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Pretzels definition

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quebecfreestyler
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A pretzel is a spin out of a rail  spinning on the opposite direction of the way you actually got on the rail. It was at first a snowboarding manoeuvers and then we poached the name.
 In skiing, pretzels are a bit different since the  regular fs 270 out is a change of spinning direction.

basically if you want to do any kind of pretzels on skis, you have to spin at least 180 degree.
 so a siwtch up ( rotating 180 while sliding the rail) then psinning out the opposite direction is a pretzel spin out.

so  270 in spinning to the right and then spinning a 270 out to the left is a 270 in pretzel 270 out.

 right foot foward to fs switch up ( 180 to the right) tehn a 270 out to the left is a  fs switch up  pretzel 270 out.

450 on to the right  then 270 out to the left is 450 on pretzel 270

Ect

 switch on bs 270 out should not be  called a pretzel in the skiing  meaning of the words since there is no spins greater then 180 in it

hope that helps and theat we wont see any other threads about them in the future.
Dec 12 2007 12:42PM
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quebecfreestyler
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i dont want to be a claimer but these are different pretzels variation.
https://newschoolers.com/web/content/videos/id/154930/member_id/1356/hide_header/1/

Dec 12 2007 12:44PM
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styl.tweakit
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thanks dood.
Dec 12 2007 12:46PM
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jimmychung
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good clarification. i think i remember seeing someone claiming a pretzel could be rotating 90 out in the opposite direction
Dec 12 2007 12:50PM
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landonn
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could you do like a  left 270 on and 90 out and that would be a pretzel because your spinnig opposite off or like left 90 on and right 270 out and that would be a pretzel,if not, wat would you call it?
Dec 12 2007 1:06PM
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Tapes
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the first one would be 270 in, fakie out or something like that and the second is just (fs) 270 out.
Dec 12 2007 1:09PM
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monkeysteez
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i agree with this for the most part but what about going on forward then a fs 360 sw up to switch. that should definetley b called a pretzel even tho there is not a 180 degree spin b4 or after the sw up. it has two changes in direction and the latter one is extremely difficult. i call it a pretzel. sorry.
Dec 12 2007 1:17PM
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quebecfreestyler
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pretzel mean changing your spinning direction getting off switch is  not really a spion isnt it?? then why call it a pretzel.
pretzel makes sense only if you SPIN the oposite direction of the way you first spun.

Are fakie 270 to pretzel  270 harder then switch 270  blindside 270out?
 not really but they are still a pretzel.

If it's too hard for you to understand, just name it with the way you spun.

Ex: 270 in pretzel out is uin fact a 270 in blindside 270 out.

fakie 270 pretzel 270 out is a fakie 270  frontside (downhill) 270 out 

Dec 12 2007 1:29PM
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landonn
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i just got a bag of pretzels. sounded so good. hahah.
Dec 12 2007 1:40PM
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luke8
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i like pretzels to eat!

when people trow pretzels you see that they block with the downhill ski and keep looking up, then they trow the 270 out but are there some tricks to trow then easier?

Dec 12 2007 2:23PM
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hawaiiansteeze
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tom wallnuts is pretty good at these pretzles you speak of. 
Dec 12 2007 2:40PM
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FUUUCK
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it's really not that complicated.

spin in one direction, and then spin in the opposite direction.

Dec 12 2007 2:41PM
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uni-corn
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So i have a n00b question...

If i go 90 to the right getting on, don't switch it up on the rail and then come 270 out to the left, would that be regular on, pretzel 270 out?

Or how about if i went 90 on, but kept spinning on the rail and then right before i got off, changed my direction to a 270 out, that would be one too. Right?
Dec 12 2007 2:53PM
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OCTO_TRUCKDRIVER
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left 90 right foot on skier slide to right 270 off = skierslide pretzel 270 (PRETZEL = YOU BREAK THE ROTATION) 

left 90 right foot on, left 270 off = skierslide bagel (BAGEL = you complete rotation, do you skiers get it)

Skiing has basically stolen the term pretzel, and since no one actually knows what the true meaning of it is, everyone thinks it just spinning the opposite way on switchups and 270s on, wake up, if were gonna steal a term from boarding lets USE it correctly, it makes a lot of things not as confusing.
Dec 12 2007 3:05PM
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FUUUCK
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no, thats a front-side 270 out.


yeah thats a pretzel, as long as you spin npast the first 90 degrees.
Dec 12 2007 3:06PM
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FUUUCK
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in skiing a pretzel has a different definition though, just like a mute grab in skiing is nothing like a mute in snowboarding.
Dec 12 2007 3:08PM
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quebecfreestyler
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 dude, i totally know the true meaning of snowboard pretzels.
 the skiers just took the name cause it sounded cool and  changed their definition a little bit.

 think  switch, cab and fakie are good words for going backward???
 none of them define going backward on a snowboard or skateboard. we still use them  all to define what we do when you ski down the hill ass-first.

Dec 12 2007 3:10PM
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DRPSET
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agreed, it's dumb to attach the criterion that it be over 180. It makes a more compelling distinction if you keep it simple.
Dec 12 2007 3:13PM
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dozerr
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i thought it was called op?!
Dec 12 2007 3:15PM
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Klick_2_klaim
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says who?
SO spin lip 270 on to right foot forward to left 270 out. this = a pretzel out. spinning on the rail has shit to do with it.
Dec 12 2007 3:20PM
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OCTO_TRUCKDRIVER
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totally understand, i know, but.. i think for the better sake of skiing if we use the bagel, pretzel terms the same way as boarding... it will make stuff ALOT less confusing, skiing already sounds stupid for renaming tricks that already have names .... kangaroo flip = dub flatspin  dj flip= switch dub rodeo whiskey flip= double back (or whatever, double flair same thing more less). I jsut think its pointless that skiing is renaming everything, or using it to certain degrees. if we just actually used those terms for everything it would make life so so much easier, plus make are sport sound somewhat legit. 
Dec 12 2007 4:47PM
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EMK
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why do people need to argue anymore? ced's description is perfect. i think some people that aren't good enough to actally pretzel just want it to be easier so can say they can do them. i just cant, yet.
Dec 12 2007 5:01PM
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OCTO_TRUCKDRIVER
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LOL
Dec 12 2007 5:09PM
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DeSena
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has anyone tried to pretzle on tramp, its impossssible, 180 pretz 180 in air, pep steeze
Dec 12 2007 5:14PM
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bobs
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we call switch on half pretzels. even if you dont call it pretzel. switch on blind 2 out is a fun trick
Dec 12 2007 5:18PM
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jKutcher
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you have your unsalted pretzel, you salted pretzel, and buttered pretzel
Dec 12 2007 5:54PM
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levistewart
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pretzels are called reptar bars yo guys are wacko
Dec 12 2007 5:57PM
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anxju
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i win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thats what i said in the "how do you define a pretzel" thread! i win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 everyone gimme plus karma!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dec 12 2007 6:03PM
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quixotic
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Actually, I believe Pep was 90, opposite 270.
Dec 12 2007 6:12PM
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tBatt
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congrats. i almost had the exact definition as ced posted in the other thread too.
Dec 12 2007 6:14PM
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davar6
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word but you cant forget the cinnamon and sugar pretzels... with extra butterage and some sweetness
Dec 12 2007 6:31PM
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poofartpee
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agreed on the u have to spin at least 270 on
Dec 12 2007 7:33PM
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Treestman
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why dont we ask tom wallisch haha
Dec 12 2007 7:36PM
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zaser
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THIS THREAD IS SO WRONG HOLY FUCK!

pretzel = opposite spin as the previous spin. so fs 270 out is skierslide pretzel. just like it would be back or frontboard pretzel on a snowboard. doesn't have to be a fucking 180 how hard is it to understand. why do skiers have to try and re-invent/claim everything haha.
Dec 12 2007 8:16PM
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EVAN.F
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because a pretzel is supposed to be a hard trick. a 90 on fs 270 out is the most basic trick in the book. this isnt snowboarding, ya skiing took the pretzels from snowboarding but we can still change it to how we want.
Dec 12 2007 9:29PM
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Schoening
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and your ian compton overbaked pretzels.


Dec 12 2007 9:36PM
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levistewart
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the best are honey mustard 
Dec 12 2007 9:45PM
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snowboardersrule
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you made it sound way more complicated than it is. you just spin out the opposite way you went into the rail. 
Dec 12 2007 10:06PM
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spliff.Life
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cool
Dec 12 2007 10:35PM
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bpalmer
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you guys know whats good pretzels with peanut butter
Dec 12 2007 10:46PM
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jerad
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AMEN.

i am sooo sick of people claiming "pretzel 270 out"

they should post this on the orange "Rules of the Terrain Park" signs you see riding into the park
Dec 12 2007 11:34PM
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ElliottP
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wait... so what is a pretzel??
Dec 12 2007 11:40PM
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OCTO_TRUCKDRIVER
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hahah YA MAN MORE NEW SKIING DEFINITIONS IN TRICKS. 

pretzel is NOT supposed to be a hard trick, the only reason you heard it is because a man named corey vanular actually uses real names for tricks, and now every kid thinks a pretzel needs to be a hard trick, or that a pretzel you have to 270 on to do? which goes against its complete definition. why dont we just make A BRAND NEW NAME for a trick that has a name already! skiings really good at doing that, so lets just call pretzels LIGHTINGSLIDE
Dec 13 2007 12:06AM
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zaser
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uhh since when does pretzel have to be a hard trick. it is a fucking name not a difficulty rating! the ollie in skateboarding isn't a hard trick (depending on what it's done on of course) and they still say it's an ollie.

haha something is very wrong with skiing if trick names come down to how hard the trick is.
Dec 13 2007 12:09AM
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zaser
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STICKY btw. this should go down as the funniest thing to ever grace the internet.
Dec 13 2007 12:13AM
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levistewart
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whatss it called when a snow boarder does front board and comes out forward
Dec 13 2007 12:22AM
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zaser
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front board. if he comes out sw you can say front board to switch i guess but no one says that.
Dec 13 2007 12:27AM
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frampton
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they call it oppo and same way i think. like front board to regular out is oppo, like opposite way out, and front board to switch would be same way out. i think...
Dec 13 2007 12:28AM
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levistewart
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this stuffs to technical im out
Dec 13 2007 1:01AM
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snowboardersrule
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not that you care, but oppo is a skier term. its all pretzel in boarding. a front board to reg is a front borard and a front board to switch is a front board to fakie. 
Dec 13 2007 1:08AM
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Elijah.
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I vote we just call them Wallisches.
Dec 13 2007 1:10AM
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