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the rise in a ski usually starts very late in the ski, where the contact of the ski to snow is... other wise known as the contact point... after that it rises to the tip. Early rise is when the ski has the contact point set farther back on the ski. Rocker on the other hand is a whole different animal all together.
Rocker is more dramatic and puts the contact point much farther back in the ski.
Armada ( and someone correct me if I am wrong) and line have been using early rise for a while so they can use a longer surface area and longer ski that feels as if it is shorter. Thus using less tip height to make up for float and maneuverability.
I could go on... but I might be totally wrong.
sounds like a stick for the super cruising on the large faced pitches. has the hippy vibe to it if you ask me... but thats just me.
Reverse Camber skis do not.
I still dont understand the difference between early rise and rocker.
lets just call early rise a very very small rocker.
and lets just call rocker a very advanced extreme and abrupt amount of early rise.
jesus christ.
from now on rocker is out.
Its all the same really, set up to do the same thing in varying degrees. no?
For example, the hellbents have full ROCKER, meaning the ENTIRE ski is bent, or rockered, in the tip, underfoot, tail. If you set it on its side it would look like a mini rainbow shape.
With lines "early rise" there is no camber underfoot, its just flat(at least on EP pros, maybe there is even slight camber on the moships), and either the tip and tail, or just the tip, rise up like rocker, just not along the entire ski like spatulas, hellbents, etc.
I was pretty sure that "rocker" and "reverse camber" were the same thing, hence lines whole point of coming up with "early rise" as opposed to full rocker/reverse camber. If a ski only goes up in the tip, or tail, wouldnt you say it has a "rockered tip" or "rockered tail", not just simply that its "rockered"?
Reverse camber = Like a cambered ski only inverted. A continuous curve praxis spat etc
Rocker = a section of reverse camber
That being said, there are skis with varying amounts of rocker as well early rise. Site the EP pro with someone brought up. That has a large amount of early rise because it is a primarily powder ski, where as some of the other line skis with early rise have less of it.
Same goes for rockered skis. Some like the Hellbent have a great deal of rocker and some have much less. it depends on the intended use of the ski and its overall design.
What separates rocker/early rise from reverse camber is that in reverse camber is carried out through the entire ski, rocker/ early rise skis can either have a flat section under the foot with 0 camber or traditional camber underfoot, again depending on the design and intended use of the ski.
Hope that clears things up for everyone.
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Subject: 09 motherships?
im an idiot and put it in the wrong forum. so dont reply to the other one
Anyone know anything about these skis? All the gear preview says is: "142-111-131, stiff as a board and tough as nails". I read in another thread that they were rockered. true?
Im guessing there just somewhere in between the prophet 100 and 130. a little stiffer
-n
Anyone know anything about these skis? All the gear preview says is: "142-111-131, stiff as a board and tough as nails". I read in another thread that they were rockered. true?
Im guessing there just somewhere in between the prophet 100 and 130. a little stiffer
-n
i think there is a slight rocker in the tip. i tried them a few weeks ago and they were awesome. they are pretty stiff but still very managable.
early rise like the ep, one of the stiffest skis ive ever flexed, but i think theyre gonna fucking rock. the graphic on it is beautiful in person, the wood is all stained and the grain on it looks super strong
what sizes?
uuhhmm i think it has sumwhat of a rocker but look up the sia video on the main pages in the video scroll bar section
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early rise in the tip ti matrix and sidewall unlike the other prophets..
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awesome
What the hell is early rise? does that mean rocker?
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This is going to be one bad ass ski.
This is going to be one bad ass ski.
Can somebody get a camber profile shot.
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thats a beautiful ski
art looks like its off a surfboard
to stiff though
art looks like its off a surfboard
to stiff though
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Quoting theres_ghosts from May 30 2008 11:59:57:
thats a beautiful ski
art looks like its off a surfboard
to stiff though
impposible thats a beautiful ski
art looks like its off a surfboard
to stiff though
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Quoting ESAND from May 29 2008 12:24:49:
What the hell is early rise? does that mean rocker?
contact point is set back further on the ski. helps keep the tip from diving in powder.What the hell is early rise? does that mean rocker?
So is it the same as rocker.
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Quoting ESAND from Jun 9 2008 11:38:07:
So is it the same as rocker.
no, it means the ski rises early.So is it the same as rocker.
the rise in a ski usually starts very late in the ski, where the contact of the ski to snow is... other wise known as the contact point... after that it rises to the tip. Early rise is when the ski has the contact point set farther back on the ski. Rocker on the other hand is a whole different animal all together.
Rocker is more dramatic and puts the contact point much farther back in the ski.
Armada ( and someone correct me if I am wrong) and line have been using early rise for a while so they can use a longer surface area and longer ski that feels as if it is shorter. Thus using less tip height to make up for float and maneuverability.
I could go on... but I might be totally wrong.
sounds like a stick for the super cruising on the large faced pitches. has the hippy vibe to it if you ask me... but thats just me.
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you are right, plus early rise skis still have camber, where rocker skis have no camber...
and the new motherships are awesome, they only come in 185 or 195.. it's definitely a big mountain charger ski..
and the new motherships are awesome, they only come in 185 or 195.. it's definitely a big mountain charger ski..
Quoting feedbacker from Jun 10 2008 2:07:57:
you are right, plus early rise skis still have camber, where rocker skis have no camber...and the new motherships are awesome, they only come in 185 or 195.. it's definitely a big mountain charger ski..
nuh uh, my rockers had camber... just not alot of it.you are right, plus early rise skis still have camber, where rocker skis have no camber...and the new motherships are awesome, they only come in 185 or 195.. it's definitely a big mountain charger ski..
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Quoting feedbacker from Jun 10 2008 2:07:57:
you are right, plus early rise skis still have camber, where rocker skis have no camber...and the new motherships are awesome, they only come in 185 or 195.. it's definitely a big mountain charger ski..
Rocked skis can have camber.you are right, plus early rise skis still have camber, where rocker skis have no camber...and the new motherships are awesome, they only come in 185 or 195.. it's definitely a big mountain charger ski..
Reverse Camber skis do not.
I still dont understand the difference between early rise and rocker.
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Quoting ESAND from Jun 10 2008 2:11:09:
Rocked skis can have camber.
Reverse Camber skis do not.
I still dont understand the difference between early rise and rocker.
Its semantics, theyre are technically one in the same.Rocked skis can have camber.
Reverse Camber skis do not.
I still dont understand the difference between early rise and rocker.
lets just call early rise a very very small rocker.
and lets just call rocker a very advanced extreme and abrupt amount of early rise.
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Quoting Klick_2_klaim
from Jun 10 2008 3:24:38:
Its semantics, theyre are technically one in the same.
lets just call early rise a very very small rocker.
and lets just call rocker a very advanced extreme and abrupt amount of early rise.
sounds good to me from Jun 10 2008 3:24:38:Its semantics, theyre are technically one in the same.
lets just call early rise a very very small rocker.
and lets just call rocker a very advanced extreme and abrupt amount of early rise.
Quoting Klick_2_klaim from Jun 10 2008 3:24:38:
lets just call early rise a very very small rocker.
and lets just call rocker a very advanced extreme and abrupt amount of early rise.
What about ep pros. That is a lot of "early rise." I think line just wanted to be different.
from Jun 10 2008 3:24:38:lets just call early rise a very very small rocker.
and lets just call rocker a very advanced extreme and abrupt amount of early rise.
Quoting huge-go from Jun 11 2008 6:16:15:
What about ep pros. That is a lot of "early rise." I think line just wanted to be different.
ok seriously?What about ep pros. That is a lot of "early rise." I think line just wanted to be different.
jesus christ.
from now on rocker is out.
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so how much early rise or rocker do the moships have?
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Quoting Klick_2_klaim from Jun 11 2008 9:44:00:
ok seriously?
jesus christ.
from now on rocker is out.
I was just saying that you guys are trying to classiy that shit, when they're the same thing.
from Jun 11 2008 9:44:00:ok seriously?
jesus christ.
from now on rocker is out.
Quoting huge-go from Jun 11 2008 9:55:01:
I was just saying that you guys are trying to classiy that shit, when they're the same thing.
Actually, I was trying to generalize the whole thing.I was just saying that you guys are trying to classiy that shit, when they're the same thing.
Its all the same really, set up to do the same thing in varying degrees. no?
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Quoting ESAND from Jun 11 2008 9:49:05:
so how much early rise or rocker do the moships have?
not muchso how much early rise or rocker do the moships have?
Quoting nickwm21 from Jun 12 2008 12:50:46:
not much
well fiddlesticks that is pewpnot much
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Quoting Klick_2_klaim from Jun 11 2008 10:27:26:
Actually, I was trying to generalize the whole thing.
Its all the same really, set up to do the same thing in varying degrees. no?
Actually you guys arent understanding early rise, its not the same thing as rocker. from Jun 11 2008 10:27:26:Actually, I was trying to generalize the whole thing.
Its all the same really, set up to do the same thing in varying degrees. no?
For example, the hellbents have full ROCKER, meaning the ENTIRE ski is bent, or rockered, in the tip, underfoot, tail. If you set it on its side it would look like a mini rainbow shape.
With lines "early rise" there is no camber underfoot, its just flat(at least on EP pros, maybe there is even slight camber on the moships), and either the tip and tail, or just the tip, rise up like rocker, just not along the entire ski like spatulas, hellbents, etc.
Quoting mike_d from Aug 20 2008 2:50:43:
Actually you guys arent understanding early rise, its not the same thing as rocker.For example, the hellbents have full ROCKER, meaning the ENTIRE ski is bent, or rockered, in the tip, underfoot, tail. If you set it on its side it would look like a mini rainbow shape.With lines "early rise" there is no camber underfoot, its just flat(at least on EP pros, maybe there is even slight camber on the moships), and either the tip and tail, or just the tip, rise up like rocker, just not along the entire ski like spatulas, hellbents, etc.
you're wrong.Actually you guys arent understanding early rise, its not the same thing as rocker.For example, the hellbents have full ROCKER, meaning the ENTIRE ski is bent, or rockered, in the tip, underfoot, tail. If you set it on its side it would look like a mini rainbow shape.With lines "early rise" there is no camber underfoot, its just flat(at least on EP pros, maybe there is even slight camber on the moships), and either the tip and tail, or just the tip, rise up like rocker, just not along the entire ski like spatulas, hellbents, etc.
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Quoting ESAND from Aug 20 2008 6:39:12:
you're wrong.
Really? Explain....
you're wrong.
Quoting mike_d from Aug 20 2008 7:21:18:
Really? Explain....
Hellbents have a flat spot underfoot, because the whole point of rocker is to still have a managable ski on hard snow. What you described is reverse camber.
Really? Explain....
Quoting huge-go from Aug 20 2008 7:25:53:
Hellbents have a flat spot underfoot, because the whole point of rocker is to still have a managable ski on hard snow. What you described is reverse camber.
bingo.
Hellbents have a flat spot underfoot, because the whole point of rocker is to still have a managable ski on hard snow. What you described is reverse camber.
Quoting huge-go from Aug 20 2008 7:25:53:
Hellbents have a flat spot underfoot, because the whole point of rocker is to still have a managable ski on hard snow. What you described is reverse camber.
Well if thats true then I guess I was wrong...I thought that the hellbents had full rocker, didnt know there was a flat spot under foot?Hellbents have a flat spot underfoot, because the whole point of rocker is to still have a managable ski on hard snow. What you described is reverse camber.
I was pretty sure that "rocker" and "reverse camber" were the same thing, hence lines whole point of coming up with "early rise" as opposed to full rocker/reverse camber. If a ski only goes up in the tip, or tail, wouldnt you say it has a "rockered tip" or "rockered tail", not just simply that its "rockered"?
^ i have no idea on the exact terminology, i just call every ski rockered thats bent the other way. But my hellbents definitely have a flat spot in the middle, even a tiny bit (1mm or so) of regular camber.
Quoting mike_d from Aug 20 2008 7:35:40:
Well if thats true then I guess I was wrong...I thought that the hellbents had full rocker, didnt know there was a flat spot under foot? I was pretty sure that "rocker" and "reverse camber" were the same thing, hence lines whole point of coming up with "early rise" as opposed to full rocker/reverse camber. If a ski only goes up in the tip, or tail, wouldnt you say it has a "rockered tip" or "rockered tail", not just simply that its "rockered"?
I'd say that the ski is rockered in the tip or has tip rocker or somethingWell if thats true then I guess I was wrong...I thought that the hellbents had full rocker, didnt know there was a flat spot under foot? I was pretty sure that "rocker" and "reverse camber" were the same thing, hence lines whole point of coming up with "early rise" as opposed to full rocker/reverse camber. If a ski only goes up in the tip, or tail, wouldnt you say it has a "rockered tip" or "rockered tail", not just simply that its "rockered"?
Reverse camber = Like a cambered ski only inverted. A continuous curve praxis spat etc
Rocker = a section of reverse camber
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Quoting mike_d from Aug 20 2008 7:35:40:
I was pretty sure that "rocker" and "reverse camber" were the same thing, hence lines whole point of coming up with "early rise" as opposed to full rocker/reverse camber. If a ski only goes up in the tip, or tail, wouldnt you say it has a "rockered tip" or "rockered tail", not just simply that its "rockered"?
Its all a marketing thing. In order to be able to say they have a different technology than other ski companies Line uses the term "early rise" as apposed to "rocker" Its a way to differentiate themselves from a sea of new rockered skis. I was pretty sure that "rocker" and "reverse camber" were the same thing, hence lines whole point of coming up with "early rise" as opposed to full rocker/reverse camber. If a ski only goes up in the tip, or tail, wouldnt you say it has a "rockered tip" or "rockered tail", not just simply that its "rockered"?
That being said, there are skis with varying amounts of rocker as well early rise. Site the EP pro with someone brought up. That has a large amount of early rise because it is a primarily powder ski, where as some of the other line skis with early rise have less of it.
Same goes for rockered skis. Some like the Hellbent have a great deal of rocker and some have much less. it depends on the intended use of the ski and its overall design.
What separates rocker/early rise from reverse camber is that in reverse camber is carried out through the entire ski, rocker/ early rise skis can either have a flat section under the foot with 0 camber or traditional camber underfoot, again depending on the design and intended use of the ski.
Hope that clears things up for everyone.
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