Terry schiavo- Keep her in the ghetto, or train to Outscwitz?

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true but i think theyre delaying the inveitable

Who doesn't like handicapped girls? I mean there is nothing like the feeling of a girl going into a siezure while she is riding you or when she makes those damn sexy groaning and gurggling noises before you even touch her.

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no, she is a vegetable because she is brain dead, not because of her husband's actions, AT ALL. god damnit you kids need to stop watching Fox.

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Mar 21 2005 8:06PM

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for once im with the free range chicken lovers here....

Who doesn't like handicapped girls? I mean there is nothing like the feeling of a girl going into a siezure while she is riding you or when she makes those damn sexy groaning and gurggling noises before you even touch her.

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does it mean anything to anyone that all the courts have decided that with all the proof, she would want to die instead of living like this?

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the only people that claim she is not totally brain dead are her parents. Many cases prove that parents really can be naive, sadly. She is brain dead, she will never not be brain dead, its time for her to go.

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what reason is there to keep her alive? her parents need to learn that it is best to remember her for who she was and not let her lay there dying slowly in a bed. This is such a big issue because if it passes through the sepreme court than it will lead the way to abortion being outlawed-Right to life anyone, and Roe v wade will be overturned. which is ridiculous and stupid but it might happen

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hmmm.. maybe that's why bush came back early to sign this bill, even thoguh in 1999 he signed a bill that allowed hospitals to remove feeding tubes in cases like this...

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i just think the Govt should stay out of civil issues liek this

Who doesn't like handicapped girls? I mean there is nothing like the feeling of a girl going into a siezure while she is riding you or when she makes those damn sexy groaning and gurggling noises before you even touch her.

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I am not american, but I have been watching this case for a while and I feel that the govt is overstepping its boundaries. Also I heard on cnn or something that in the american constitution there is an ammendment or something saying that the govt can't pass a law directly aimed at one person. I may be wrong, because I am no expert on the american constitution

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the government should stay out. She is in a perminant vegitative state, and although her eyes are open and she can make sounds, the brain is still in a "dead" state. Records also prove that no1 ever remotly close to this state has ever come out of it. Ever
the federal judge did the right thing to end her life. She can't feel a thing anyway, and according to her husband, thats what she wanted

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Why is this case in court, what do the people there know about medical care?

Let her die now instead of keeping her alive just her parents have made their mind that thats the right thing, they have to uderstand that her life has no meaning and that she can't possibly be happy

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the court issue is really between who should have the right to take care of her i believe...essentially, the schindlers are trying to gain custody of their daughter, because michael schiavo, as her husband, currently has custody.

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i think they should take her off the respirator... her parents are being selfish in wanting her to live.. she is braindead and cannot live without a respirator thus i think that she should be taken off this support and left to die... i mean come on she isnt coherent to anything.. and sure she might "respond" to her parents but when you are a parent in that position you find countless acts to name as being "signs" i mean come on.. our country has more things to worry about like the debate on abortion and foreign policy in iran... i mean sure it gets our mind off of iraq which is welcome as i have grown quite tired of it i still think that this is something that shouldnt be dominating our news for months at a time.

Shit for once i agree with atlantaski... shoot me now..but thats what i believe and it just so happens that he does too..

oh yeah and incase you were too lazy to read all that I think that Terry Schiavo should be taken off support and her feeding tube should be removed

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also if someone hooked up her brain to a computer to monitor brain activity the computer would read

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Or maybe you should stop listening to Liberal propaganda Melvs.

Here is a quote from a NO-FUCKING-BEL Nominee Neurologist. Yes that is right. He was nominated for a NOBEL Prize for studies of the brain.

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"The important thing for people to understand is that she can eat and swallow right now,â€? said William Hammesfahr, a neurologist that has examined Terri and is in many of the videos circulated through the news media showing Terri responsive and alert at times.

â€œThey are truly withholding food from a person who is awake, alert, and can eat and swallow,â€? Hammesfahr said. After spending at least 10 hours with Terri several years ago, he told Sixth Circuit Court Judge George W. Greer Terri can improve with therapy."

And some more info on the good doctor:

He was also nominated for a Nobel Prize for his work in the area of brain injury or stroke and considered a leader in the therapy of improving blood flow to the brain, resulting in measurable gains in patients,

http://www.floridabaptistwitness.com/4034.article

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Mar 22 2005 11:29AM

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I would also like to point out that Terri has never had an MRI or a PET.

Two years ago I had a massive fractured skull and blood on my brain. The doctors told my parents I would likely never function again. They were dead wrong. On every bit of testing I went through I outscored the average American by a country mile. Schiavo's husband should just get a divorce.

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facto fhte matter still remains that ALL the courts have found that she would've wanted to die instead of living like this. period. end of discussion.

I agree that maybe she isn't 100% brain dead, but she is still a vegetable. Not because the 'liberals' tell us that, but because I've seen teh videos of her.

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"she would've wanted to die instead of living like this"

Did you ever hear her say that? And how is the court so mighty and powerful that they can choose if a person is going to live or die? Melvs this isnt a court issue, lets be human beings for once and not political correctness bullshit. This is a human being that has a soul. Thats what distincts us from the dead is a soul, as long as she has a soul and has a chance of recovery we should do everything in our power to keep the person alive. I know that this is where the money issue comes in but money has been given to her ex-husband to be spent on treatment but apparently wasnt. Also this guy is her ex-husband by all the means, he lives with a women and two of her children, I dont see how he can decide whethere his ex-wife should live or not.

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So I told him if you say that again im gonna stick this bowl of gucamole up your ass. Long story short, that is the worst bowl of gucamole iv'e ever tasted

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My position on this:

1) It's almost impossible to find moral ground to withdraw life support from someone without their consent, whether they're able to offer it or not. So I have no idea how the courts managed to reach the decision they did on this one. Then again... I wasn't there for the case.

2) It's downright insane that congress has found a COURT DECISION they don't agree with, and just decided to overturn it regardless of the actual legal processes that were undertaken to reach that decision. Are they going to start composing legislation to reverse all the other decisions the majority of congress disagrees with, as well?

3) Stop calling her "Terri". You too, Graves. None of these pricks give two shits about some woman they don't know, and neither do you. If the republican position was the opposite, you'd be arguing in the other direction. This is purely political, and it's despicable the way these people have played off this story for publicity. Assholes.

4) Excuse me, but isn't North Korea expanding its nuclear arsenal? Aren't there constand militant bombings going on in Iraq? Didn't some jackass just decide that Paul Wolfowitz would do a bang-up job as head of the World Bank? Why the hell are we talking about this again? Oh, right... that sentimental story really plays well in the heartland.

5) Hypocrisy. In 1999, George W Bush, then governor of Texas, passed a law relevant to this situation. Last week, that law allowed for a 6 month old child to be removed from the ventilation system which was keeping him alive, despite the parents' objections. So why exactly is the President making it a point to cancel his vacation (which he's never done, not even when a Tsunami hit certain 3rd world countries) to come back to Washington and make sure the legislation gets through? I'm confused on this one.
(Source: http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/healthlawprof_blog/2005/03/lifesupport_sto.html ... you could certainly find this story elsewhere, but this blog has more info on the law itself.)

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Mar 22 2005 12:48PM

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to kingshit. No, I haven't personally heard her say this, but there are a number of people who did. that is my point.

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JD dont be an ignorant fuck. What would you rather have me call her besides Terri? Do you want me to call her "vegetative state lady" or how about "brain slush" since every fricking liberal thinks that is her current state. How about I call her Woman #27. I mean why not give her a number since it seems no one does give a damn about her.

And JD apparently you didnt read the portion of my post that the doctors gave me no chance just two years ago....OOOPs looks like they were wrong.

And I love how you somehow think that every other worldly issue has now been forgotten in the eyes of our government. Just because something grabs the attention of the public doesn't mean that all else has been forgotten. How ignorant can you be?

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Sad, Graves... truly sad. How about Calling her "Schiavo", or "Ms. Schiavo", instead of affectionately referring to her as if she were your close personal friend? As for the media, yes, I'm annoyed that this gets the front page while things that might actually have some long-term impact on millions of people are ignored by the general population.

At any rate, this place seems to have gotten to you at long last. You're just another shit-flinging "Shutup, your ignerant" monkey trying to bait anyone and everyone into an e-fight, and you're barely worth the time I've taken to address you here. Enjoy arguing about this further with the simians of the site, I've said my piece.

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i dont really care about the spacifics of this case in particular, but the idea of the legislature overturning a court ruling is rediculous. i have to agree that its nothing but a political move. that said, if it comes as a suprise that this, or any administration would do such a thing, then you need to check back into reality. thats what governments do.

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Oh and in regards to this

"5) Hypocrisy. In 1999, George W Bush, then governor of Texas, passed a law relevant to this situation. Last week, that law allowed for a 6 month old child to be removed from the ventilation system which was keeping him alive, despite the parents' objections. So why exactly is the President making it a point to cancel his vacation (which he's never done, not even when a Tsunami hit certain 3rd world countries) to come back to Washington and make sure the legislation gets through? I'm confused on this one."

I don't agree with Bush's signing in 1999. I have and always will be a life advocate.

Schiavo's bill signing needed immediate action.

If you are so critical of Bush not making a statement about the Tsunami right away then where is your criticism of Kofi Annan, who happened to keep skiing in Jackson Hole for four days after the Tsunami hit? Its just more of the liberal "Blame Bush/America" first attitude if you ask me. The United States has contributed over 1 billion in relief, as well as redirecting US convoys to stop in the Tsunami region. While evil Bush and evil America contributed all this money to a primarily Islamic region (which we all know Bush haaates sooooooo much) fellow Islamic nations contributed as little as 10 million if anything at all (including Buh's beeeeessstest friends the Saudis). So tell me JD how could eviiiil Bush saved all the people of Indonesia right away, while Kofi's actions somehow flew below the radar of every lib out there. After all the tsunami was a worldly issue, not just a US issue, therefor the UN should have been the primary care-takers of the tsunami torn region, especially with all that money they pocketed during the oil-for-food fiasco. Maybe they were just to busy raping little girls in the Congo or molesting little boys in northern Australia.

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Well please dont call me Graves, JD. Because you don't know me well enough either. Excuse me for addressing someone by their name.

And in regards to this

"At any rate, this place seems to have gotten to you at long last. You're just another shit-flinging "Shutup, your ignerant" monkey trying to bait anyone and everyone into an e-fight, and you're barely worth the time I've taken to address you here. Enjoy arguing about this further with the simians of the site, I've said my piece."

I posted a link and I argued my point. You pissed me off because of your ignorant comments and the fact that you seem to think I don't care about another human life. Well your damn wrong. Bait everyone into an e-fight? Don't be a hypocrite. You are guilty of the same thing. You are doing it now and you were doing it in posts before. I am sorry but your pathetic attempt at reverse psychology won't fly with me.

Did you happen to read the quotes that I posted from the neurologist earlier? Apparently not. You offered no valid argument JD. You just flipped the tables and brought up the Tsunami, of all things, then you had the nerve to say I don't give a damn about a human life and said I was making this a partisan issue. Well guess what, FUCK YOU. Take that how you want to.

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JD you just steped down to the same level as you were referring to by saying this " Enjoy arguing about this further with the simians of the site" J.D you arent that cool remember. I personally want to see this arguement to continue so please JD dont bail out in the middle.

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I agree. And in other news a woman from the Catholic Church just got arrested for trying to give Terri Schiavo water (is that better JD, I used her full name).

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Mar 22 2005 3:32PM

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Graves, why do you keep talking only to JD? I don't think he cares.

Mar 22 2005 3:42PM

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^ graves, i didnt bother to read all your posts cuz they looked long and boring. But the first article you qouted was from the "florida babtist witness".
Always consider the source.

but hey, if southern babtists are open minded people with a sound grasp of scientific fact, who is?

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B-Cat I considered the source, but that doesn't DISCREDIT THE FACT THAT THE GUY IS A NOBEL NOMINATED NEUROLOGIST!!! So read the article before you bash it...common sense.

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And B-Cat if those posts are "long and boring" I would really like to know how you make it through school considering they would occupy 30 seconds of your time...that is if you can read of course.

And I hate the "long and boring" argument. It my opinion it's a cop-out.

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I cant possible know how she or her family is feeling all I can know is what I would want done in that situation for myself. Personally I would want to die even with a small chance of recovery to me its not worth the time money and anguish of my family and friends witnessing me this way. I want them to grieve and be done.

This is why at even the ripe age of 20 years old i already have made out a living will for situations such as this.

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Mar 22 2005 3:58PM

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for the record, Terri Schiavo has been in a PVS for 15 years, how long were you in it for Graves?

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^See thats the thing that gets me 15 years what are you waitng for! Sure they are her parents but they appear very selfish in my eyes!!

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terry has basically become a mentally retarded person, so now i guess its ok to just let retards die now?

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Tweaks the problem is that Terry has never gotten rehab. I was out cold for two days. The doctors told my parents I was fried. They put two options on the table, death or a vegetative state. I beat the odds, I got lucky. Could she ever make a full recovery? Unlikely at this point. But could she become much more attentive and aware of her surroundings, perhaps even gaining back physical capabilities? Well that will never be known unless she is given rehab.

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according to her husband she didnt want to live in this state if it ever occured to her... her husband is doing what she wishes... her parents who havent lived with her in how many years know what she wants? shit changes and personally if i was ever in that situation i would want to be left to die... there is no point in trying to and sure graves that did happen to you but i think this is way beyond what you had happen to you

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wtf did i do Flyingspoon?

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i think he meant that cause he didnt agree with your point of view...damn son you arent that bright.

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it should be a medical issue, not political, and it should be up to the family and the doctor to fight it out. i don't know why all the publicity.

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asac, she's not retarded, she's in a vegetative state so basically her brain isjust doing the most basic instinctual functions...there is no chance she's going to get better so she might as well die, and if her husband has her power of attorney then he can make desicions for her now..since she obviously can't

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this is one of the most valid point ive seen...

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i dont think starving someone to death is the answer. they should just pull the plug.

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