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Progression of bindings....??

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BIGairVZ
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While laying in bed and thinking about random shit I started to think of what bindings will become in 10-15 years????
--- In other words, what will bindings progress to in order to not pre-release(or release under lots of pressure), but still not injure your legs or knees..... I'm thinkin some sort of strong ass magnet or something. Any ideas??
Jul 3 2006 6:58PM
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Burrito
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I think eventually companies will figure out a way to make each piece (toe and heel) release side to side and upward. My idea is basically two toe pieces, but I haven't thought about a way to click in.
Jul 3 2006 7:15PM
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BIGairVZ
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^bindings that are made for freeskiing already release 4 ways.
Jul 3 2006 7:28PM
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RudyGarmisch
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I see them being phased out eventually. I think bindings will slowly just become a device on the bottom of your boot, that comes specially made to fit your boot. It'll attach to your ski via a universally used mounting plate system, and you can set it forwards or backwards without drilling, depending on what kind of skiing you want to do that day. When you crash, the small binding plate ont the bottom of your boot will recognize the appropriate stress in the system, determine if its a crash, and release. You can also set your bindings to "never release" if you are skiing big burly BC lines and dont want to hike to get your skis, or if you are Aaron McGovern.
Jul 3 2006 7:36PM
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papasteeze
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I want to see the line reactor perfected.
Jul 3 2006 8:06PM
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LC.
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Elan are doing that now.
Jul 3 2006 8:38PM
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poofartpee
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.................................
Jul 3 2006 8:44PM
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m1garand
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yea same here - the concept is there but now it needs to way about 300 lbs less.
Jul 4 2006 12:09AM
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steezeninja
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I bet theres going to be a little microchip in the bindings thats going to learn from your skiing and get really smart, or somehting like that.
Jul 4 2006 12:56AM
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eheath
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Wow you know nothing about skiing at all do you, buritto?
Jul 4 2006 1:02AM
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eheath
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*burrito
Jul 4 2006 1:02AM
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ski_cartel
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i thought it was nordica that came up with the new flex system for thre integrated bindings. I know Elan has been focising alot on their new speed wave ski which i cant waight ti try out, but i didnt think they cam up with that
Jul 4 2006 2:28AM
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lalalalaura
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ACL friendly bindings would be delicious.
Jul 4 2006 3:51AM
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jfuller
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^hahahhahahahahah
Jul 4 2006 5:22AM
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LC.
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Have a look on their site. They call it the Fusion system. The Speedwave concept is a nice idea but I skied the 12 and 14 last spring and thought they were nothing special.
Jul 4 2006 5:34AM
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timmi
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i think the whole idea of a "binding" is rediculus.
we should all go back in time to just using a string to hold ourselves in. lets see you hit a 70 foot jump being held in by a shoelace.
Jul 4 2006 9:46AM
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papasteeze
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Line reactors.. I took them to my OS (who also skis) mechanically they are what the sport needs to help lessen ACL injuries.. Unfortunately they don't hold up in the park and they are really heavy
Jul 4 2006 9:52AM
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Uncle_Remus
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^ stupid question what an os?
and the interview w/ j lev many questions were asked about the rebith of the reactor and his anwser was pretty promsing
Jul 4 2006 10:00AM
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mrkristofo
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orthopedic surgeon
Jul 4 2006 10:23AM
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Mex_LineJib^a
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maybe with k2 buying line and all we could see a new and improved version of the reactor in the near future. hope that happens cus i was really happy with my reactors... until they broke
Jul 4 2006 11:21AM
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Burrito
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What makes you say that? The big thing with the Line bindings is that the heel and toe pieces released lateraly (correct me if I'm wrong, but that's what I got from their whole "backwards twisting falls" explanation.) At the moment, toe pieces release lateraly and vertically, but heels only release vertically. That is, those releases are controlled by the DIN. It is possible for your heel to slide out to the side, but their is no mechanism to control its release.

With the weight issue aside, why not through a couple of wings onto the heel piece? When you click in, they would tighten around you heel just like a toepiece.
Jul 4 2006 11:35AM
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Uncle_Remus
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ya thats what the line binding does the toe and heel move as one thats why they were heavy beacausy the toe and heel need to be connected. as for the wings on the heel it would work but it would be hard to refine and make light
Jul 4 2006 11:47AM
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IHOP
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Idealistically, I hope that ski bindings and skis become a lot cheaper and easier to mount and tweak yourself, like snowboards.
Jul 4 2006 12:39PM
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BIGairVZ
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See that's the thing... give it 10-15 years and think of what they'll have refined then. The wing heel idea is nice though.
Jul 5 2006 2:20PM
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theguynextdoor91
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yeh that would be amazing
Jul 5 2006 2:29PM
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Grimace.
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who doesnt
Jul 5 2006 2:31PM
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BurgRider
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for sure...
Jul 5 2006 3:22PM
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albatross.
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so far, judging by the new look bindings, its regression.

horray! i didnt need these ligaments anyway.
Jul 5 2006 4:17PM
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Tinga
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like lines six pack idea i think thats pretty sick
Jul 5 2006 4:26PM
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Poormansvault
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I hope they figure out how to make AT bindings behave exactly like alpine bindings when locked down, and completely touring friendly when not. They will also (hopefully) become cheaper (please).
Jul 5 2006 4:34PM
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eheath
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because binding already do that dude.
Jul 5 2006 4:43PM
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fdsa
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Um. There's something people fail to realize. If bindings are gonna flex wit the rest of the ski, then boots are gonna have to be made outa some soft-ass material. Because it's the boot sole, not the binding that makes the flat spot on the ski.
Jul 5 2006 6:35PM
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MLB
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Elan fusion......even if you don't carve......you will LOVE to ride these.
Jul 5 2006 6:37PM
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ski_cartel
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yea i checked it out after i posted last time, i like the system idea but i see there being proplems down the road that will need polishing.
Really you didnt like the speedwaves? they are probably one
of the most anticipated skis for next season that i want to try, just because they are a new tech comcept that hasnt been thought of
Jul 5 2006 7:25PM
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B-Wald
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nah man. it's the fact that the bindings are stuck in a single spot that makes the flat spot. check out the marker/volkl motion system. it's anchored in one spot, so it allows the ski to flex. because the heelpiece can slide, it allows the ski to come away from the boot during flex, and make a full arc. sure, it's not perfect, but it's a step in the right direction.
Jul 5 2006 9:46PM
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CTD
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for park skis, a slight flat spot in the ski isnt an issue. but a center mounted binding would solve that. the dude talkin bot the boot thing, there is a company that makes releasable snowboard binding plates, they are fairly thin and work in a similar fashion. i think something like that could definatly work. itd just have to be thin. thats what i want, low profile. i think if line eliminated the center binding spring, it could signifigantly reduce wieght and standover.

and also, tyrolica does or used to make heelpeices that swung out to the side, similar to a reactor, but not quite as good
Jul 5 2006 10:21PM
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180FSscratch
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eyah who needs a 18 din setting, i mean 14 is stickin to you like a cheap hooker, 18 i feel like the binding would snap before it let go
Jul 5 2006 10:36PM
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Uncle_Remus
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what it that is it part of the big middle plate that the ski was mounted to and if that was gone would it affect the simultanous realese of toe and heel and make the whole thing worhtless
Jul 5 2006 10:42PM
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Uncle_Remus
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^ also i think that all binding companys should make a low weight and height adapter plate to fit the 4 holes and that those 4 holes would be on all parks skis for better flex and what not
Jul 5 2006 10:44PM
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St.Steezy
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^the binding would pull out of the ski, atleast that is what happened to me.
Jul 5 2006 10:44PM
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Uncle_Remus
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what how? please explain
Jul 5 2006 10:59PM
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fdsa
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True. We need like, a system that suspends the boot off the surface of the ski, like half an inch.
Jul 6 2006 12:05PM
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LC.
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No, Elan has their own system called Fusion which uses Tyrolia bindings. Look it up.
Jul 6 2006 7:25PM
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r.w
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Here are really old bindings:
Click for larger image

Here is a mid-age binding:
Click for larger image

Here are some present day bindings:
[IMG]http://image.www.rakuten.co.jp/websports/img10301545647.jpeg[/IMG]

you tell me the differences..
Jul 6 2006 7:34PM
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r.w
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^^^^^^

[IMG]http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://image.www.rakuten.co.jp/websports/img10301545647.jpeg&imgrefurl=http://www.rakuten.co.jp/websports/462746/643741/&h=270&w=396&sz=13&hl=en&start=6&tbnid=mlU_JHEYUXSGHM:&tbnh=81&tbnw=120&prev=/images%3Fq%3DLook%2BP12%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG[/IMG]
Jul 6 2006 7:36PM
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r.w
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fuck
Jul 6 2006 7:36PM
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Hedekar
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Bindings are for pussies. Just screw your boots onto your skis and send it. How's that for "progression".
Jul 7 2006 12:41AM
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NWFlow
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I'd really, really like to see the concept of one pair of bindings that are interchangeable between all pairs of skis (basically the line reactor concept) worked out, snowboarders definitely have us beat there.
Jul 7 2006 1:15AM
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Uncle_Remus
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^^ ya thats key but for that to happen every ski and binding company would have to agree, and that is hard to do it was easer for snowboarding to do it beacause it started w/ a big company in the beggning. in skiing its starting w/ a small company at the middle but hopefully k2 will be smart and use the quickmount on there and some other companys will follow in thier foot steps creating a single binder hole patter for skis. but then all the other binding companys would also have to adapt and make there bindings also have the hole pattern wich could be more difficult
Jul 7 2006 9:07AM
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