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Forward D-spin?

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bpalmer
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Anybody know what it's called when you like bio into a front flip, like the counterpart of corking into a backflip(d-spin 7)?


I've heard the term critical flip applied to it, but I don't know.
Aug 15 2006 7:56PM
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R.Fahey
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some sorta hanus misty? A long time ago when CR was like 14, he would do they really wierd misty's that are sorta what you're talking about, then they eventually turned into his Bio. Either way, it's sick.
Aug 15 2006 8:10PM
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skiierman
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^ Yeah it's either just a weird misty or a wicked off axis bio. It could have a name, who knows.
Aug 15 2006 8:17PM
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BCKicker540
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its a bio, but it what you described is probably impossible. to huck yourself forward until youre inverted and then come back the same way would be madness.
Aug 15 2006 8:25PM
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Burrito
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You wouldn't go back the same way.  A d-spin is a spinning backflip, so you would kust do a spinning front flip.  That is, you take it all the way around in the same direction.
Aug 15 2006 9:56PM
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RudyGarmisch
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There was a thread on this a few years ago after someone posted a forward d-spin. I think a few people were calling it an "orbital" or something. I really have only seen one on video however, and havent heard of them since.
Aug 15 2006 11:06PM
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FigmentFilmski
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i vaguely remember that
Aug 15 2006 11:11PM
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AChoquette
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could be sick
Aug 15 2006 11:16PM
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CBROOKS
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misty, or sloppy ass front full
Aug 15 2006 11:22PM
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BigJew
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Yup, an off axis front full. D-spin is just another name for an off axis (sloppy) back full.
Aug 16 2006 12:00AM
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CHARLES.BRONSON
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it would be a misty. so many people mistake mistys for bios, they're not the same motion~! a bio is not an un inverted misty!
Aug 16 2006 1:38AM
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RudyGarmisch
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Ok, a forward D-spin would not be a bio. It would be like a bio, as bio's are forward thrown corks. Comming out of it would be a really weird manuver. And it wouldnt be a misty. A misty is the same rotation as a rodeo, just thrown forwards.

What we're talking about doing is a D-spin like motion. Since a D-spin is really just a cork three to sort of off axis backflip, a forward D-spin (or orbital) would be more like a Bio 3 (which would be very very odd...) to an off axis front. And I really cant see that trick at all in my head. I'm going to give one a shot tomorrow, I'll post a sketch if it looks like anything.

(also, I know I someone is going to bitch about me saying "cork to backflip" to describe a D, but seriously, thats what it looks like frame by frame)
Aug 16 2006 3:33AM
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theswede
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Talking about forward d-spins, is it possible to do a SWITCH D-SPIN? Never ever seen one or even heard of one. In my head it seems impossible, like it would automatically turn in to a sw rodeo. Otherwise you would crash..
Aug 16 2006 7:35AM
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Geoffrey
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switch d-spin = mik d at the US Open big air like 2 years ago. His sw 10 was deffinatly inverted.
Aug 16 2006 8:03AM
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theswede
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Just watched that sw 10 by Mik D in Forward. It's tough to say whether he's inverted or not, I really think it's more just really corked out. I mean his head is never below his feet.
Aug 16 2006 9:55AM
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Geoffrey
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its not the one from forward... im talking about the switch ten he did the year after that.
Aug 16 2006 10:12AM
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thejackal1177
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who gives a poop... if it looks cool do it.. if it something noones done before... do it
Aug 16 2006 11:08AM
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4ReeL_
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i think ts like a misty but not a gay
Aug 16 2006 11:14AM
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GhostfaceKillah
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how are misty's gay?
Aug 16 2006 12:59PM
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skiierman
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How could you? You wheren't even a part of this site that long ago.
Aug 16 2006 2:05PM
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CHARLES.BRONSON
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it is a sw inverted cork 10, aka "d spin" aka "douglas spin"

A d spin is an inverted cork. some people do them smoothly, some people end em like theyre dropping out of a backflip, either way, inverted cork aka "d spin"

Rekker, Misty is not the opposite of rodeo or a rodeo forward. undeflip would be the rodeos counterpart.

rodeo, lincoln to the right, spin left.

underflip, lincoln to the right spin right.

bio, very much like a gentle flatspin, watch andreas wiig do them, he does true bios.
Aug 16 2006 9:46PM
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treesmann
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ogt it right there, i dont think it has a real name
Aug 16 2006 10:29PM
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RudyGarmisch
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https://www.newschoolers.com/ns3/web/forums/readthread.php?thread_id=221589&
Aug 16 2006 11:00PM
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RudyGarmisch
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I dont agree with this definition, mainly because a rodeo is on a different axis than an underflip. Lots of people spin one direction and drop a different shoulder when doing lincolns. You can drop either shoulder and spin either way to do either trick; an underflip is just a different type of rotation, independant from which way you drop or spin.
Aug 16 2006 11:09PM
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dweezileast
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rowen is right, a misty is the forward counterpart of a rodeo. and rodeos arent thrown like underflips at all
Aug 16 2006 11:22PM
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bpalmer
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Well guys the reason I ask is because I think I am doing them on trampolines. I set it like a bio, but it looks like a reaaaaaly off axis front full, the way a d-spin looks like a really off axis back full, but like a d-spin, the spin and flip are somewhat seperated.

really what it looks like is a super flat rotation and i just sort of tuck the flip out.

i'm going to try and get a video of it, because i have heard of bio-d-spin sort of variations but never seen it done, so i don't know. I'm certain its possible on skis, but I don't know how it would look.




And underflips are most certainly NOT the counterpart to rodeos, its a completely different rotation pattern with a completely different set up. as usually, Rekker is right.
Aug 17 2006 12:24AM
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BigJew
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I'm going to have to say, you're wrong. You can do a Cork and go inverted and it still be a cork, in a Dspin you come over your head to land but on a cork you go corked and then come back to your feet.
Aug 17 2006 1:07AM
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CHARLES.BRONSON
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haha fine, keep thinking you're right, i mean i didn't make a half assed thread explaining all the flips and rotations wrong then have to make a second one.

and if inverted corks, and "douglas spins" are so different, then why is there no d-spin, or d-spin with a different name in snowboarding?
Aug 17 2006 1:55AM
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RudyGarmisch
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Dude, I made a second one because I wanted to include more definitions and more video examples. I also clarified underflips, which people to this day are still generally confused on. What is in the second trick guide is what the majority of NS agrees on. The reason for me making that thread was just to try and clarify and set some solid definitions down for what is what, and the second one is edited so that it agree's with the majority of NS members. And fuck you if you call that shit half assed, you go and put together a better one in your free time between your classes.

And I have never once stated that a D-spin is a different type of rotation than a cork. A d-spin is just what we use to call a cork that goes inverted. Snowboarders just call ever off axis trick like that a cork, no matter how inverted you get. But we call a cork that goes inverted a D-spin. I dont know why we do, but if you want to change it, start calling d-spins 'corks' so you can relate to snowboarders better.

I'm not going to argue with you about who is right, because tricks and naming stuff is all relative. As someone told me once, you could call going switch going "dog poop", and it would still look the same. But we have commonly accepted names for tricks in this sport, whether you want to use them or not, and the majority of us do. So, by all means, disagree with me, I'm not one to correct you. Call it whatever you want for all I care, but just realize that you're going to be on a different page than a lot of people.
Aug 17 2006 2:49AM
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theswede
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ahaa, where can I see that?
Aug 17 2006 7:08AM
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bpalmer
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whoa whoa whoa man. What Rekker did in that thread was not only extremely difficult, with convoluted definitions of tricks that look different every time, it was pretty cool of him to take his time to explain that stuff. I'm not sure Rek and I agree on every single trick, but then, no one ever will, but that doesn't stop me from appreciating what he did with those threads.

I think most of NS will agree with me on this.
Aug 17 2006 8:57AM
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UFOsarereal
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1. I don't think I've ever seen a half-assed Rekker thread on here.
2. who cares about what snowboarders are calling shit. You referenced Andreas Wiig as an example, but he's taking off sideways as opposed to straight like a skier, because he's on a snowboard. It would help your case if you could find a skier to reference, as that is the sport you're debating about, and that would be an example that fits. Of course snowboarding will look and be named different - its not skiing.
Aug 17 2006 10:53AM
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dweezileast
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nope, it was just ridiculously corked.
Aug 17 2006 12:34PM
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bpalmer
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Agreed on both counts.


On a better note, great bio and flatspin example is Andreas Hatveit in War. He throws (i think) a flat 5, flat 7, and bio 9 in that segment. Really cool stuff.
Aug 17 2006 1:55PM
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Casey
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Jon Olsson did like a million switch D-spin 9's and he throws them foward..
Aug 17 2006 4:33PM
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RudyGarmisch
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Switch misty 9, he does a complete rolling inversion, just like a misty.  And those look fucking SICK.
Aug 17 2006 4:48PM
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knal
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i remeber them being called rock bottoms
Aug 17 2006 4:50PM
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theswede
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bump.. so the conclusion from my question about SWITCH D-spins, is that they have never been done and therefore are impossible?
Aug 19 2006 11:08AM
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LC.
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There were videos of CR doing "forward D-spins" about three years ago, and talk of it being called a "rock bottom". It was like a bio 7 but fully inverted, coming out of it like the a frontflip, ie. straighter than a misty 7.
Aug 19 2006 6:04PM
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bpalmer
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THIS is what im talking about. does anybody have this video??????




thank you CR
Aug 20 2006 8:33PM
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codizzle
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CR used to do a 'rock bottom'. kind of a bio'd-out type of trick.
Aug 20 2006 11:28PM
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RudyGarmisch
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They're definently possible, but seeing how much skill a switch cork takes, I doubt that anyone can consistently do them. However, I would love for someone to post a video to prove what I've said wrong.
Aug 21 2006 2:29AM
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bpalmer
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in one video, i think the roundtop mammoth video, somebody is doing pretty inverted switch 7's.
Aug 21 2006 10:46AM
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AppSkier
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its called a ROCKBOTTOM.

Aug 21 2006 12:10PM
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