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Mistys, D-spins

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Gohuge22
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If i throw a frontflip and a 360 on the tramp would that be considered a Misty 7 counting the flip as a 3, or just a Misty 3... Also the only difference between a corked trick and a D-spin is that your feet are above your head on a D-spin?? So when i through a cork 7 too hard and my feet are higher than my head, its actually a D-spin 7???


Jul 7 2003 9:40PM
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skier_boy26
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wow
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Jul 7 2003 9:41PM
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waterville_NH
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the second thing about the d spin is correct but really a front flip is a 360 degree rotation as well so you have to think of it that way, that is why it is considered a 7 instead of a 3





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Jul 7 2003 9:41PM
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lanks
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the flip is a 360 degree rotation itself, so yes, it is a misty 720. and yeah i think a dspin is a corked spin, but you exit the trick with a backflip. dont trust me on it though.


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Jul 7 2003 9:42PM
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skier_boy26
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wow, for visual explanation or something- misty 7, watch douglas or szocs, d spin, either tanner or candide. you hopefuly can figure it out from there... watch them in ski movies or online in places, so much confusion
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Jul 7 2003 9:53PM
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ECfreeski3
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yes what you said is right. front flip and a 3 is a misty 7, because the flip is a 3 also. plus if you think about it, if you threw a misty 7 not as straight up and down, it turns into a bio 7.
as for the d spin, a d spin is defined as a cork spin to a back flip, so yeah, pretty much a cork that you get inverted after spinning some.
Jul 7 2003 9:58PM
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waterville_NH
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^are you saying yes to what i said or someone else?





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Jul 7 2003 10:03PM
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lanks
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no he's just copying me, thats all.


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Jul 7 2003 10:07PM
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theBOSS.
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A dspin is NOT just an inverted cork. This is a huge mixup. A dspin is almost like a backfull if you think about it, exept the 360 is thrown really early. All a D-spin is is a cork three to off axis backflip, where the cork counts as 3 and the backflip counts as three.

Same with the misty, although mistys are usually more off axis than just a frontflip with a 360. The 3 counts as a 3 and the flip counts as three.
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Jul 8 2003 12:21AM
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Gohuge22
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Ok then how do you explain a Misty 540, and also what is a bio-spin? And if a frontflip is considered 360 degrees of a misty 7 then why isnt the backflip of a D-spin the same.....Sorry about all these questions but i can throw all this stuff on the tramp, but im not sure what each thing exactly is....
Jul 8 2003 12:23AM
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theBOSS.
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The backflip of the D-spin IS the same, it counts as 360. read more closely and maybe you will get it. Also, a misty 540 is an off axis front 180, but depending on how off you throw it it can appear to have more rotation in it
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Jul 8 2003 12:30AM
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Gohuge22
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Sorry cruz, i was replying to the message before i saw your response, bad timing....Anyways, this seems like everyone has a different answer to these questions, so if i throw an extremely corked 7, and come out of it as a backflip wouldnt that be a Dspin 10???
Jul 8 2003 12:35AM
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theBOSS.
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the way you're explaining it...yes
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Jul 8 2003 12:46AM
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Gohuge22
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Ok...Im gonna try and get a video camera so someone can tell me if im right....Also what is a rodeo and a Bio-spin??? Thanks for all the help
Jul 8 2003 12:48AM
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christ that trick guide needs to come out soon, or we're all gonna lose our minds to this stupidity
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Jul 8 2003 1:30AM
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NoTeefa
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first off: DIE!!!!
second, a frontflip with a 360 is not a misty 7 it is a front full, BUT! if you do that same front full in such a manner that you roll over your shoulder and dont go inverted it IS a misty 7


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Jul 8 2003 1:32AM
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Jul 8 2003 1:33AM
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edmonton_skier
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no you are all wrong but im tired and wontm say wh....
Jul 8 2003 12:33PM
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Ahmets_Brother
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i think that a frontflip 360 should be called a misty 3

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Jul 8 2003 12:39PM
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this thread is funny
Jul 8 2003 12:42PM
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LC.
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This thread, and the hundreds of other 'what is this trick thread' is why NS needs a proper trick section, written by people who actually know what they are talking about, with video clips.
Jul 8 2003 1:18PM
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Jul 8 2003 1:34PM
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^ exactly



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Jul 8 2003 1:35PM
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sherLocke
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a textbook misty should not go inverted at all. a misty is a forward rolling spin. watch a clip of any decent misty and you can clearly see a 720 degree rotation. there is no flip therefore you cant say a flip plus a 360 is a misty 7, thats a front full and it looks gay. they are two completely different tricks. kamikazi once said this. 'think of misty as a forward rolling spin, like picture yourself running at a table, jumping onto it and landing on your back, rolling down it and rolling off the end and landing on your feet. its just like that.' i dont know shit about d-spins, so i hope that helps with mistys. just think spin before flip, not flip and spin at the same time and you shouldnt go inverted. and a bio is just a misty but more on a normal axis (not as tilted over)
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Jul 8 2003 2:53PM
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Gohuge22
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I know this thread is weird but nobody seems to agree on exactly what these tricks are.....
Jul 8 2003 5:49PM
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Warren
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Mike Douglas' Misty:


Jon Olsson's D-Spin:



Jul 9 2003 9:37AM
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holyDINOSAURS
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a misty is pretty much a shoulder roll. i throw them by thorwing my arms diagonally down from my shoulder. depending on howmuch spin i want ill change it around a little. but for a straight misty its a shoulder roll...but since its an offaxis flip does it count towards the final degrees? adn also...yes a backflip with a 360 is a Back Full...same wiht the front
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Jul 9 2003 7:41PM
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rossignolscratch
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im confused with the differece between a misty and a bio spin.
and the rodeo too cause ive seen some videos and its not wat i thought.





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Jul 9 2003 9:59PM
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wiglaf
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bios shouldnt go inverted and it is forward as u can get/ misty is a little different its off to the side more but still forward it doesnt matter if its inverted, just how hard u thrown it / textbook newschool rodeo is a lincoln with spin
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Jul 9 2003 10:10PM
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rossignolscratch
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ok thx.
i wasnt sure about the rodeo.so a ''sideflip 180'' is a rodeo 5?






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Jul 9 2003 10:27PM
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lanks
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a misty is to a front flip 180 as a rodeo is to a back flip 180.


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Jul 9 2003 10:30PM
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Ryno
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well if the backflip in a d-spin counts as 360, then tanner halls Dspin 1080 in freeze trick tips would really be a d spin 1440? would it not becasue he does 3 rotations
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Jul 9 2003 10:31PM
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rossignolscratch
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is a rodeo a backflip 180 or a dieflip 180????????





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Jul 9 2003 10:47PM
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rossignolscratch
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if a rodeo is a backflip 180 than wat is a flair?





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Jul 9 2003 10:48PM
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wiglaf
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its not, and tanner does a 1080 not a 14 in anyway
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Jul 9 2003 10:51PM
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270oUt
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Yo warren in the pic u put out there what is that a d-spin 7? and if it was more inverted like almost if he went totally inverted what would that be cause this stupid thread totally confused me about all this crap now!!!
Jul 9 2003 11:07PM
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wiglaf
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yeah its a d7 and if he goes more inverted its still 7, if you dont know what a rodeo is watch stereotype, in Mickaels part he does rodeo 5safety and crichton does rodeo 5 japan over gap at parkasursas
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Jul 9 2003 11:15PM
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cj
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a misty is a corked out forward roll rockbottem with a doubble helli. a d-spin is a rodeo corked out backward doubble helli spin.


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Jul 9 2003 11:31PM
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270oUt
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is there any difference between a d-spin 7 and a cork 7?
Jul 10 2003 12:14AM
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dave_euler
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a d-spin is inverted
Jul 10 2003 12:14AM
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cj
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a d-spin is done with a toxic grab, a cork is done with a tail grab.


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Jul 10 2003 12:20AM
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cj
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rodeos are done only with japan grabs and cork 3 can only be done with safty.


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Jul 10 2003 12:23AM
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NoTeefa
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tanner doesnt do a dspin 1080, its a goddamn cork 1080


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Jul 10 2003 3:31AM
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Warren
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270oUt, let's start at the purest:

Back-full (mobius loop) - there a completely vertical backflip (360°) plus a full twist (360°) = 720°. You end up back on your feet facing the same direction. The twist usually doesn't start until half way through the flip in order to maintain the integrity of the flip.

D-spin 7 - the backflip does not go completely vertical because the twist is started earlier than in a back-full (you can see this by the third frame of Jon's sequence). Historical note: Mike D's anxiety when learning the back-full on the water ramp caused him start the twist early, hence a new trick was born.

Because the flip is not perfectly vertical, it is less than 360°, but I still need to end up back on my feet facing the same direction (720°). More twist gets added automatically (a biomechanical phenomenon known as tilt twisting). For argument's sake, let's just say the backflip component comprises 270°, then 450° needs to be made up by the twist.

Corked 7 - The backflip NEVER gets past horizontal (<180°). The rest is all twist (>540°). Since the twist is the key here, starting it very early and aggressively will ensure the flip doesn't really materialize.

If there's interest, I can add a trampoline video in the summer section demonstrating these 3 in order.



Jul 10 2003 11:07AM
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cj
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That is a great description. Add the vides so these littles kiddies will shut up.


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