Alright all you athiests

yes. simple huh?

Ok, here's a plausible explanation. I will start off only with the formation of amino acids from your basic chemical gases, like your methane and ammonia. Gases are made of atoms, and these atoms have a certain arrangement in order to accomodate for the difference between different chemical elements, right? So imagine that a large electrical current strikes the atoms. Oh yeah, atoms are connected by things called bonds. The bonds are broken by the thermal energy released by the electrical current. This is because heat is a catalyst. It can make the dissociation of chemical bonds faster. So the bonds break.

Ok, say so if you don't follow. Now you have some free atoms. After the electrical charge has passed through them, new bonds form. These bonds are different because of the different kinetics of the molecules and component atoms. The rearrangement of bonds causes some new elements in the picture. These are called amino acids. They form DNA. Tell me if you don't follow just to this point.

Jasmine

lol there is such a huuuge amount of evidence pinting to the fact that the purpose of life is to reproduce. but since no1 is arguing with this thought, itd be pointless to reenforce

that is exactly what i am saying.. dont tell me you never took an extra cookie when you knew you werent allowed and didnt feel bad about it.. and that feeling of guilt was directly caused by a release of certain hormones in your body.. it had nothing to do with what someone told you. the morals in the bible or any other holy book, are there because the guys who wrote it, felt the same hormonal im balances caused by guilt that we feel today and decided to write it down in a code to live by, they unfortunaltly didnt have the advanced science we have today and couldnt explain alot of things so they made up god, what we now know to be caused by chemicals being released by your body they at that time believed was some greater power punishing them.

hell yeah man.. who doesnt want to bone? honestly, why would someone not want to mate? WOOOO SEX

ditto.

if ever there was a truly caring god who granted life out of compassion, then events such as the Holocaust would never have occurred.

i think my mom still believes in god, but a couple days after 9/11, i saw her crying and she said she doesn't know if god exists anymore or not.

purpose of life?

well its mostly right... amino acids dont make up DNA, DNA is exactly what it stands for, Deoxyribonucleic Acid, it is a nucleic acid, and the sequence of nitrogenous bases is what codes for the sequence amino acids are to be joined to make different proteins, proteins are the building blocks of all life. yay proteins.

yeah i forgot to answer that part.. but as was said above, its about having sex and having a good time... and i like to add to it that if you have strong enough morals you will do your best to not fuck the place up so badly that people to come after you wont be able to have a good time.

personally, i believe in a sort of "hybrid" between science and Christianity. I believe in God, Jesus, etc., but I also believe in evolution etc. Some parts of the Bible I think are able to be interpreted by any one person. For example:

1. Earth created in 7 days:
Perhaps referring to the final 7 days, where all the major characteristics that are described in the Bible are done.

2. Adam and Eve:
Perhaps the first two primates to "make it over the hump" to Homo Sapiens. Garden of Eden being where it happened.

Dude, who's side are you on??? Haha, j/k.

I thought amino acids were the building blocks of peptides which eventually form proteins by way of some advanced biochem shizz. Whatever, good to know.

well a peptide in an amino acid they are just different names for the same thing, a protein is a "polypeptide". i was just correcting you because i wouldnt want those religious folks to think all us atheists dont really know what we are talking about.. but yes you were entirely correct with your post you just confused nucleotides with amino acids... however they both came about in the same way.

but why have a good time? who or what wants you to have a good time?

Ok--

FIRST: Some of you need the calm down. The problem of evil is very relevant in a debate about the existence of the God referred to in Chrisianity.

There could very well be a "superior being" that, without necessarly being malevolant, simply put things into place.

And, quite simply, he does exist. Just consider that SOMETHING, can't come out of NOTHING. A big bang, couldn not just "happen". Matter isn't CREATED in this world, it's only changed from one shape to another... There fucking HAS to be another source. And "it" (God, Allah, Karma, whatever you want to call it or Him), can't be qualified as SOMETHING. It just is.

No one will EVER be able to prove that SOMETHING can come out of NOTHING.

SECOND: Who the fuck mentionned free will? Free will doesn't exist. Everything we do is chosen, not out of free will, but out of a limited number of options to make our lives more secure.

No one will ever intentionnaly make a decision that will make their life less secure. Free will doesn't exist.

AND LAST: Now if this WAS a debate about the existence of God as referred to in the Bible, than our friend that talked about the problem of evil is indeed correct. Contradict that shit, lemmings.

i want to have a good time. thats who.

if you want to look at it religiously you do everything for god so that you go to heaven and guess what you do in heaven...

YOU HAVE A GOOD TIME

WOOOO PARTY IN THE CLOUDS

WOOOOO

haha sweet man, go have fun.

hey look at the old message history here.. i love it when people move to PMs to try and hide themselves being owned from everyone else while still trying to maintain dignity by continuing to debate

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well i seemed to provide you with an at least half decent answer as to what energy is and where it comes from, where as you are un able to tell me were god comes from.

all god was, was a reason for being untill we developed our sciences enough to understand for ourselves... and all religion was, was a way for the intelligent people to gain and maintain control over less inteligent people, once they were in power knowledge became bad.. this is how they maintained control, by making people scared of discovering things on thier own which is why religion was the governing body of rules and law throughout so much of human history.

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i dont know

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how did god come to be?

it goes both ways, but as i said earlier, energy does not have mass, and therefore is not considered matter, so it exists, but it simlutaeneously does not exist. energy is nothing but it is also something... it is very difficult for someone to understand unless they have heavily researched quantum physics.

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how does energy come to be?

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absolutely.. proven scientific fact, if you go to school talk to a physics teacher they will explain it all to you.

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so you're saying that energy has always been and always will be "there forever"

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no there has been energy for ever. you could argue god is simply energy in the form of photons, ie electromagnetic radiation is the sence that all matter came from this energy slowly combining into mass, despite the fact energy has no mass, im sure you have heard of the E=MC^2 equation which relates energy to mass, meaning with energy should it combine in the right quantities at the right time, mass and therefore matter can be made. look at things such as entropy, everything that happens if you know your laws of thermodynamics leads to useless waste energy, aka HEAT. now after billions of years there will no longer be matter because it will have all converted back into energy.. and eventually this energy will come together and restart the whole process again and create a "second" big bang. you see. there is no such thing as 'something from nothing' everything comes out of everything. there always has been and always will be. there is NO spontaneous creation of matter or energy.

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something from nothing didnt happen? i dont understand why you are trying to say, and yes i have read the experiemtns over and over explain what you mean when you say something from nothing did not happen

a "good time" is getting closer to reproducing. yeah, i said it. Everything that get you closer to reproducing feels good. stuff that gets you farther away feels bad. eating and drinking feels good because it keeps you alive. anything that will help our species survive feels good. humans are designed so that our goals in life will revolve around keeping our species alive. Things that naturally release dopamines and other hormanes that make us feel good all revolve around this principle.

dont belive me? go chug a bunch of water, and youll probably be able to feel the hormones right after your done chugging. Still dont belive me? go have sex, and tell me that it doesnt feel good.

post the whole thing and dont be lame.

besides neither of us have proven anything 100% and i was only pming you so i could get a better explaination about what you were saying about something out of nothing

that is the whole thing.. you can post it too if you want.. it will be the exact same except for the PM i just got from you after i posted that.

well i am pretty sure i along with most other have infact proved things with references to studies and examples from everyday life. you are the only one who has not proven anything with factual information. speak for yourself bud.

There is absolutly NO WAY that either side will convince the other. No matter what "proof" or "evidence" is presented.

As for me, it is all just to good to have just happend and there not to have been a God to creat it all. I look at the mountains and the sea in all of its beauty, and I cant see how it wasnt created. And yes, sex is to good to have been something that just happend that way.

why are you not going to have fun? are you emo, would you rather sit around and mope all day. even religious people are here to have a good time hence the reason they all work so hard so they can go to heaven.. where as i believe there is no heaven and we just rot in the ground when we die, so it means we need to enjoy living right now rather than looking forward to die.

you still cant tell me 100% how i got here.

Exactly dudes. Even if Jesus came down from the sky in front of me and said "Nolan! Nolan! Chritianity is 100% true! There's no such thing as evolution, or dinosaurs, or time older than 5000 years!" I'd still believe in evolution and in a "neutral" superior being.

Ehh.. Nolan is my name by the way.

science = theory, same as religion.

you have always been here in the form of either mass or energy, you just havent always had conciseness.

no, you are an idiot for saying that

besides, theoritically it makes more sense to believe in a god than not to because if you do believe and god doesnt exist, then what have you lost? nothing. if god does exist and you do believe, then you gain everything. if you dont believe you wont gain anything eitherway.

yes i can. and i already have if you would have cared to read my posts the way i have cared to read yours.

look i gave you an explaination from where the energy that created the big bamg came from (though i admit it wasnt very good.. but go talk to a physics professor and they will explain it quite well)... however you could not explain to me where god came from, so as far as anyone with an Intelligence Quotient higher than 50 would figure out... science explains our existance alot more that religion does.

science is not entirely factual. thats why it changes.

Nobody really knows where everything came from, scientists and pastors alike. Scientists cant see past what happened in the Big Bang (Theory), so its thier guess to as what created everything. Everyone has theories however. Some people think that our universe expands and contracts to a infinite point over time, while others thing matter is created by other dimensions. Others think some supernatural being created everything.


The facts are, we dont know. Nobody does. People believe many things as to the question of where this all came from, but it is impossible right now for anyone to have an answer.

The real argument shouldnt be about our answers. Why do we try and prove an answer? Why do we need one? I'm sorta happy with the idea of us not knowing where the universe came from, am I weird?

Oh... but that's juste "fake believe" my friend. Are you implying that if I believe in a neutral superior being that simply put things into places... and that I'm wrong... I'm condemened to ETERNAL DAMNATION IN HELL????

well no, but how can you recieve anything if you dont believe?

so are you saying that Newton's laws are really just thoeries?

scientific laws do exist. not everything in science is a law.

now that is just getting far fetched...

if you dont play the lottery you will never win, but if you do play the lottery even though it is more likely to be struck by lightning 3 times than it is to win the jack pot, if you dont play the lottery you will never win.

But that "believing" is essentially only there if you're born in the sociological environnement that makes that you do believe, or if you have a type of personnality that connects with Christianity (as in gullible or desperate, sorry)...

i.e I would most probably be an uber-believer had I been born in a religious context or family.

and everything in religion is a law simply because some powerful people said it was.. at least sciences law have logical reasoning, and experimental proof behind them.

but you said "science = theory" implying that all science is theoretical

im pretty sure i can believe in a god without being raised in a religion, or without being connected with christianity. you dont need to be apart of a church to believe that a supernatural power is out there.

Not really. Becaue Apostle Paul says that if all this christianity stuff is fake, that christians are to be pitied the most (paraphrased).

It also seems to me that many here believe that if you are a "christian", it meens that you cannot have (or wont be having) fun. Correct me about that if im wrong, but I did say most not all. This is not the way it was ever ment to be.

thats the difference between a belief and an idea.... spread your idea and it becomes a belief and then you are rasing a religion.

keep your ideas to your self, no idea of a supernatural power relies on anyone else. just your self

how can you pity someone if you're dead and there is no afterlife? and if you really want to know i have no religious affiliation because i don't like any of them.

there are "supernatural" connections, however they can still be explained in scientific ways... uneducated people will look at stars and make up constellations and stories becuase they dont have the ability without an educated science background to understand what they are... as for feelings towards other people that is all due to biological chemicals like pheromones which are released by others and picked up by you, and the fact that humans evolved as social organisms, as for the wonderful feeling you get when you look out over a vast sea of green after climbing the tallest tree in the forest... it is because you set out on a goal to climb the tree for one and we have evolved to release chemicals like serotonin ("happy hormone") when we do something good because it allows us to continue wanting to do these things, this helps ensure the survival of the species. the feeling from looking out is simply the minds realization that we are very small and that there is alot out there we as a single organism will not be able to ever experience... it is not a connection to a greater power what so ever.

if everyone kept their ideas to themselves then we would still be primitive beings and would not even be discussing anything.

oh my goodness.. did you just make an arguament that had to do with humans evolution as a social animal... congatualtions... you have made a big step in kicking the religion habit.

wow....ideas on the basis of religion.

are you that dull?

well i am debating religion and you do know how old fashioned that is!!!