Zaugg

big sky already has one, and they are what all th big resorts use so pretty good.

i guess what im really asking, does it come down to ur cutter or the operator? Cause we had a decent pipe last year, so will it be totally gnar this year, or will we be able to tell much of a difference?

what hill you talking about? If you have a zaug you will probably have a super pipe. If you already had a cutter though, and not just a hand made pipe then I don't know how much a difference it will make.

ah, why is everybody so fucking stupid?
First of all, if u make distictions between pipes and super pipes, ur a dumbass. Second, im probably talking about jackson since thats where i live. Third, why r u replying if u dont know what difference it will make?

who the hell has hand made pipes anymore?

sun valley for one, haha

Chill. There is a difference between a Superpipe and Halfpipe. And both the operator and the cutter are important, but the operator is the big part as the Zaugg is one of the best out there.

i still disagree w/ half and super, but thx, and sorry for being anal about ur posts

Hey faggot, why don't you take some cock or something. There is a big difference between pipe and super pipe. Usually about 8 feet or so. How in the fuck should I know, or care for that matter where in the hell you live. I was trying to answer your fucking question. And guess what dumbshit, if we don't know what kind of cutter you had before we don't know what kind of difference it will make. So it looks like you are the one that is "so fucking stupid." By the way, big sky hand built the last 2 feet onto their pipe last year.

ahhh, shut up leprechaun.

I skiied Superpipe at JOs last year, and it was definitly different than the little shit we hit in Fernie the year before. If you dont believe me, ask pussyfooter.

oh lets just bitch a littl more...........

allright ya twat fondlers, this is how i look at it, why dont call everything a pipe. when your with ur friends ur not like dude you wanna go sesh the superpipe, you say pipe.

Everyone always cares about correct terminology and shit but i mean for jesus h. christ, it doesnt fuckin matter what you call it. a pipe is a pipe regardless of its size, some are just smaller than others

hahaha, i just 'took some cock' it was sweet. When did kids get so gay? I apologized in the post above^.
'why is everyone so fucking stupid?'
-team america
And if u want to help, you should actually help instead of just wanting to listen to yourself talk. So if you dont know what kind of cutter we have, or where i live, either
1. don't reply
or
2. find out so you can help

a mountain can call anything a superpipe, as well as a person, and since theres no definition for pipe or superpipe, as far as im concerned theres no difference. Some mountains say shits a superpipe and another mountain with the same size pipe will call it a pipe.

i agree with the angry black man

Alright, here's how it is. All of you shut the fuck up. Learn to respect each other, and learn how to construct a decent fucking post.

Let's look at this shall we?

Skiingsam69 - There is a difference between a Superpipe and a regular halfpipe. First, let's look at the equipment and maintenence of it. For a superpipe, you certainly have to have dirt work completed before it can go in. If you're from Jackson, this is a must. You may get alot of snow there, but not enough to have a superpipe until the end of February if it's made soley out of snow. The dirt work itself has differences. As KLD said, about an 8 foot difference. A regularly maintained halfpipe has around 8-10 foot walls. It's a well known fact. A superpipe is anything above that. Say, the Big Mtn Superpipe is expected to have 17 foot walls. A SuperDuper Pipe has 22 foot walls. There is a difference. Anybody who's ever riden both types would know this. Please shut the fuck up.

Secondly, the other difference is the equipment used to make the superpipe. A regular pipe dragon is used for a regular halfpipe. It's got a special cutter on the front to make the walls. It is one peice. So a regular dragon has a big enough grooming uh, let's just call it the cutter. The cutter on a normal pipe dragon can cut up to about 10-12 foot wall. For a superpipe, most of the dragons have an extention on them, so they can build bigger walls. Many resorts can't afford a brand new dragon that has a one piece cutter to cut 17+ foot walls, so they buy a piece to make it easier. If your mountain is buying a brand new dragon, chances are it's built to make superpipes. There is a difference there.

Lastly, the operator does come into play. There's a solid answer for what you're talking about. If your pipe operator has no idea what they're doing, your pipe will suck. There is a certain skill to building a good pipe. There you go, your question is answered.

Most importantly, let's talk about your posts.

Exactly how good are zaugg pipe cutters?
were gettin one i guess

KLD answered this. Then you dropped this one on us.

i guess what im really asking, does it come down to ur cutter or the operator? Cause we had a decent pipe last year, so will it be totally gnar this year, or will we be able to tell much of a difference?

Again, KLD answered to the best of his ability. Don't berate him if he doesn't have the exact answer you're looking for. That's why this site is called a community. People share what they have to offer, if he doesn't answer as clearly as you'd like, rephrase your question, thank him for what he did say, or wait for someone else to post something that might be valuable to you. Otherwise, if you're going to post shit like this: ah, why is everybody so fucking stupid?
First of all, if u make distictions between pipes and super pipes, ur a dumbass. Second, im probably talking about jackson since thats where i live. Third, why r u replying if u dont know what difference it will make?
, then you should just refrain from talking all together. Especially if you're going to turn around and back up his response. Your apology wasn't sincere, mostly because you proceded to run your mouth again. Please just shut the fuck up and make the forums bearable.

SensayMaster - What exactly did you contribute to this thread? You told everyone to stop bickering about terminology. Yeah, that's valid, but you didn't need to say it, unless you had something relevant to the thread to post. Looking back at your post, did you? Nope. Second, don't start calling people twats and then continue throughout your post utilizing derogatory language. It gets nothing accomplished. You too sir need to shut the fuck up.

I've been here since the beginning, and you people are making this place suck. Either think before you hit that reply button, or don't contribute at all. Sit back and grow up before you start speaking, let the grown ups discuss everything until you're mature enough to engage in the conversation.

Oh, I forgot to say this too. When you were telling people they were stupid because they didn't know where you lived, the setup or any of that, you have no right to do so. You didn't provide that information when asking the question, so if they're misinformed or answering something that is of no relation, that's your fault.

Ok skiingsam, pretty much that needs to be said was said by volklpro. First of all, why the hell are you critisizing me for not knowing the exact answer to something when you didn't have the slightest clue. I knew a hell of a lot more than you did. Also, if you aren't going to give us any background info, its not our job to ask, because to tell you the truth, no one gives a shit about you. Also, you have no right to be talking shit on here, you can't formulate a proper sentence, and punctuation seems beyond your knowledge. Good try though.

you know youre arguments gettin weak when u start ragging on someones sentences

Did you seriously read any of that? Did you skim over the body of the text? Are you mentally retarded? What I said about your sentence structure and grammar was maybe, actually, looking back at my posts, I didn't say anything about your sentences. You're a fucking idiot. If you scroll up a bit, let's look at what you missed.

How many words you skimmed over: 866
How many words related to how well you can formulate a sentence: 26

Explain to me how that weakens the argument? Explain to me how 26 words can be classified as raging?

Bottom line? You've got nothing. Shut the fuck up, or formulate an intelligent response.

You just got completely owned! Again! But yeah, you did present a question and then you told people that they sucked as soon as they answered, maybe you should be grateful for other people taking their time to help you out in the first place. And as far as grammar and punctuation goes, you simply cannot have a compelling argument with all the grammatical errors you had in nearly everything you said, it's just not possible. Maybe next time somebody gives you an unsatisfactory answer a simple "thank you for your time" would go a lot further than chewing them out and making yourself look like an ass.

hahaha, godamn, you kids have some anger disease. I wasnt even talking about your reply volklpro, and last time i checked there was this thing called forgiveness, i apologized to KLD on post number 8 i beleive, and im actually not trying to argue, i created this thread to find out whether getting a zaugg would improve our pipe or not. As far as my apology being genuine, i dont know how you can argue either way, but i meant it. As far as pipe/super pipe, volklpro, you obviously care a lot more tahn i do. And maybe you should find out whats goin on before you go balistic.

Ballistic? You haven't seen ballistic. I don't care more than you, I'm better informed. It's not my duty to find out what's going on. If you're asking the question, it's your job to inform me. Your apology would have been genuine had you not come back a few posts later being a fucking tool. It's not anger disease either. It's irritation. Because when you drop to that level, you become just like every other little shit talking loser on the site. I was prepared to give you room to slide until you stepped over the line of appropriate. I've seen your media, I've seen other threads you've posted in, and all I can say is there's potential. You're a good skier, and when your head isn't up your ass you're not such a bad guy. I'll be off your tail the moment you stop flaming people for no reason. In regards to the Zaugg cutter, it's a good machine. That's what Big Mountain is buying too. I'm willing to drop the whole issue though. No beef anymore?

Be warned: Jake will kick the eshit out of anything that gets in his way.

well my man volklpro. Im glad you took the time to really interpret what skiingsam and i are supposedly trying to say or the validity of what we are saying.

In response to your post im going to say that you do make valid reasons, but i dont agree with you at all in the sense of the use of deragatory use. I feel the need to express my self how i want to, not how someone believes i should.

The true reasoing behind my post is to get people to realize that we arent here to fuckin call each other out or start bitchin about something so miniscule as a question asked or the substance of the question. This isnt middle school and we should all realize this isnt a site that was originally intended to be one full of bitching about how you dont like what someone else is saying. Even right now, in my respons to you i am wasting my time and your time because we are doing exactly what im trying to get away from.

People need to take the time to realize we are on this site because we like to ski, and its that simple.

SO whatever way i came across to you, i guess im sorry or whatever, but i am an idividual and im not gonna change how i talk or my personal views on shit.

Just remember we are here to ski and lets have a little less bitching.

I dont care if you think my post was unnnecessary, i thought it was so i said it. Stop putting a false set of standards on what a post should contain because you are basically saying we have no right to freely express or selves when you question our logic.

But thas all i know........

Was that so hard? We are here to ski. But if you read the terms and conditions, this site isn't here to support anything that comes off as derogatory. Don't believe me? Go read it. I don't quite understand how supporting what you said is a waste of your time. If it was, perhaps you should of stayed silent.

the meaning behind me saying im wasting my time and your time all has to do with how we are doing this swip swap of opinions, when it could all be avoided if we all just mellowed out and focus about the topic at hand, which is about zaugg cutters. Instead people started to bitch or said one thing that pissed a person off and it just became like middle school bitch fest 2005.

So what i was trying to say was we are wasting each others time in doing what were doing, when this whole extravaganza could have been easily avoided.

ok, thank you volklpro, for not pursuing more bitching, ill stop, and thanks for the information, i just think an apology should be regarded w/ respect, there are few on this site

Did you miss all of that SensayMaster?

no i didnt miss that.

Im going to say though, its a big hipocritical when u you give me shit for supposedly not contributing to this thread and you basically just said, oh the zaugg is good.

Dont give me shit about that when you dont even have ne facts to say about the zaugg

If you read up where I stated the distinctions between types of halfpipes you'd see where I did contribute. I'm done arguing. You guys are tools.

well you make it sound like neither skiingsam or i have ever skied a halfpipe, ya we fuckin know that jacksons pipe has a base of dirt, we fuckin live there. And ya we know that a superpipe is officially walls with 17 feet are higher, but the one thing you are wrong on my freind, is we have a cutter with one solid cutting piece, we dont have that so called attachment you are talking about. our pipe is 17 feet and its a superpipe and we use a pipe cutter to cut it and it doenst have an extension.

So what im basically getting at is that your first post, you tried to make every thing sound so complicated and that its a delicate fuckin science that goes into making a pipe. Basically everything you said was common sense that you basically powdered up to sound like you know what ur talking about.

So back to my first paragrahp, the reason skiingsam and i dont distinquish between super pipe and half pipe by your classifaction, is because our pipe is unique and i imagine other pipes are all made a little differently too. so we dont take the time to try and get the classifacation right because why the hell would you?

you ski in a half-pipe and thas all i know, i dont give a shit how its built or what tools go into building it or what fuckin classifacation it falls under.

relevance to the original post basically went out the window about post #3 so dont give me shit about something being relavent to the topic of the post because we all know that the topic of the post has turned into some gay ass kid who thinks hes knows every little detail about skiing and wants to sound cool so he goes around correcting kids acting like hes hot shit in a champagne glass when ur nothing more than cold diareha in a dixie cup.

I assumed you didn't know anything, because thats how you presented youreselves. As uninformed little kids. Obviously you're not. Had you posted something akin to what you just did, there wouldn't be any beef between any of us. I told you I'm done, I'm out.

well i understand how you could assume that, but thas just how skiingsam and i are. we dont go around trying to act like we know whats up, because we just like to ski. sure there are times when will disagree on certain aspects of skiing, like a trick just pulled in a video or what skis that guy has or just stupid shit, but we dont try and push our knowledge onto others with like a i know alot about skiing and um if you dont im gonna tell you kind of attitude.

basically we got pissed about your so up front, pushy attitude about the whole topic, so maybe in the future, im not trying to be a dick, but just keep your info to your self until the time is right. maybe?

Keeping my info to myself would have left you with no solid answer. You can just like to ski and fill us all in on what you're talking about. If being vauge is just how you are, don't ask questions and expect real answers.

ha ha, and we continue the games, dude your posts really have had no help towards the answer skiingsam was looking for, you basically posted about the classifcation of pipes, which skiingsam and i already new about.

why must you play the game of like if hes gonna be lame then im gonna be lame, like seriously, middle school was gay enough as it is man, i understand skiingsam and i are probably pissing you off but were willing to talk it out, or at least i am, so lets just play grown ups for two seconds, put aside all the im better/more knowledgeable shit

Zaugg Pipe cutters are the professional's choice. You'll have a killer pipe if your operator is any good. Theres and answer. You and I may be able to settle our qualms, but Skiingsam69 is done in my book. He stepped way over the line in a PM. I have no problem with you. This issue is considered dropped by me.

well there we go, we got an answer to the question the post asked, no as far as im concerned a lot of shit could have been avoided, not just by you or me or whatever, but by everyone who replied on here, because i dont believe any one really genuinly did what the post asked.

I dont want to start another fight, but my first post of the thread answered his question, vaguley, but still answered it.

big sky already has one, and they are what all th big resorts use so pretty good.

ya pretty vague, but we've basically beat the pulp out of this thread so lets just forget about it

Yes, ask me haha


And this thread is fuckin stupid, just bitching at each other, yes "zaugs" are good, why would your mountain buy something new if it didnt make it better?

big mtn is getting a sick one

This thread should be taken out back and shot.

^agreed