, but i have an uncle that works in the industry and can get me deals also...so im looking for something in the range of vx2100. that happens to be top on my list if i can come up with the money for it
May 14 2007 12:20AM
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1-pippin
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yeah if you can spend around 1500 and can get deals, then you could get a vx2100 for sure and you might be able to get a dvx. id probably reccomend the 2100 the most because its probably the best all around, dvx footage looks amazing, but its more specific purpose. just look at footage on youtube or something, it may be shitty quality but you can get the idea of what each camera's footage looks like.

May 14 2007 11:30AM
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1-pippin
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here is some night footage from a 2100
http://media.nscdn.com/uploads/member/videos/6441t-Lapse.mov

and this is from a vx2000, so it looks way similar to 2100 footage, if anything the 2100 will be better.
May 14 2007 11:38AM
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1-pippin
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oops
http://media.nscdn.com/uploads/member/videos/1158204792hood-newvxfooty-H.264800Kbps.mov
May 14 2007 11:38AM
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[~_~]
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"HD" cameras are useless unless you spend like $7,000 or more on them.

and my first camera was a GL2.
May 14 2007 3:20PM
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ninjea
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i have a question. Is it better for the camera to record onto a mini dv or onto a mini dvd disk and why?
Jun 17 2007 12:37PM
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[~_~]
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HD cameras are only worth buying if you spend like $7,000 or more on one.
Jun 17 2007 3:32PM
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thefilmerguy
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how does everybody like the gl2? i would consider buying one
Jun 17 2007 3:37PM
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[~_~]
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I feel the GL2 is a great camera but for the skating look, you'd be much better off with a Sony.


One of the reasons why I love the GL2 so much is because of its manual control. When I shoot a vx I feel like Im shotting a semi-automatic camera. The controls are scattered and theres automatic settings for everything, everywhere to the point where I sometimes have to go out of my way to make sure its not doing something automatically.


film look = GL2

skate look = Vx
Jun 17 2007 3:39PM
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Jun 17 2007 3:46PM
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[~_~]
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Oh and here are some still frames from my GL2. Like I said, its good if you're into the whole tripod shot, film-look.

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Likewise, here are some vids I shot as well:

http://media.nscdn.com/uploads/member/videos/6487SummerMontageCompressed.wmv (my very first video with a GL2)

http://media.putfile.com/Farewell-Betty

http://media.putfile.com/A-Film-by-Landis-Tanaka-teaser

http://media.nscdn.com/uploads/member/videos/1145408316Sample at Hatchers-H.264 800Kbps.mov

http://media.putfile.com/TrampFunCompressed

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=1425822932

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=1426834397


There. If thats not enough samples then I don't know what is!

Jun 17 2007 4:06PM
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ninjea
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anyone?
Jun 18 2007 1:05AM
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What_A_Wookie
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http://shopping.yahoo.com/p:Sony%20DCRSR42%20DV%20Camcorder:1994621003;_ylt=AiXri0HwBMPO2IPj.n6SZBW3v2UD;_ylu=X3oDMTBucGc3MWVoBF9zAzU3NjkwMzk0BGx0AzQEc2VjA3Ny?clink=dmss//ctx=sc:cvideo_camera_dv,c:cvideo_camera_dv,mid:59,pid:1994621003,pdid:59,pos:3

-Good starter cam, be sure you don't suck - than move up to the better cams.

You do not need a 3ccd if you're just going to uploading shit to youtube anyway, the quality will end up being the same.
Jun 18 2007 1:16AM
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[~_~]
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dvd aka optical medium sucks ass

miniDV isnt that good either, but for what you're doing it will be perfect.
Jun 18 2007 3:08AM
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skibum1854
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lighting/color correction clearly was a factor in these shots as well... I just dont want him to go thinking its as simple as buying a GL2 and the shots look dank, but if your willing to take time and set up shots nicely, you will get sick shit like you just saw from Tanaka
Jun 18 2007 4:21AM
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skibum1854
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or you could go big and get the DVX for a few grand, probably best mini DV around (in my opinion) not cheep though but form what i have seen and heard you really are getting what you paied for. i think tanaka might have one?
Jun 18 2007 4:23AM
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[~_~]
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I dont think he should get a DVX. It is such a complex camera for a first camera. I have not mastered it yet.

The GL2 shots definately were color corrected but what I was trying to demonstrate was the potential that camera has if you put the time into learning how to truely use it.
Jun 18 2007 5:23PM
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