Quoting sltkid from Jun 13 2008 9:54:30:
oops, typing too faast.. lots of typo's;

I agree and know first hand about what eastAR5$ is takling about.  more then 70% of return employees and long term staff left this year on their own doing or the owners firing spree. Its all about the $$... he's a business man and its about the bottom line in his eyes. he doesnt care that ALL his main staff and emloyees of 5-9yrs left if he can find someone to do the job cheaper reguardless of peoduct he will. HE IS TRYING TO SELL THE CAMP>>> ITS ON THE MARKET! so he's tryin to pad his pockets as much as possible this summer.  Not only did he lose his video staff, but lost his head ski coach of 10yrs, head snowboard coach of 8yrs, Park manager of 9yrs ( He built the best park windells has seen in more then 6 years last summer), his Adult program manager ( the guy thats runs all the 18+ stuff) also his camp director and interns.... so its not do to the jobs they were doing cause he had a record season profit last year and a record snow year this year!!  It comes down to $$ and the bottom line... thats it!  I know because alot of the ppl i know work there still or did work there and I did (was going to be my 1st year) but Tim did the same to my boss... agrees on a price with him on his wages and ours then flaked out because he wanted to save $$ and my boss said no deal and stuck to his guns! ( good work!!)  now we all had to try to get our houses back and jobs back for the summer... some of us werent and are living on friends couches do to his penny pinching and greed, not our boss's fault. He actually did his best to take good care of us and make sure Tim wasnt screwing us over like he has to ppl in the past.  The result of his penny pinching just with my boss and our crew... Session 1 = NO PARK!!!  all the campers that paid 1800$ to be coached in a sick PRIVATE park got to ride the public park with everyone else...  how would YOU feel if it was ur 1800$  So my advice is... well i would say the same thing as eastAR5$
Support the camps that care about their staff... because the staff is what makes CAMP!!

THESE ARE TRUE FACTS AND ARE FROM ALL THE HEAD PPL tTHAT WORKED AND PPL STILL WORKING FOR THE CAMP> 
ANyone else that disagree's is probably someone that is on TIMS payroll that is sucking at the power tit!!  SO GO SUCK IT!!

Quoting the_spaniard$ from Jun 13 2008 10:25:53:
word. i had to work my ass off to go to windells (just got back from sesh 1.)  we did not even go near windells park, we just hit up the public park. day 1 there wasn't even a decent public park, we seshed one 2 foot wide flat box. we basically only got 3 days of legit skiing, and i paid for six.

Quoting the_spaniard$ from Jun 14 2008 12:23:16:
no we didn't get anything, i'm hoping we might get some sort of discount for next year or something, but i hiiiiiiighly doubt that.

Quoting papasteeze from Jun 13 2008 10:42:00:
Oh wow..  aliases coming outa the woodwork.  yay  been waiting for a hot and heated thread since the snow melted.  Going to make a bag of popcorn,  brb.


C'mon Windells peeps, post up!  whats going on?

Quoting brendonnrego from Jun 14 2008 5:33:46:
Look guys, I'm one of the interns, this story is completely true, I don't even ski, I was linked to this post from a snowboarding forum, all you people posting like this isn't the correct story, you guys really have no fucking clue. I've been here for a week spent tons of cash to get out here, I am an intern, the job we do, Tim Windell pays for nothing, he makes profit off of the camper videos we do, while we live at Eric's house and Eric pays for our passes, not Tim Windell, on the other hand, Tim Windell told Eric he wanted the session video to go home free with every camper, and Eric told Tim an estimated budget that would cover the DVD's and once he had told Tim that, Tim had said nevermind. So Eric made about 8 COPIES, that is it, for session 1 to sell, to gain money to be able to mass produce the session videos to give out to every camper for session 2 or 3, that was the plan. That is why he was selling them, Tim then fired Eric because of that, which he had no reason to, Eric is a completley honest, and extremely respectable person, he was doing this out of his own good, the guy could making plenty more money working another job, but he choses to do the video intern thing to give people like me an oppurtunity to come out and ride Windells for a summer. Tim Windell in my eyes is a unrespectable fat piece of shit. He doesn't care about anyone, and as stated before, he will fire you on the spot for no reason if he is pissed off just because he knows he can get someone else to do the job, it is FUCKING SUMMER CAMP after all. But on the real note, the story posted is the truth, it seemed as Tim just had something against Eric so he fired him, I had introduced my self to him 30 seconds prior to losing my job under Eric, and he did not give a fuck, I've come from Rhode Island to Mt. Hood, been here for about week dropped well over a grand and now I am stranded with no job in Oregon. Tim doesn't care I will never tell anyone to go to Windells ever in my life again especially after experiencing and meeting this douchebag. The video packages I intern for actually get people to be frequent campers for example my camper I filmed this session ( session 1 ) said he was coming back because he liked the fact he could ride summer camp and get filmed on his progression at a summer camp. Tim also didn't push the crew on the hill to do anything, these session 1 campers didn't even get to ride Windells, they rode public park and missed 3 days of there session. On one of the off days they got 10 dollars to a thrift store and a trip to a muesem in comepensation, how fucking retarted is that. All I have to say is do not go to Windells if you have any common sense what so ever and have read this thread, what you are reading is a completley unbiased post coming from a kid who has been at Windells for a week, met Tim Windell and has known Eric the video dude for a week.

Quoting stept$ from Jun 14 2008 10:32:48:
Wow, i feel for you man. Every camp does it, session 1 always nothing is set up and all the camps are just like "awww its chill well just start setting everything up the day sesh 1 gets here, and by the time they leave it will all be ready to go...." sooooo lame, fuck that, but every camp does it

Quoting BEARS.$ from Jun 13 2008 7:58:52:
he had to have some reason.

Quoting brendonnrego from Jun 14 2008 5:36:43:
Eric also put the money on Tim Windells table and told him to take it, and Tim said no you take it you're going to need it.

Quoting SteezyMcDizzle from Jun 14 2008 1:31:12:
the best part is that they can fire you with no warning but they expect you to give them two weeks notice.

Quoting Salcedo from Jun 14 2008 1:21:59:
Personally I think people are just too damn desperate to ski during the summer. Get out of the northern hemisphere is you need to ski. For that much you could spend two weeks, maybe longer, in Chile or Argentina skiing on real snow rather than slush.

Quoting SteezyMcDizzle from Jun 14 2008 1:31:12:
the best part is that they can fire you with no warning but they expect you to give them two weeks notice.

Quoting papasteeze from Jun 14 2008 1:34:45:
Okay..  I think I got the summary now.

Windells was paying someone to make movies to be given to campers.  That movie maker couldn't come to terms with the camp and proceeded to work under their own terms and not the camps.

The Camp got pissed and told the movie maker to leave.  Crew that worked for movie maker is now out of the job.  hmmmmmm.....   Sounds more to me that the movie maker let his crew down by not reaching an agreement.  But hey,  that is a detached observation from the outside looking in.

Quoting brendonnrego from Jun 14 2008 5:33:46:
Tim also didn't push the crew on the hill to do anything, these session 1 campers didn't even get to ride Windells, they rode public park and missed 3 days of there session. On one of the off days they got 10 dollars to a thrift store and a trip to a muesem in comepensation, how fucking retarted is that. All I have to say is do not go to Windells if you have any common sense what so ever and have read this thread, what you are reading is a completley unbiased post coming from a kid who has been at Windells for a week, met Tim Windell and has known Eric the video dude for a week.

Quoting papasteeze from Jun 14 2008 1:34:45:
Okay..  I think I got the summary now.

Windells was paying someone to make movies to be given to campers.  That movie maker couldn't come to terms with the camp and proceeded to work under their own terms and not the camps.

The Camp got pissed and told the movie maker to leave.  Crew that worked for movie maker is now out of the job.  hmmmmmm.....   Sounds more to me that the movie maker let his crew down by not reaching an agreement.  But hey,  that is a detached observation from the outside looking in.

Quoting stowebum$$ from Jun 14 2008 2:08:05:
PAPASTEEZE you're straight up pissing me off with your clear bias and favor being shown towards windells

Quoting papasteeze from Jun 14 2008 1:34:45:
Okay..  I think I got the summary now.

Windells was paying someone to make movies to be given to campers.  That movie maker couldn't come to terms with the camp and proceeded to work under their own terms and not the camps.

The Camp got pissed and told the movie maker to leave.  Crew that worked for movie maker is now out of the job.  hmmmmmm.....   Sounds more to me that the movie maker let his crew down by not reaching an agreement.  But hey,  that is a detached observation from the outside looking in.

Quoting cobra_commander$ from Jun 14 2008 3:05:51:
Rob you need to stop being so one sided about this. It is clear that the movie crew was not given enough money to get dvds to every camper, they tried to sell some copyies to make it so they could give others away. And mr. Windell being the dickface he is decides to fire them.

And how would you like it if you paid $1800 of  your hard earned money plus plane tickets to send your little bundle of joy off to Windells and it turns out he only got to ski for half the time and the time he did get to ski he had to ski the public park with everyone else instead of getting to ski the private park that you paid for?

Quoting M.Nairn from Jun 14 2008 3:09:29:
skiing public park has nothing to do with the filmers being fired.

Quoting papasteeze from Jun 14 2008 1:34:45:
Windells was paying someone to make movies to be given to campers.  That movie maker couldn't come to terms with the camp and proceeded to work under their own terms and not the camps.

Quoting quebecfreesty...$ from Jun 14 2008 3:15:02:
They mentionned that the video guy talked with the owner and the owner saw the budget (wich I would assume had the money made buy selling the 8 copies aty 15$). The owner said he didnt mind and the video guy proceeded to make teh 8 cppies to sell since the owner said he didnt mind.

Quoting cobra_commander$ from Jun 14 2008 3:05:51:
Rob you need to stop being so one sided about this. It is clear that the movie crew was not given enough money to get dvds to every camper,

Quoting meggers$ from Jun 14 2008 10:01:52:
dude it totally sucks.

unfortunately that is how the world works. there are some jobs where the people who run them feel like you should feel privileged to work there. ive worked at one before, my mom works at one now, and if they can make you feel that way they can make you do what they want, when they want and if you dont they will fire you becuase there are other people to do your job and do it cheaper. thats why lots of people are miserable at their jobs. Im just sorry it had to happen at a summer ski camp.

hope all you kids remember this, because some day some of you will be in charge of company's and in charge of making as much money for the company, whether it is yours or not, and you have a choice to fire people for no reason for the bottom line of the most profit. just hope you can make the right choice when it is your time.

Quoting quebecfreesty...$ from Jun 14 2008 3:15:02:
first thing: Did the video guy mentionned the sale of the 8 copies in his budget he proposed to the owner?

second thing: Did the owner really read the budget before saying he would mind?

Quoting iwashdishes from Jun 14 2008 3:32:57:
as for deleting this thread? c'mon papasteez, your apology maybe??

Quoting quebecfreesty...$ from Jun 14 2008 3:15:02:


It's a shtty situation for everyone involved anyway but I believe we would need more infos in order to take a side.

Quoting eastAR5$ from Jun 14 2008 3:45:36:
Eric was straight up one of hte chillest and most generous guy you'll ever meet. He bought us interns tickets, booze, food all summer , let us ride a ton and at the end of the day he doesn't make anything. It's not just like he can just go down to Rhodeondron and find another job.... i dont know what he is going to do now

Quoting AdrenalineGar... from Jun 14 2008 3:37:52:
Since I have friend on the video crew, who is now without a job, I've talked to independent sources--former employees who know and have talked with Eric and Tim recently--to find out more about what's going on.Tim agreed to buy every camper a video, therefore there was no need and no point to sell the videos. Eric agreed months ago to do that work for that amount of money. Later, after making the agreement, Eric wanted to renegotiate. Tim disagreed. Eric then proceeded to sell the videos, which Tim had purchased for each camper. Eric got fired. The video crew got caught in the middle.I think there could be a solution that would make a lot of people happy. But it needs to start with calming down and understanding where the other side is coming from.