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Pep Fujas's Saga on skiing Fakie Not skiing Switch

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Marg
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Have you read it in one of the rants in the K2 SKEEZE MAG its pretty dope and truthful it totally opened my eyes and i will never say switch or cab related to skiing again

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Sep 18 2005 11:21PM
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eheath
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you are gonna say something becuase a pro does?? wow skiing is goin to the shiter, THINK FOR YOURSELF PEOPLE!!

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Sep 18 2005 11:24PM
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KeegLove
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well he probably has some good points in there on how we shoodnt take all our names from skateboarding and snowboarding but i havent read it so i wouldnt reely know haha

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Sep 18 2005 11:29PM
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albatross.
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switch makes as much sense as fakie does. really none of it makes sesne. there is no argument, anyone who skateboards would know this. switch sounds better, and works for explaining tricks to snowboarders so its the word to use.

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Sep 18 2005 11:30PM
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ineedarealname
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i think the term switch is ok, but cab i dont think does justice...im gonna make my own term...

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Sep 18 2005 11:35PM
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doGelyst
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switch - one syllable
cab - one syllable, but no idea where it came from
fakie - two syllables

I'll stick with switch :)


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Sep 18 2005 11:38PM
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delete2
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fakie makes the most sense if you skateboard and really think about it but whatever

Sep 18 2005 11:50PM
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eheath
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i always say switch, never say cab or fakie

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Sep 18 2005 11:52PM
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anothermammothpunk
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well just to clear it up, it was micah abrams who said that.. not pep whatever just becuase switch and fakie mean one thing on a skateboard doesn't mean they can't mean something different on skis........ i ski switch

Sep 18 2005 11:54PM
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kutmasta
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in skateboarding, switch, fakie, and cab mean slightly different things, like foot placements and ehich way you are spinning. but those differences don't apply to skiing since you are either riding backward or forward. Personally, I don't care which name is used for riding backward, but does anyone know where can I get a SKEEZE magazine and read Pep's opinion.

Sep 18 2005 11:54PM
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skier_boy26
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switch works, and thats what i say.

if you want skeeze, go to a ski shop or something. many of them have it

Sep 19 2005 12:04AM
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eheath
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yeah anything works for me, its all the same, i could care less what ppl say, but have your own opinon

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Sep 19 2005 12:05AM
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KeegLove
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cab come from the skate boarding trick called a "Cabalerial" u go up a ramp switch and do a switch 3 i belive

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Sep 19 2005 12:20AM
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lowrider101
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u know cab is switch cork

Sep 19 2005 12:29AM
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kutmasta
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no it isn't


Sep 19 2005 12:31AM
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Freestyla_01
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A caballerio or however it's spelled, is a switch three.
A half cab, is a switch 180.
Originates from skateboarding.

Switch is derived from skateboarding as well, as in to do a trick the opposite direction you normally would.

Rollerblading uses the same term for their tricks. An example of a trick would be "fakie inspin switch soul" I believe. Someone can back me up on that, or correct me, though.

The fakie means to be going backwards into the tricks, the switch means to be doing it with the opposite feet as normal.

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Sep 19 2005 12:45AM
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xpingxpongx
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^^^ no a cabalariel (sp?) is not a switch 3, in fact its a fakie backside 3 i believe. this goes to prove the point that you ski switch not fakie. for instance in a fakie ollie you pop off your nose while riding in your opposite stance (switch). in fact every trick in skateboarding that is considered fakie is popped off the nose. in skiing we don't pop off our tails while we are riding backwards so it makes more sense for it to be switch. what were peps points? what did he say about it? come on man explain. not everyone has skeeze.

Sep 19 2005 12:48AM
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CHARLES.BRONSON
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fakie on a skateboard-riding with the same foot position as you would forward, but you're going backwards

switch on a skateboard-everything is mirrored. if you're goofy, then you go regular with the proper foot position for either way, duh

normally i wouldnt post something as obvious as this, but some people seem to be confused on what each means in skateboarding



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Sep 19 2005 12:48AM
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estaked
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pete this thread is your calling!

Sep 19 2005 12:54AM
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skimasterflex
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isn't is Cabriello or something and isn't it that dudes name who the Vans shoes are named after too?

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Sep 19 2005 1:35AM
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O-Show
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this topic gives me a headache so pretty much call it want you want and stop wasting your time arguing about it

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Sep 19 2005 1:58AM
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craigcski
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I think you should say it how you wanna say it. who the fuck cares anymore

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Sep 19 2005 2:33AM
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dylhole
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i dont think it really matters

Sep 19 2005 3:56AM
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ESB
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I think Jaquet wrote that, not Pep. Pep wrote a diatribe on style and the one-footer. Stay tuned for a response in Ski TIme.


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Sep 19 2005 4:23AM
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oOOo
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It's really just skiing "backwards" though innit.


Sep 19 2005 5:55AM
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mikee
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if we are talking skateboarding switch seems to make more sense to me, but if we are talking inline then they say fakie.

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Sep 19 2005 6:45AM
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Sanchez
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In my opinion, to say skiing backwards = switch is wrong. It always has been and always will be. This issue has been debated for many years, beginning on the old FREEZE and PBP forums. No one ever agreed on what to call backwards skiing. Likely, no one ever will. Either way, it's skiing's loss.

The only reason people call backwards skiing "switch" is because a handful or pros, back in about 1998, arbitrarily gave it that label. For those of you who remember the Summer X-Games big air in San Fran will recall Vinnie's fakie 3. Unfortunately, people like Mike Douglas started calling it a "switch 3". The use of "switch", especially from such a person as the Godfather of freeride, eventually stuck. As much as Mr. Douglas is one of the most brilliant skiers ever, he got this term wrong.

It comes down to the simple fact that what switch means in all other sports is "unnatural". If you do something switch then that means you're doing that trick unnatural. It could be a spin or a grab or whatever -- it's just done unnaturally. For some people, spinning left is natural. For others spinning right (darkside) is natural. Depends on the person. Fakie, on the other hand, means "backwards". You ride fakie, then you're riding backwards. They're two separate terms with two separate meanings. It's mind-boggling that skiers have insisted on mixing up their definitions and then duplicating their applications.

Bluntly, by definition, skiing backwards cannot be skiing switch. This is because no one skis backwards as their "natural". EVERYONE skis forward naturally, so the term "switch" does not even apply to forwards or backwards skiing. Its use as backwards skiing is simply wrong.

Here's a mind-bender: Some of you may also remember the same San Fran X-Games where the snowboard announcer called Shane McConkey's fakie back a switch front. Was the announcer correct? You be the judge.

If skiing is to be respected by other sports such as snowboarding, skateboarding, in-line, surfing, etc., then we should adopt the same vocabulary that's been working fine for years, and reject misguided trends.

Calling backwards skiing switch because it sounds "cool" or has less syllables are empty arguments and lazy. Hopefully the next generation of skiers will straighten this issue out and put it to bed.


Sep 19 2005 7:35AM
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Flynn
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Wasn't the article on switch vs cab and all that by micah abrams? not pep. Could be wrong but thats how i remember it. And wasnt a cab (way back) originaly a spin without a grab? I remember seeing something on fuel about that a while back on a show about him.

Sep 19 2005 7:40AM
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precipitation
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Sanchez sums it up perfectly.
Another point, now that skiing has evolved to where people are doing unnatural spins, we have run into the problem of using left and right side as a way to differentiate the two, which sucks because it only confuses the issue by not really explaining what someone did since not everyone spins the same way naturally. Wouldn't it be better to say someone did a 'switch fakie three' instead of a 'switch right side three'?

Sep 19 2005 8:40AM
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thatoneguyattyrol
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actually when you think about it, a fakie back is a switch front. Crazy.

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Sep 19 2005 9:13AM
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albatross.
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nope. a half cab would be a fakie 180, and a cabalerio would be a fakie 360.

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Sep 19 2005 9:20AM
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Pipe_Munky
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cab has been used by skateboarders and snowboarders for years to describe pretty much any spin that starts from switch.

the calabarial is a switch three and a half cab is a switch 180!

is the concept too hard for most of you to grab?







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Sep 19 2005 9:49AM
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nothanks
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Micha wrote about the "switch skiing". And yes, technically hes right, it's fakie. Just read it, he sums it up.

Personall I call it switch, or fakie, interchangably.

And pep wrote the thing on how Tanner should have won because of the nollie on and 270 and shit, as oppsed to gagniers one footer and then 180'ing to fakie in the middle of his run.

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Sep 19 2005 9:55AM
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Sanchez
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"Leftside" and "rightside" are definitely NOT a good trend...

Sep 19 2005 10:26AM
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ag.
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Well what we call switch in skiing should actually mean unnatural because switch in skateboarding is doing tricks using your unnatural foot. Fakie in skateboarding is going backwards and going "switch" on skis is actually like fakie on a skateboard, so it's true that it should be fakie b ut i won't be able to get used to calling it fakie.


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Sep 19 2005 10:39AM
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doGelyst
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Tanner pulled a 180 in the middle of his final run as well. Just watch the two several times, and you will see how much more effortless gagnier's entire run was as compared to tanners.

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Sep 19 2005 10:57AM
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Durtschi
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when i skate fakie it feels like im skiing fakie.....;)





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Sep 19 2005 11:08AM
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fluff
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its backwards.... not any thing else.. ass first, backwards

maybe call it reverse?



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Sep 19 2005 11:24AM
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feihlination
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i personally prefer switch, but i have no problem with fakie or cab or whatever.

i mean if you take it seriously about where which words came from you have to say that not all trick names mean and can mean the same in all sports.

for example a disaster is in skiing if you jump over the first part of a rail to land on the last part.

but in skateboarding, on which you all refer, its kind of a vert lip trick i think.

so wheres the problem to call it switch if its "unnatural" in skateboarding?





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Sep 19 2005 11:44AM
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erknz
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i'll bet you that steve caballero doesn't think skiing is very cool.




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Sep 19 2005 11:55AM
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almostaskier
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half right, sorry.

cab in skating is a fakie 360, half cab a fakie 180.
in snowboarding yeah since you can't move your feet to fakie, it has been called cab to go switch, but even then it usually involves a backwards landing prior.

we are skiing fakie in skateboarding terms.

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Sep 19 2005 11:57AM
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ATLskier
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fakie sounds gay. switch is better.

i cant take him[liam downey] seriously cuz his name reminds me of that downy bear from back when i was a kid -d loc

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Sep 19 2005 12:13PM
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skimasterflex
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we should make new ski only terms fo our shit. the rest of what we do is progressive enough and a culture is evolving from it. the next step in that cycle is OUR OWN VOCABULARY.

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Sep 19 2005 12:20PM
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miss_hevern87
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lets just call it backwards "i did a backwards 5"

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Sep 19 2005 12:26PM
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travis_halverson
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i respect peps skiing ability but it seems to me that he doesnt really know what he is talking about. Earlier in the magazine he comments on charles garnier's one foot slide as being gay and a copy of what rollerblading. then he goes on to say that skiing should be its own sport and we shouldnt copy any tricks from other sports like snowboarding or rollerblading. Then he says that Tanner's nollie lipslide was cool and progressive. Even though all the components of the trick are stolen from skateboarding. He contradicts himself on the point of copying other sports.


Sep 19 2005 1:20PM
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feezy
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caballero.
named the fakie 3 the cabalerrial (sp)
half cab is fakie 180.

SWITCH is short for SWITCH STANCE.
pep is retarded.
i dont care what snowboarders call their tricks... we ski switch.
we are NOT skiing fakie.
if we were skiing fakie we would be popping off of our tails as mentioned above.

ssx on tour will further ruin this debate by adding more retarded misnomers.

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Sep 19 2005 1:46PM
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mdvorak
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I have always knew that switch wasnt technically possible on skis or snowboards becuse of my backround in skateboarding. We just say switch cuz its easier and sounds better to say. Switch 9 sounds better than Fakie 9. I guess its ok cuz snowboarders do the same thing.

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Sep 19 2005 2:01PM
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lanks
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bingo. we don't have to follow skateboarding's naming criteria and rules. our mute grab is almost nothing like theirs. yet nobody has any problem with that trick name. i see no difference between that example, and the switch skiing example.

i will continue to ski switch.


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Sep 19 2005 4:04PM
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freeskier1316
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i prefer switch its like being politically correct
no one is and no ones cares


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Sep 19 2005 4:14PM
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Sep 19 2005 4:32PM
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Katch
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So a switch unnatural is basically an expression with 2 words that mean the same thing? NO, in skiing the common way to say unnatural is.. unnatural, and the common way for backward is switch. Just add unnatural if you want to specify it. Anyway, I never heard someone say switch for a unnatural trick on skis.

Just use the one you want, switch or fakie, but DON'T use cab, it really sounds like snowboarding.

Sep 19 2005 4:38PM
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