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Subject: Official Ski/Binding Maintenance Thread
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As all of us know, it is very important to know how to use/maintain your ski equipment, so my hope for this thread is to have everyone post videos or picture tutorials on how to do various forms of ski maintenance, whether it's adjusting bindings, waxing skis, dulling edges, anything, but just so you know where to look when you have basic questions about this sort of thing

I'll put 2 videos in the OP:

How to Take Apart/Bend FKS
by me

How to Wax Your Skis
by mrstskier

Next up just a few tips:

When you get home from skiing you should do 3 things:
1. take your skis inside and leave them there
2. wipe your bases and edges with a cloth or rag
3. pull your skis apart and lean them against a wall with the bases sticking up

Now it's your turn, post tips, stories, tutorials, anything relating to ski maintenance because it can greatly increase the life and performance of your gear


**DISCLAIMER**
A LOT OF THESE THINGS REQUIRE BASIC SHOP SKILL, PROPER TOOLS, AND EXPERIENCE. DO EVERYTHING AT YOUR OWN RISK AND MAKE SURE YOU ARE ABLE TO EXECUTE ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT PROCESSES. THINK TWICE BEFORE YOU RISK THE LIFE OF YOUR GEAR AND MAKE SURE YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING

This goes for advice giving as well, make sure you possess knowledge of the subject you're providing advice for because it can jeopardize people's safety if you give them false tips. So either make sure you know what you're saying or put in your post that you're just kinda guessing
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just got some ar6's and i ski 60% hardpacked and 40% park...should i detune my edges? ive never done it before
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Quoting pigglywiggly from Jul 25 2009 5:57:24:
just got some ar6's and i ski 60% hardpacked and 40% park...should i detune my edges? ive never done it before
just dull them under foot
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Jul 26 2009
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will i notice anything when im just skiing (less edge grip)
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I just watched all the videos out of boredom and I'm definitely gonna try freehand mounting on an old pair of raceskis until I've got it down and can do it on my new skis and save teh monies
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Quoting summersoverUltimate Bling! from Jul 26 2009 2:36:15:
I just watched all the videos out of boredom and I'm definitely gonna try freehand mounting on an old pair of raceskis until I've got it down and can do it on my new skis and save teh moniesMy local shop is just a big sports store anyways they get enough business from me the way it is....
i'm still too scared to freehand a pair of new skis
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Quoting no_steezeUltimate Bling! from Jul 26 2009 8:33:36:
i'm still too scared to freehand a pair of new skis
haha well with some practice im sure i will gain enough confidence.... i think
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Jul 27 2009
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Quoting summersoverUltimate Bling! from Jul 26 2009 11:03:51:
haha well with some practice im sure i will gain enough confidence.... i think
that's what i keep telling myself but it's so easy to mess up haha
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Quoting no_steezeUltimate Bling! from Jul 27 2009 4:39:34:
that's what i keep telling myself but it's so easy to mess up haha
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try giving your skis/board a hot scrape first, hot wax them first with a cheaper wax and scrape off  like you normally would buff a little and then wax again with your good wax, this opens up the pores of the bases more, and clean the bases better than just waxing right to the ski, it will also make your wax last alittle longer,

^^^also i love useing rotery brushes, and you can get good pressure with them, just use 2 different one more corse to pretty smoth and it will buff them better than doing it by hand

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Quoting mattslines from Jul 29 2009 8:58:18:
try giving your skis/board a hot scrape first, hot wax them first with a cheaper wax and scrape off  like you normally would buff a little and then wax again with your good wax, this opens up the pores of the bases more, and clean the bases better than just waxing right to the ski, it will also make your wax last alittle longer,
^^^also i love useing rotery brushes, and you can get good pressure with them, just use 2 different one more corse to pretty smoth and it will buff them better than doing it by hand
rottos cant get as good of a buff as by hand, hence why racers dont use them on race days
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Aug 8 2009
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hey, just wondering if there is a way i can check if my skis are waxed. i took them to my local shop and asked them to fix bindings and give the skis a wax while i was getting boot fitted. but it only took them 30mins to do both, leaving me sceptical as to whether they did both. or is 30mins just a good/quick time for bindings and wax.

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well do the bases feel dry?
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Aug 9 2009
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yea kinda. i've realised though the simple solution is just wax them again anyway, whether i get the stuff to do it myself or take them to a different shop (so not to be rude) no harm can come from it.

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Aug 10 2009
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i got a tip for anyone that rides dryslope out there. you snow guy will probably be mad as hell @ me for this but you have no idea the state that dryslope skis get into.

when you start to get a gap between the base and the edge and it is all the was down to the metal of the edge use repositionable epoxy resin to fill it, as anyone who skis dryslope will know, petexing is useless, its is ripped out after only one run. also repositionable allows you to wipe excess of the edge before it drys hard. after the wax has set use a coarse sanding block to level the epoxy and run a metal ruler along the edge to remove and resin you might have missed
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sorry a lot of questions coming up, mainly directed to mrstskier (but others feel free to answer):

when waxing a new set of skis do you brush inbetween the multiple coats of waxes? or just scrape?

are bronze brushes a close substitute for blue nylon or are they worlds apart? finding it hard to get hold of blue nylon in england, but easy to find bronze.

and finally, waxes specifically for atificial snow or snowflex, are they worth it? if not which out of the normal yellow, blue, red, pink which would be the best? i only go to my localish (1.5 hours away) indoor snow slope once every two weeks in the summer but have heard man made snow can be harsh on bases.

cheers all
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Aug 23 2009
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I wish i had something better to tune my edges with anyone got an idea PM me.
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Quoting benrle from Aug 21 2009 12:30:59:
sorry a lot of questions coming up, mainly directed to mrstskier (but others feel free to answer):when waxing a new set of skis do you brush inbetween the multiple coats of waxes? or just scrape? are bronze brushes a close substitute for blue nylon or are they worlds apart? finding it hard to get hold of blue nylon in england, but easy to find bronze. and finally, waxes specifically for atificial snow or snowflex, are they worth it? if not which out of the normal yellow, blue, red, pink which would be the best? i only go to my localish (1.5 hours away) indoor snow slope once every two weeks in the summer but have heard man made snow can be harsh on bases. cheers all
bronze is used mostly for cleaning as it pulls up alot of dirt and wax. and yes brush inbetween each coat. having never seen artif. sno wax, dont know the diff between it and normal
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Aug 23 2009
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Not sure if I should post this in here or make a thread

Can I buy/do shops normally have screws for bindings? I bought a pair of comp1400s off of here but they were missing two screws. Am I screwed(no pun intended)?

Also, what is the best way to get rust of off screws? My mom said oil will work but I don't know
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Quoting willis.$ from Aug 23 2009 11:15:20:
Not sure if I should post this in here or make a thread

Can I buy/do shops normally have screws for bindings? I bought a pair of comp1400s off of here but they were missing two screws. Am I screwed(no pun intended)?

Also, what is the best way to get rust of off screws? My mom said oil will work but I don't know
most shops should have screws. and just get really fine sandpaper and rub them down
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Quoting willis.$ from Aug 23 2009 11:15:20:
Not sure if I should post this in here or make a thread

Can I buy/do shops normally have screws for bindings? I bought a pair of comp1400s off of here but they were missing two screws. Am I screwed(no pun intended)?

Also, what is the best way to get rust of off screws? My mom said oil will work but I don't know
the majority of shops have a bin full of screws so they should be fine, if not you can look on slidewright.com and order some replacement screws
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Sep 5 2009
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Sorry I keep responding to this thread but I'd rather not just keep making threads for silly things

I just bought these p12s and the toe piece is cracked like a mofo. Is this just cosmetic or are these shot? Will a shop mount them?

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Quoting willis.$ from Sep 5 2009 11:15:16:
Sorry I keep responding to this thread but I'd rather not just keep making threads for silly things

I just bought these p12s and the toe piece is cracked like a mofo. Is this just cosmetic or are these shot? Will a shop mount them?

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Quoting willis.$ from Sep 5 2009 11:16:29:
I can't see the picture but it is there I promise

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I still can't see the picture but when I quote the URL is there. Lemme try for a third time

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The damage is just the plastic around the screw that tightens the din
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Sep 6 2009
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looks like just plastic damage, but have your shop test them and as long as they test out fine, you shiuld be bale to get some time out of them
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Sep 11 2009
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try to cover it up though, if water gets in there it could rust your spring and screw with the bindings a little
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They may be shot.  That plastic part is what supports the spring and holds it in the toe piece.  Like said above, you should probably have a shop tech check that out but they will probably still say no.
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Yah definitely get them checked - pretty sure that piece that is cracked moves when the toe wings move..check it.

In any event, i think it will be mostly cosmetic
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why should i not sharpen my park skis? should i sharpen my rail/urban skis? how about if im in powder?
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Quoting JeacStrap from Sep 20 2009 12:47:33:
why should i not sharpen my park skis? should i sharpen my rail/urban skis? how about if im in powder?
sharp edges want to hook into the snow and turn, so for landings on jumps you could hook and die, and on rails you dont want the chance of hooking on a little bit of metal thats sticking up. in pow edges dont matter
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so for my park skis, when i get them i should just mount them and wax em or should i also sharpen em? how often (if at all) should i sharpen my park skis?
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Quoting JeacStrap from Sep 20 2009 1:13:22:
so for my park skis, when i get them i should just mount them and wax em or should i also sharpen em? how often (if at all) should i sharpen my park skis?
did you read what i said? dont sharpen them at all ever unless its a pipe ski
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Quoting mrstskierUltimate Bling! from Sep 20 2009 5:25:00:
did you read what i said? dont sharpen them at all ever unless its a pipe ski
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when you are trying to saturate new bases, about how many waxes should it take?
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Quoting Ben. from Sep 20 2009 10:05:40:
when you are trying to saturate new bases, about how many waxes should it take?
like how many times should you wax?
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Sep 21 2009
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Quoting mrstskierUltimate Bling! from Sep 21 2009 1:38:31:
like how many times should you wax?
yeah. cuz i know youre supposed to do it repeatedly on new skis.
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Quoting Ben. from Sep 21 2009 1:40:19:
yeah. cuz i know youre supposed to do it repeatedly on new skis.
depends on the bases and how fast you want them to be

if you can, hot box them then do 6-10 more layers
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Quoting mrstskierUltimate Bling! from Sep 21 2009 1:41:40:
depends on the bases and how fast you want them to be

if you can, hot box them then do 6-10 more layers
hot boxing prolly isnt gonna happen. i cant afford to have the shop do it, and i sure as hell dont have access to one.
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Quoting Ben. from Sep 21 2009 1:53:45:
hot boxing prolly isnt gonna happen. i cant afford to have the shop do it, and i sure as hell dont have access to one.
ya it isnt cheep, im glad my race coach has one he lets me use, but i may build one this winter

at least 10 coats of different waxes tho, i know that seems like alot, but it builds up such a strong base
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my threads for later when i have to bend my fks

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Quoting AlexK.$ from Sep 22 2009 3:47:10:
my threads for later when i have to bend my fks

thanks for the video no_steeze!!!
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Quoting mrstskierUltimate Bling! from Sep 21 2009 12:02:15:
ya it isnt cheep, im glad my race coach has one he lets me use, but i may build one this winter

at least 10 coats of different waxes tho, i know that seems like alot, but it builds up such a strong base
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okay a few questions...I have new skis this season, they are in the shop right now getting mounted but I dont want to pay for the shop to prep them for the season since I have all the resources I need at home. What specifically should i do wax/tuning wise to get a new pair of skis set for the beginning of the season (i live on the east coast so i will be skiing mostly man made snow for a while). Also, at the end of the season last year I was skiing my old teneightys, they are pretty beat but i still plan on using them a bit this year. I never did anything to them last spring except put them in my basement and I know i should have put a summer wax on them, too late now?. What should i do to prep those for the season as well. +k to any helpful answers
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Quoting skichicky3 from Oct 15 2009 10:22:09:
okay a few questions...I have new skis this season, they are in the shop right now getting mounted but I dont want to pay for the shop to prep them for the season since I have all the resources I need at home. What specifically should i do wax/tuning wise to get a new pair of skis set for the beginning of the season (i live on the east coast so i will be skiing mostly man made snow for a while). Also, at the end of the season last year I was skiing my old teneightys, they are pretty beat but i still plan on using them a bit this year. I never did anything to them last spring except put them in my basement and I know i should have put a summer wax on them, too late now?. What should i do to prep those for the season as well. +k to any helpful answersthanks
start waxing the heck out of both pairs right now, and dont stop till you see snow. then wax some more.
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Quoting chazz. from Oct 15 2009 12:07:15:
start waxing the heck out of both pairs right now, and dont stop till you see snow. then wax some more.
pretty much, once my great scotts arive ill do another video on prepping new skis but till that happens, wax wax wax!
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Quoting mrstskierUltimate Bling! from Oct 15 2009 2:39:37:
pretty much, once my great scotts arive ill do another video on prepping new skis but till that happens, wax wax wax!
it's nice that scott is hotboxing them before shipping though
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Quoting no_steezeUltimate Bling! from Oct 19 2009 7:37:46:
it's nice that scott is hotboxing them before shipping though
very, but ill still wax them
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Oct 25 2009
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so it looks like mrstskier really understands ski care, but its looking like there might be a basic misunderstanding of how wax works.  i'm not looking to be a jackass, so feel free to ignore if you know what you're doing.

basically, wax ON your bases does nothing to make you faster...it usually slows you down.  The way that ski bases work is they channel water from tip-to-tail IN the ski as you move downhill.  this is why you want wax to really get in there via multiple applications, hotboxing, regular care/cleaning, etc.  This is also why you should think about waxing along the ski...this is how the wax needs to be in there anyway. 

another waxing plus: it helps maintain bases, which is obv going to come up as an issue with park skiing on heavily trafficked (dirty) snow.

one trick to know when it's time to wax: if you see white lengthwise streaking in your base (called base burn), you're behind on your waxing.

trick to know when you've put in enough wax: as you iron in each wax application, you'll notice that the base absorbs the liquid wax. this will look like a black puddle that is slowly getting smaller.

one thing you'll want to watch out for is bubbling your bases.  this is very hard to repair, and can seriously slow you down.  this is caused by keeping the iron over one spot too long.  to know if you're damaging your skis as you wax, touch the topsheet of the ski under the point on the base where you're ironing.  after a while you'll get a feel for how hot is too hot.

if you watch out for these things, and follow the basic temperature rules for whatever wax system you're using (I use swix, but toko and some others are just as good), your skis will ski real nice. cheers.
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I've just been on the swix website and I'm having trouble with working out the waxes. can someone tell me the basic differences between Hydrocarbon waxes, Low Fluorocarbon waxes and High Fluorocarbon waxes. I just bought some swix Ch (hydrocarbon) on a cheap deal and now I'm really confused as which is best as I'm no ski tech - thanks
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Quoting Moon_Park from Oct 25 2009 10:16:11:
I've just been on the swix website and I'm having trouble with working out the waxes. can someone tell me the basic differences between Hydrocarbon waxes, Low Fluorocarbon waxes and High Fluorocarbon waxes. I just bought some swix Ch (hydrocarbon) on a cheap deal and now I'm really confused as which is best as I'm no ski tech - thanks
the swix system is designed with racing in mind.  so it can get very technical, and it involves some very expensive waxes (some ceraF powders can run over $100 a bottle).

that said, you don't need most of that stuff...ch wax is basically all you'll ever need.  essentially swix colors its waxes by snow (or outdoor) temperature.  So you'll use a yellow wax when its really warm, a green when its really cold, and the rest shake out in-between.  they're all marked by temp at which you should you them, so thats pretty self explanitory.

the different classes of waxes (CH, LF, HF, HFBD) are for different humidity and snow conditions.  Basically, as it gets more humid, and the snow is older, you want to move from CH to LF to HF to HFBD waxes accordingly.  This is a little less scientific, and has more to do with a touch that you develop over time for what wax to use.

That said, you dont need to worry about HF and HFBD.  I will generally only use an HF or HFBD when I'm waxing for a race, and I need every hundredth of a second.   What I'd adviuse is you use CH for most days, following the temperature guidelines on the wax boxes.  You may want to invest in some LF waxes (LF12 is an assortment pack that will give you a little bit of three different ones) for days when the snow is really old or dirty.  Other than that, just use CH.

Hope that helps.  There are some wax freaks out there who spend three hours every night cleaning their bases, applying different wax cycles, brushing, applying ceraF powders (which are 100% fluorocarbon)...it can get really involved.  As long as you're cleaning, waxing, scraping, and brushing every few days, your bases will stay in great shape.
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Quoting omIV$ from Oct 25 2009 11:16:37:
the swix system is designed with racing in mind.  so it can get very technical, and it involves some very expensive waxes (some ceraF powders can run over $100 a bottle).

that said, you don't need most of that stuff...ch wax is basically all you'll ever need.  essentially swix colors its waxes by snow (or outdoor) temperature.  So you'll use a yellow wax when its really warm, a green when its really cold, and the rest shake out in-between.  they're all marked by temp at which you should you them, so thats pretty self explanitory.

the different classes of waxes (CH, LF, HF, HFBD) are for different humidity and snow conditions.  Basically, as it gets more humid, and the snow is older, you want to move from CH to LF to HF to HFBD waxes accordingly.  This is a little less scientific, and has more to do with a touch that you develop over time for what wax to use.

That said, you dont need to worry about HF and HFBD.  I will generally only use an HF or HFBD when I'm waxing for a race, and I need every hundredth of a second.   What I'd adviuse is you use CH for most days, following the temperature guidelines on the wax boxes.  You may want to invest in some LF waxes (LF12 is an assortment pack that will give you a little bit of three different ones) for days when the snow is really old or dirty.  Other than that, just use CH.

Hope that helps.  There are some wax freaks out there who spend three hours every night cleaning their bases, applying different wax cycles, brushing, applying ceraF powders (which are 100% fluorocarbon)...it can get really involved.  As long as you're cleaning, waxing, scraping, and brushing every few days, your bases will stay in great shape.
very good description, and like i stated in my video and stated above, 95% of the time you are only gonna be using CH unless you are racing or in a comp where you need all the speed you can get
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