I'm going to paste this in here, cause once he sees this stuff he'll no doubt delete it. And some of it is pure gold
(no name)
To the bible quoting nancy boy that said this
"I thank God that I do not know any of you personally, because I do believe there's a line in a book somewhere that says something like "Judge not lest you be judged." If you don't understand that message... maybe you should apply some of your vast intelligence to it. Between the 3 of you - you should be able to figure it out."
Most of the most racist and bigoted people in the world consider themselves to be christians. So don't lecture me about judgement. I judge a person based on his words, action and merit, and I have judged your friend Kenny to be a coward. And yes I am advocating his suicide, because of the shame he has brought to himself and his family by his cowardice. Unfortuantely because of his condition its going to be awfully hard for him to regain his honor without help. Maybe one of you, his so called "friends" could help him out by pushing his wheelchair of that big cliff above shots 6-10 at Alpental? Of course then I'm sure you guys would try to sue them again for letting that dangerous rock formation exist near their ski area.
much love,
Chris
May 08 9:55 PM
Deb,
If a personal friend of mine hurt themselves at snoqualmie and then tried to sue the mountain, I would punch them in the jaw, quadrapalegic or not. The kid that died dropped into a 30 foot jump from about 300 vertical feet higher than where you need to drop into it, his death is just an extreme example of natural selection. The person that broke his back was trying to do a backflip having never done one before even on a trampoline.
So again... natural selection
Chris
May 08 7:08 PM
To anonymous,
Lawsuits have their specific place, because there are times when people are held responsible. But for some reason, in the United States, people will sue for just about anything, which just isn't right. It is one thing if something is faulty (which they tried to accuse Snoqualmie of), dealings with contracts and other binding issues, or if somebody or organization puts a burden of some kind on you. There are many other instances when judicial intervention is necessary and appropriate. This is just not one of those instances.
-mark
May 08 7:04 PM
Deb,
It would seem appropriate that there was neglegence on Snoqualmie's part if there were repeated incidences of mountain neglegence. However, you have to look at WHY these incidences happened, such as a death and broken back. I'll preface the reasons by say The Summit seems to get a lot of people that are hot and biscuit to go out and go huge in terrain parks, as if they just watched the X-games on TV, yet, most of these people are way, way out of their league. The guy who died was literally insane, and I believe he was on drugs. Afterall, the mountain wasn't sued after that incident because it was purely the skier's fault. This is no different, except instead of death, there was paralyzation. The other guy who broke his back... he was a novice, out of his league. So many factors are to be considered before hitting a jump, such as the aforementioned ability, weather, conditions, etc. Kenny made a bad decision, as did the others.
Like I said, I could never wish this on anybody because it is, indeed, hard on the people involved. I would sincerely hope it never happens to me or anybody I know, or just anybody in general. However, that said, this is clearly raping the system and an absolutely audastic and distgusting displacement of blame. We as skiers and riders (and other participants in dangerous sports) acknowledge that there is risk. It says that specifically on the lift ticket/season pass, lift towers, tops of terrain parks, etc. With man made features, you just have to have the wits to hit it properly; it takes experience and ability. There are skiers and borders who have hit jumps that are absolutely gigantic, easily exceeding 100ft. Sometimes people get hurt on features this big, many times not. But what it really boils down to is that he CHOOSE to hit a jump he could not do properly, and the outcome that happened is a very real, and very potential consequence. But instead of leaving it that way, he has to sue the mountain for an astronomical amount of money, potentially whiping out this niche of winter sports, which could also affect other sports in the long run.
It's all about responsibility.
-mark
May 08 7:00 PM
James, Mark and Chris - it would be great to be as intelligent as you three think you are. Between the 3 of you - you have advocated suicide, called our judicial system a joke, and have shown how "responsible" you think you are, just with your postings.
I thank God that I do not know any of you personally, because I do believe there's a line in a book somewhere that says something like "Judge not lest you be judged." If you don't understand that message... maybe you should apply some of your vast intelligence to it. Between the 3 of you - you should be able to figure it out.
But while you're there, if a person was to go by your way of thinking. You should work on getting all lawyers and judges completely obliterated. After all - every lawsuit is considered "frivilous" by somebody who is "responsible." Aren't they?
May 08 6:53 PM
I understand that Mark and Chris is upset about the parks leveling jumps and so on but I thought I read somewhere that either a week before or after Kenny's injury that someone died at that same park and someone else broke their back. Its not just a single accident but many. It seems really sad that some people put recreation before someone's life. That person who died was someones son, brother, boyfriend or best friend. Its also sad that people would tell someone they hope they burn because they dont agree with an action. If it was someone that Mark or Chris personally knew, someone they are or were close to, I dont think they would feel the same way.
Deb
May 08 4:24 PM
Mark is 100% right, its truly a shame that the american court system still allows these injustices to happen. I feel terrible for what happened to you, but it is absolutely your fault. Using a ski/snowboard jump is nothing like riding a rollercoaster. When you hit a jump on your skis you are in complete control of how you hit it, what you do in the air and where/how you are going to land. When you ride a rollercoaster you are strapped in and immobilized (you should know all about this), and your body is under the control of the machine and the engineers that designed and built that machine. Of course with both of these, nobody made you even go near either one. You made a choice, and now your are living with the consequences of that choice, and I feel bad for you, I real do, because I know it could happen to me as well.
You my friend made another choice, you chose not to take responsibility for your actions and to attempt to put the blame on someone undeserving of it. And know we are alll being made to suffer for your irresponsibility. You're winning of your lawsuit has set a dangerous precedent and now resorts all around the country have toned down their jumps or just plowed them over completely. You are the catalyst that is trying to choke the life out of a sport that I love. All because you weren't enough of a man to accept your mistakes.
Please, put your family out of their shame and misery. Pull the plug on yourself.
Sincerely,
Chris
May 08 3:44 PM
JAMES
RIGHT ON Mark!!
Responsiblity !!!
no one in America wants to take responsiblity for their actions!!!
don't worry...Kenny will get zippo on appeal and his book will flop
May 08 2:03 PM
Well I finally stumbled upon this blog after hearing much about it, and I must say, congratulations.
But I'm not referring to your "victory," no no, far from. I believe that this settlement FULLY exemplifies everything wrong with irresponsible people, such as yourself. Congratulations of raping a system that benefits the irresponsible, and puts the blame on others.
I myself have ridden at the Summit-at-Snoqualmie for years and years, and only ONCE have I been hurt hitting their jumps. All that amounted was a broken thumb, but it was MY fault, for hitting the jump, for trying a new trick. I paid the consequences, and so be it. You, on the other hand, couldn't take responsibility for your actions. You couldn't even ski well enough, or more imporantly, didn't have enough brains to gauge a jump. Reading the court records, the ONLY CONCEIVABLE WAY that your accident happened was you were skiing IRRESPONSIBLY and OUT OF CONTROL. I had hit the very same feature you did, but no injury for me. The jump was small, so you were going too fast. What if you were driving a car on a 25mph curve, going 75? Should you sue the state for the immenent crash? Or if you hit a 30ft table top, going 50mph, should you sue the ski area because you went 4x too far? More relevant, if you hit a 30ft table top (not the same as falling 30ft up mind you) while going 50mph, and you're a novice (and you were obviously a novice at best), should you sue the ski area for the inevetable? What if you climb Everest, and it is your first climb ever, and you get injured because you fell on a fixed line, should you sue the Nepalese? It doesn't make sense, except that you just cannot accept responsibilty for your own actions.
This is what tears the country apart. These frivilous lawsuits where people will just put all the blame on others because their actions put them into painful situations. Is it good you were paralyzed? No, I could never wish that on anybody, but YOU, because of your lawsuit, because of your inhibition to accept that YOU WERE AT FAULT, have created a wave that could cause (and has been creating) a demise in ski area terrain parks, and hell, with practically any type of venue of a similar nature.
Please rot in hell, or start taking some responsibility.
-mark
May 08 11:47 AM
