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Movies "Made" by someone

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Sexpert
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Well for some reason the mods don't like this topic because it got deleted once...

Putting "A movie by so-and-so" in your video is just plain lame. No one person makes a movie happen. The athletes, filmers, editors, photographers, and many, many other people are just as important if not more so than one man who puts his name on the cover, and intro, and outro and credits.
Nov 26 2005 11:08PM
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Melvs
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Well, in the ski movie industry wehre the name is put there, it's because that person has done the majority of the work.

Berman, yup, he films most, edits most, and does most of the work on the movie. Jonny D... You guessed it, SAME THING. So go ahead, keep barking up this 'lame' tree, btu you're wrong, in many ways, so just stop talking about this.
Nov 26 2005 11:33PM
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freezed
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making movies at all is lame.
Nov 27 2005 12:10AM
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Phrosty
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have you ever made a movie? probably not. There's usually one person doing 90% of the movie work.
Nov 27 2005 12:36AM
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bret
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word.
Nov 27 2005 1:19AM
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JoshB
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I made a movie happen once...
Nov 27 2005 1:30AM
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skodeo7
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what he said...
Nov 27 2005 3:47AM
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Sexpert
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You guys are all idiots... 90% of the work? Who edits the Poorboys movies (which takes the most time by far)? According to the credits, not Johnny. Besides even Berman who probably does do alot of work stil doesnt make a trick look good. Whenever I watch a ski movie with anyone who snowboards they give a little chuckle whenever they see the "A John Decasere film". It's lame. It shouldnt be done anymore.
Nov 28 2005 1:21AM
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freezed
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we are all idiots.

I get it.
Nov 28 2005 1:25AM
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Melvs
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No, you're still wrong.
Nov 28 2005 1:25AM
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bmxican_89
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yeah and so did paris hilton! you ain got shit!

i mean come one-"a night in paris" or "shanghai 6"?
Nov 28 2005 1:31AM
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Dakoulas
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I'll just use Poorboyz as an example, Johhny plans and arranges everything. He is the one who has to communicate with all the sponsors to try to get money so he can send certain athletes to places to get footage. He is also a cinematographer, helps edit, and pretty much does everything. While all these people might have their own certain part in the equation, he is the one who helps with every aspect and makes it all come together.

By the way, I don't hear you bitching about all the other big time movies. I.E. Star Wars where it's a "George Lucas Film", I'm sure a hell of a lot more people are involved with that movie than there are in all these ski movies.
Nov 28 2005 1:33AM
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JTK
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warren miller put his name on his movies for 50 years...
Nov 28 2005 3:00AM
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pmills
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it'd be like an artist not putting his name on his artwork, or a composer not putting his name on his score...
Nov 28 2005 3:03AM
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Crock360
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read his bio sometime and tell me he doesn't deserve to. Sure his movies are a little lame to us now, but he kinda pioneered skiing cinema.
Nov 28 2005 3:26AM
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fr33rid3r
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alot of the time its "a movie by" and then a company name douchebag. warren miller films is also a company
Nov 28 2005 3:28AM
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ItsPhil
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my mom used to get mad when my dad would take credit for making 'their' movies. they never let me watch them though
Nov 28 2005 3:29AM
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JTK
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im just saying its not a big deal...and crock360, warren miller is the man, and yeah ive seen his movies for the last 20 years.
Nov 28 2005 3:52AM
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MadTrix4Me
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Here's an idea, if I make a movie, I'm probably going to want people to know it was me that made it...yes other people were involved...but is Tanner gonna have to start thanking the guy that built the jump because he couldn't have done it without him?
Nov 28 2005 4:52AM
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NickMartini
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or so i have heard........
Nov 28 2005 10:21AM
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Hctiws_iks
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yea, you are right that more than one person makes the movie happen, but one person does more work than someone else, and people like johnny and berman are in charge. they have full control over what they want in the movie for the very reason that its THEIRS, they decide how they want the movie to look, they ultimately decide how the movie is going to turn out and what to put in. people are not just making sections for them ect, even if people are helping with editing they have final say on whats going in.
Nov 28 2005 10:25AM
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Phrosty
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hmmm, film for 10 months edit for 2. o yea editing takes way longer.
Nov 28 2005 12:40PM
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bret
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Seriously just shut the fuck up already. Snowboard movies have this too. The Absinthe films, for example, say "Directed by Justin Hostynek and Patrick Armbruster." So really, maybe you just watch movies with people that are retarded. When it says that it's a movie by Johnny or by Berman, it means that person has creative control and ultimately is the person that makes the movie come together. Give credit where credit is due already and stop whining about something that doesn't affect you negatively in the least. You are a bitch.
Nov 28 2005 1:56PM
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skodeo7
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what I said also only applies at a certain level...not like pbp, warren miller, etc..
Nov 28 2005 2:27PM
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ECfreeski3
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do you have any idea how much work it is to get everything together to make a movie? berman for example not only does most of the shooting and editing, he also takes care of setting up the riders, trips, and shoots for the movie. he also is IN CHARGE and most of all RESPONSIBLE for being the leader of the whole operation. they do a shit load of work, by far the most, and therefore they are allowed to put their name on the cover, even if some kid on NS and his obviously superior snowboarder friends.
Nov 28 2005 3:22PM
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ECfreeski3
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...dont like it*
Nov 28 2005 3:23PM
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skifiend
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You are just making yourself sound stupid.

And I doubt you're any kind of sex expert.
Nov 28 2005 3:26PM
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Phrosty
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haha
Nov 28 2005 6:47PM
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Sexpert
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No, it's like a band calling themselves Nirvana, instead of the Kurt Cobain Band.

Absinthe films doesn't say the movie was made by one person. Instead they say "directed by so and so, edited by so and so, cinematography by so and so".

By saying " a johnny Decesare Movie" it sounds like he does everything and without him, there would be no movie. I know I'm picking on Johnny here, but I think skiing has moved past this.
Nov 28 2005 10:56PM
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CharlesB.
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^and when Steven Spielberg puts his name on a movie, he didn't play in the movie or anything, but geez he gave like his whle life up for a year to put together a movie. so yeah, he deserves his name on the movie, and so do ski movie producers.
Nov 28 2005 11:09PM
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Melvs
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he just doesn't get it... it's like kicking a dead horse.
Nov 28 2005 11:10PM
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bret
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You are a dumb fuck. Throughout the cinema industry "a movie by" means the exact same thing as "directed by." So when Absinthe says "directed by" it's the same as when Level 1 says "A Josh Berman film." It's not like they don't give the rest of the credits at the end. Seriously, get over it. The entire cinema industry works this way, not just the ski movie companies.
Nov 29 2005 12:24AM
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overcastfreeride
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Terrible post. Ski movies, just like films of others genres, are made by a director (like Johnny or Josh or Ostness) who possesses an artistic vision for how the film will be assembled. Of course the talent and others help to make the film happen, that's why they get big props in the credits. The director, however, assembles the movie with his own vision and montage. Quentin Tarantino and Oliver Stone have cast much larger than any ski director and they put their name on their work, its what filmmakers do.
Awful post, the "mods" probably removed it because its absolutely irrational, think before you write something so ill-informed.
Nov 29 2005 12:38AM
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Sexpert
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No. In Snowboard videos, you don't see the name in front of the title of the video in the intro, then in the outro and then in the credits again. And you don't see the name on the front cover, or on the DVD itself. And NEVER EVER do you see "a movie by" in snowboarding.
If you don't agree, whatever, but it IS different in snowboarding and they laugh at us for it.
Just trying to bring it up for discussion, but I guess no one else has the same mindset.
Nov 29 2005 1:34AM
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pmills
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it's because it's a retarded mindset. there is a difference between documenting shit and actualy capturing it. there is a reason why it's a profession, and not just amatures. otherwise videos on NS would be just as good as the videos that you buy. obviously production videos are better.
Nov 29 2005 1:54AM
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JoshB
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For what its worth, Sexpert has a decent point that I think does justify discussion... sometimes its appropriate for a director to put their name on a project, other times, its not as necessary, justified, or fitting.

However, sometimes one particular person IS in fact responsible for nearly every aspect of a project, and it REALLY is their deal, and theirs alone... liken it to a work of written fiction- would an author not use their own name? There are also situations where a director or producer's name is used as a selling point...

I will point out, however, that many snowboard filmmakers have put their names on projects in the past, even as bluntly as declaring "a film by ___________." Do note that many of the current major productions are in fact NOT directed by one person, and rather the project is a cooperative group effort. Also, note that many of the larger snowboard production companies have been around so long that they've had a few different people take the helm of some of their different projects- that, and they only need to rely on the recognition factor of the name of the company itself, rather then a director/producer.

My 2 cents.
Nov 29 2005 2:07AM
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Sexpert
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I'm pretty much just going on PBP here again, but saying that unless a name is on a video is the only reason its good, and the only difference between an amateur and professional video, is just plain rediculous.

Ever since someone pointed it out to me, its something thats just stuck in my head and really bothered me for some reason everytime I watch a PBP video.
Nov 29 2005 2:15AM
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MadTrix4Me
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...and just from a personal standpoint, I made a movie, and I did all of the filming, editing and producing by myself, so is it ok to put my name on it then? Because unless you were in Johnny D's house, you don't know what went in to making it...maybe he did do it all
Nov 29 2005 5:13AM
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Huckasorass
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Than just drink some beer while your watching them and less stuff will bother you.
I think Josh's post above yours should help clear up any misunderstandings you have.
Nov 29 2005 9:55AM
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quebecfreestyler
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claimer!!!!!!!

Well I guess theyaretheone that makes teh movie look god or bad.
Like you could give Berman footage to some random kid and he prolly couldnt make anything near as good as what Josh is doing with level one.

hose guy deservecredits just asmuch as the athletes. they arethe one putting money and countlesshour on the line to makemovies that are enjoyable to watch.
Nov 29 2005 11:31AM
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d-loc
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well you see my friend, filming is not skiing so yeah you make no sense.

skiing has nothing to do with filming and editing. skiers ski and do tricks, photographers film and edit.

it is in fact a johhny D film, featuring the skiers as riders.

whats so hard to understan lil teenager? this is simple logic, and yet u still fail.
Nov 29 2005 11:38AM
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Snowcase
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since u like snowboarding movies so much go watch them and leave ns
Nov 29 2005 12:05PM
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skifiend
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word. we worry about snowboarding WAY TOO MUCH on this site!
Nov 29 2005 1:49PM
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*DrewT*
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ussually one person does almost all the work. And they want a little credit for it. Also that person is ussually paying the other people to do the filming and what not so they are also putting their ass on the line for if it doenst turn out well
Nov 29 2005 1:56PM
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Sexpert
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I do know what it takes to make a movie, I am not a teenager, and I have seen people put in countless hours of work to get one shot on film and get little to no recognition for it other than being a part of a crew.
For someone like Johnny who has guys do his editing, filming and photography to call it his movie, isn't what should be happening in ski movies.
If I had 16mm cameras, computers, editing software, and athletes like those that he has, I could make a better movie.
Thats right! I said it!
Props to filmakers who do it all and everything, but seeing that name still bugs me. Look at Plehouse. It's pretty much the same as Poorboys as far as distribution of the work, and no one there puts a name on it.
Nov 30 2005 8:19PM
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Melvs
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PLehouse was started as a group thing. Poorboyz was started by Jonny on his own.
Nov 30 2005 8:22PM
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Dakoulas
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I bet if you had a 16mm camera you would have no idea how to use the fricken thing. Also it isn't very hard to get your hands on the same editing software the pros use. And like everyone else has said, if you have complete control over the finished product then it is your movie, not that hard of a concept to grasp.

With Plehouse there are multiple people who have come to agreement on how they want the movie to end up, whereas Johnny is the sole person in charge.
Nov 30 2005 8:28PM
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matthasaurusrex
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for some reason i remember hearing or remembering jhonny starting it with a partner...levin maybe?

i forget, but im interested in knowing
Nov 30 2005 8:29PM
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*DrewT*
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true all though it is Jonnys company and he started it all by himself
Nov 30 2005 8:33PM
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Melvs
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Not levin, possibly someone else, but I know for sure it wasn't levin.
Nov 30 2005 9:02PM
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Sexpert
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Ya he started it, but he doesnt even edit the movie anymore. Why don't they just put "Poorboys Productions" and drop the John Decesare movie?
Nov 30 2005 9:11PM
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