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if he checked your shell fit you're good. if he didn't and only measured your MP size there's a problem.
hopefully the shop has a bootfit guarantee. if they do then you should be good. if not, give them shit and go somewhere else from now on.
The rampage is a narrow fitting boot while the foil has a wide forefoot and narrow heel
A question as well, seeing as some people here really know their stuff. I tried on a pair of SPK's just for shits and giggles because I need a new pair of boots next year, and from what I've heard they sounded like they might actually fit my foot. Now, they were super comfy, and I had one on one foot and my skate shoe on the other, and they felt really really good. But that's not always a good thing is it? They felt like they were tight around my foot, but I really don't know. I have a high instep, so I was worried that they might numb my toes after having them on for a while, but after the half hour my foot felt fine. I'm still going to see a fitter, but does this sound like a typical case of SPK stoke without basis? I did describe my foot in another post on this thread if anyone wants to know what my foot is like...
My only caution to you with the SPK is if you are going to ski more outside of the park, you may want a more traditional boot. The SPK was designed to feel more like a skate shoe in that you can make subtle adjustments to your foot placement prior to take-off.
Take any advide on here with a grain of salt seeing as though none of us can actually see your foot to suggest anything. Go to your local shop and talk to a bootfitter about your options. Make sure you let them know everything about your skiing style (ie where you ski, how aggressive, etc...)
we can go off and say everything we know about boots but in the end, the person to give you the best recomendation is the bootfitter at your local shop
Keep in mind that stretching, punching and grinding are always options. So if you're between boots, say one has a perfect toebox and the other has a perfect ankle pocket, I would push you towards the one with the better ankle. Toeboxes and forefoot problems are by far the easiest to fix on a ski boot. It really helps to buy from a shop that has a lot of the equipment needed to perform this work, as well as a competent bootfitter.
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Subject: Guide On: How to Buy Ski Boots
From the responses of my last two boot threads, its apparent you wanted it as a sticky. Now, just because I such a nice guy, I have made a final copy with pictures describing the process as best as I can. My apologies for making so many of these threads, but I feel its necessary for everyone to know how to properly buy boots in the absence of a professional fitter.
Over the past few weeks or so, I have noticed many threads on boots. "Which boots should I get?", "ZOMGZZZ new SPK's?", How do the Lange FR 120's feel?" and so forth.
I don’t really know how to say this, but we cant possibly recommend you a boot on the internet- however, you can assess and recommend your own boot. This may be a lot of writing, but, hopefully I cover everything. If anyone else has anything to add, please do so.
For a proper fit, you have to try on many different models and styles of boots. The SPK has a completely different fit than a Lange FR 120, as does a Krypton and a Scratch. You must try boots on to see what fits the shape of your foot. Your foot has many dimensions that have to be taken into account when trying them on, including length, width, height, and overall shape.
Keep in mind, if you’re a park skier, you may want to look into more park specific boots. Yet, you don’t NEED a park boot for park. Simon Dumont was riding some rec. boots for quite some time. THE FIT, FLEX, AND CLOSEUR SYSTEM ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN WHAT THE BOOT IS DESCRIBED TO DO
When getting a boot fit, try to shop when there is no one else around. That will ensure the fitter's undivided attention is focused on you. Hey, even boot fitters get distracted sometimes too!
Some things to watch out for at a boot fitter are variant. If the fitter asks your shoe, you may want to leave. Your shoe size has nothing to do with boots.
If the fitter isn’t asking you about your skiing, you may want to leave. He/she needs to know what type of skiing you will be doing to effectively recommend a boot.
If you, for ANY reason feel that the fitter isn’t doing their job the best they can, don’t hesitate to leave. Your not being rude, your just looking for the best boot possible.
However, some people don’t have access to a boot fitter. If you CAN'T, here are some things to try.
Getting Started
1. Look at your foot, and get an idea of the shape.
For example, here is my foot. I have a moderately wide middle, narrow heel, and moderately wide toe area. So, I need a moderately wide boot.
People with wider feet may have better luck with brands such as, but not limited to: Salomon, Rossignol, and Nordica.
People with narrower feet may have better luck with brands such as, but not limited to: Dalbello, Lange, and Atomic.
(note: different models have different fits. This is just a VERY general guideline.)
2. Fit
Socks
When trying on the boots at the shop, be sure to wear ski socks. Athletic sock, ankle socks, and dress socks are very different. If you don’t have a pair of ski socks, you should really consider in investing in a pair. I use BURTON snowboard socks, just so you know.
[img]http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/1637/picture009jr4.jpg /img]
Do your own Shell Fit. Remove the liner from the boot, and put your foot into the empty shell. Push your foot forward until your toes hit the end on the toe box. You should have about 1", to 1 1/2" between the back of your heel and the shell. If this is the case, the shell is generally the right size for you.
The boot should feel snug. Remember, that all boots will pack out, sometimes after a few runs. You can gain up to 1 cm or so in room after this occurs.
Remove the liner carefully. You can rip them if there is sharp plastic, or something of the sort in the boot.
Here is my shell fit. I have exactly 1 inch.
Never go by the manufactures sizing, or your shoe size. Simply use these as guidelines. A 27.5 Salomon Foil and a 27.5 Salomon SPK are different sizes. If I know you’re a size 9.5, I’m going to try on the 27.5, bust to see. Its not like, “There’s a 27.5, I’m buying it!”
DON’T BUY YOUR BOOTS TOO BIG. THIS CAN CAUSE INJURY, AND RUIN YOUR FUN ON THE SLOPES!!
3. Put the boot on, with the liner in, and buckle it up. Get a feel for it by flexing it forward. Keep in mind the boot is going to feel substantially stiffere when your out riding in the cold. If you feel pressure points, you probably don’t want that specific boot.
Some boots have a lot of adjustability. I’ve moved the instep buckle of my foils to the back position. This helps to keep my narrow heel locked into the heel cup, but pulling it downwards and back, much like a snowboard binding, or a Dalbello Krypton boot.
4. Take your time!
Take your time! Take your time! Take your time! I can’t stress this enough! Patience is crucial in buying good fitting boots.
Buying boots isn’t an impulse purchase like a cute handbag or a trashy mini-skirt! A good analogy is dating. Your almost never marry your first girlfriend, and the same with boots. You need to go out with as many girls(boots) as you can, and then marry(purchase) the one that you love(fits) you best. There are plenty of great boots out there, so try on many, and you will find the perfect one!
Another way to improve your experience is to go shopping for boots alone. If your going with a friend/parent, your opinions can actually be swayed by their own. Also, try to leave the look of the boot out of your final decision. Its great to have a good looking boot, but if you are buying more for the looks, you will sacrifice comfort and performance.
Look for boots over the summer. This way, you wont feel any rush to buy them, and, in doing so, may come across another boot, or a better deal later on.
5. Price
Don't let the price of the boot intimidate you. Often, the more you spend, the better quality you are getting. Think of boots as an investment in your skiing, and your comfort on the hill. If you see boots that aren’t in your budget, try to get a deal on them, or buy the boots first, and buy your skis/bindings later. Your cant put a price on comfort! I paid 400$ for my Foils after the final fitting, and I couldn’t be happier with my purchase. I was only planning on spending 200$, but, I’m very glad I spent the extra money.
6. Comfort?
Too comfortable can be a problem. Too many folks look for boots that feel cozy, like a well-worn pair of bedroom slippers. The biggest mistake you can make is buying too big. Boots should fit snugly—like a firm handshake. But, when you ski as little as three runs, the boot will pack out. And, remember, you’re dealing with new, stiff pieces of foam, plastic and leather. It takes a while to break those materials in. If they feel a bit tight in the shop, keep them on for fifteen minutes and let them set into your foot.
7. Cuff
Never buy a boot without cuff adjustment. Practically every boot nowadays does, but just keep that in mind. Macro-Adjust buckles, power-straps, canting, and other cuff and tongue adjustability is great, but not something to be played around with, especially canting.
8. Type of skier?
Think about what kind of skiing you plan to do. Typically, a park skier will want a boot more flexy and forgiving. Someone charging in the backcountry will want a stiffer, more responsive boot.
Flex Guide
These are only a guideline, remember, its all personal preference.
All companies flex indexes are different, and your personal preference varies, but here it goes.
Park- 70-85
All Mtn.- 80-95
BC- 90-110
Charging- 105-120
9. Shape of the boot.
When looking at boots, look for one that traces the same shape as you calf. People with a smaller calf will need a different shape than people with a wider calf. Some boots have adjustments that can be made to increase and decrease volume in this area. It is important that this is not too tight-you may loose circulation and have cold feet, yet it is important it is not too loose- the dreaded shin bang!
10. Final "Steps"
Be sure to try on BOTH boots. Your left foot may be different from your right foot, so be sure to try on both. I cant stress enough to TAKE YOUR TIME. Sit in the shop for 45 minutes with the boots on. I’m sure they wont care, unless the owner secretly hates you.
Liner
Be sure to wear your new boots around after you buy them to break them in. Some models have a heat-moldable liner. This allows for a more custom fit. A heat mold can be done at your shop. They heat the liner, then you put your boot on, buckle it tight, and just sit, and walk around for about 45 minutes.
For some boots that are higher quality, you can swap out various liners. I know you can do this with some Dalbello boots, switching out the stock liner for an ID liner. I can always get another Salomon liner from a boot using the same mold, but I’m content with mine.
You can also invest in custom footbeds and orthotics. These are all fine tweaks you can do to improve the fit of your boots.
If you have any other questions, feel free to PM me and I'll try to help out as much as I can!
Over the past few weeks or so, I have noticed many threads on boots. "Which boots should I get?", "ZOMGZZZ new SPK's?", How do the Lange FR 120's feel?" and so forth.
I don’t really know how to say this, but we cant possibly recommend you a boot on the internet- however, you can assess and recommend your own boot. This may be a lot of writing, but, hopefully I cover everything. If anyone else has anything to add, please do so.
For a proper fit, you have to try on many different models and styles of boots. The SPK has a completely different fit than a Lange FR 120, as does a Krypton and a Scratch. You must try boots on to see what fits the shape of your foot. Your foot has many dimensions that have to be taken into account when trying them on, including length, width, height, and overall shape.
Keep in mind, if you’re a park skier, you may want to look into more park specific boots. Yet, you don’t NEED a park boot for park. Simon Dumont was riding some rec. boots for quite some time. THE FIT, FLEX, AND CLOSEUR SYSTEM ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN WHAT THE BOOT IS DESCRIBED TO DO
When getting a boot fit, try to shop when there is no one else around. That will ensure the fitter's undivided attention is focused on you. Hey, even boot fitters get distracted sometimes too!
Some things to watch out for at a boot fitter are variant. If the fitter asks your shoe, you may want to leave. Your shoe size has nothing to do with boots.
If the fitter isn’t asking you about your skiing, you may want to leave. He/she needs to know what type of skiing you will be doing to effectively recommend a boot.
If you, for ANY reason feel that the fitter isn’t doing their job the best they can, don’t hesitate to leave. Your not being rude, your just looking for the best boot possible.
However, some people don’t have access to a boot fitter. If you CAN'T, here are some things to try.
Getting Started
1. Look at your foot, and get an idea of the shape.
For example, here is my foot. I have a moderately wide middle, narrow heel, and moderately wide toe area. So, I need a moderately wide boot.
;)
People with wider feet may have better luck with brands such as, but not limited to: Salomon, Rossignol, and Nordica.
People with narrower feet may have better luck with brands such as, but not limited to: Dalbello, Lange, and Atomic.
(note: different models have different fits. This is just a VERY general guideline.)
2. Fit
Socks
When trying on the boots at the shop, be sure to wear ski socks. Athletic sock, ankle socks, and dress socks are very different. If you don’t have a pair of ski socks, you should really consider in investing in a pair. I use BURTON snowboard socks, just so you know.
[img]http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/1637/picture009jr4.jpg /img]
Do your own Shell Fit. Remove the liner from the boot, and put your foot into the empty shell. Push your foot forward until your toes hit the end on the toe box. You should have about 1", to 1 1/2" between the back of your heel and the shell. If this is the case, the shell is generally the right size for you.
The boot should feel snug. Remember, that all boots will pack out, sometimes after a few runs. You can gain up to 1 cm or so in room after this occurs.
Remove the liner carefully. You can rip them if there is sharp plastic, or something of the sort in the boot.
;)
Here is my shell fit. I have exactly 1 inch.
;)
Never go by the manufactures sizing, or your shoe size. Simply use these as guidelines. A 27.5 Salomon Foil and a 27.5 Salomon SPK are different sizes. If I know you’re a size 9.5, I’m going to try on the 27.5, bust to see. Its not like, “There’s a 27.5, I’m buying it!”
;)
DON’T BUY YOUR BOOTS TOO BIG. THIS CAN CAUSE INJURY, AND RUIN YOUR FUN ON THE SLOPES!!
3. Put the boot on, with the liner in, and buckle it up. Get a feel for it by flexing it forward. Keep in mind the boot is going to feel substantially stiffere when your out riding in the cold. If you feel pressure points, you probably don’t want that specific boot.
;)
Some boots have a lot of adjustability. I’ve moved the instep buckle of my foils to the back position. This helps to keep my narrow heel locked into the heel cup, but pulling it downwards and back, much like a snowboard binding, or a Dalbello Krypton boot.
;)
4. Take your time!
Take your time! Take your time! Take your time! I can’t stress this enough! Patience is crucial in buying good fitting boots.
Buying boots isn’t an impulse purchase like a cute handbag or a trashy mini-skirt! A good analogy is dating. Your almost never marry your first girlfriend, and the same with boots. You need to go out with as many girls(boots) as you can, and then marry(purchase) the one that you love(fits) you best. There are plenty of great boots out there, so try on many, and you will find the perfect one!
Another way to improve your experience is to go shopping for boots alone. If your going with a friend/parent, your opinions can actually be swayed by their own. Also, try to leave the look of the boot out of your final decision. Its great to have a good looking boot, but if you are buying more for the looks, you will sacrifice comfort and performance.
Look for boots over the summer. This way, you wont feel any rush to buy them, and, in doing so, may come across another boot, or a better deal later on.
5. Price
Don't let the price of the boot intimidate you. Often, the more you spend, the better quality you are getting. Think of boots as an investment in your skiing, and your comfort on the hill. If you see boots that aren’t in your budget, try to get a deal on them, or buy the boots first, and buy your skis/bindings later. Your cant put a price on comfort! I paid 400$ for my Foils after the final fitting, and I couldn’t be happier with my purchase. I was only planning on spending 200$, but, I’m very glad I spent the extra money.
6. Comfort?
Too comfortable can be a problem. Too many folks look for boots that feel cozy, like a well-worn pair of bedroom slippers. The biggest mistake you can make is buying too big. Boots should fit snugly—like a firm handshake. But, when you ski as little as three runs, the boot will pack out. And, remember, you’re dealing with new, stiff pieces of foam, plastic and leather. It takes a while to break those materials in. If they feel a bit tight in the shop, keep them on for fifteen minutes and let them set into your foot.
7. Cuff
Never buy a boot without cuff adjustment. Practically every boot nowadays does, but just keep that in mind. Macro-Adjust buckles, power-straps, canting, and other cuff and tongue adjustability is great, but not something to be played around with, especially canting.
;)
8. Type of skier?
Think about what kind of skiing you plan to do. Typically, a park skier will want a boot more flexy and forgiving. Someone charging in the backcountry will want a stiffer, more responsive boot.
Flex Guide
These are only a guideline, remember, its all personal preference.
All companies flex indexes are different, and your personal preference varies, but here it goes.
Park- 70-85
All Mtn.- 80-95
BC- 90-110
Charging- 105-120
9. Shape of the boot.
When looking at boots, look for one that traces the same shape as you calf. People with a smaller calf will need a different shape than people with a wider calf. Some boots have adjustments that can be made to increase and decrease volume in this area. It is important that this is not too tight-you may loose circulation and have cold feet, yet it is important it is not too loose- the dreaded shin bang!
10. Final "Steps"
Be sure to try on BOTH boots. Your left foot may be different from your right foot, so be sure to try on both. I cant stress enough to TAKE YOUR TIME. Sit in the shop for 45 minutes with the boots on. I’m sure they wont care, unless the owner secretly hates you.
Liner
Be sure to wear your new boots around after you buy them to break them in. Some models have a heat-moldable liner. This allows for a more custom fit. A heat mold can be done at your shop. They heat the liner, then you put your boot on, buckle it tight, and just sit, and walk around for about 45 minutes.
For some boots that are higher quality, you can swap out various liners. I know you can do this with some Dalbello boots, switching out the stock liner for an ID liner. I can always get another Salomon liner from a boot using the same mold, but I’m content with mine.
;)
You can also invest in custom footbeds and orthotics. These are all fine tweaks you can do to improve the fit of your boots.
If you have any other questions, feel free to PM me and I'll try to help out as much as I can!
"Skiing should be more like other "action" sports in which there are many different styles and ways of going about it all in which are accepted..make sense?" -powfoka
Boots in a shell fit should be no lager than 1" for a rec. skier.
Any experianced / agressive skier looking to get the most performance out of there gear , should be in a 1/2"-3/4" shell fit. I ski in an 1/8"-1/4".
Buckles help sell boots. The shell should fit your foot shape. The first clasp on the brige should be all the pressure needed to try a new boot on.
Socks make a huge difference. Heavy padding in a sock just breaks down over the course of the day. For someone who says they have a narrow heel, that means by the 6th run or so your heel starts to slide around because the thick padding in that sock has broken down expanding the volume in the heel pocket of the boot. More space, more movement, less control.
Some/most boots will need to be modified, stretched, grinded,etc, to fit well. There are only so many boot shapes out there. Sometimes you have to find the best out of the box fit, and get it worked on.
Boots are not complete without footbeds.( if your looking to be comfortable and maximize performance.)
If you are still in that 1080, you should try the heel spacers salomon has for there boots. It will help reduce volume.
Or better yet, get a fitter that can get you in a better boot.
thats one fine lookin foot
to anyone who has dalbello rampages, put the arch things in. it makes them so much more comfortable and stable. i also took out all the stiffeners and little gadgets that were on them to make them softer
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your a doctor, deal with it. mutha fucka
your a doctor, deal with it. mutha fucka
Would it be better to go to a racer store then say porters for boot fitting skills? Even if it is a race store would they have soft boots?
Btw. is it bad if the boot fitter didn't measure my foot besides the shell fit? Besides that they just asked how the boot felt, and im kind of sick hearing that.
Btw. is it bad if the boot fitter didn't measure my foot besides the shell fit? Besides that they just asked how the boot felt, and im kind of sick hearing that.
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Quoting WU.TANG-CLAN from Aug 9 2008 9:40:02:
Would it be better to go to a racer store then say porters for boot fitting skills? Even if it is a race store would they have soft boots?
Btw. is it bad if the boot fitter didn't measure my foot besides the shell fit? Besides that they just asked how the boot felt, and im kind of sick hearing that.
race shops will still have softer flexing boots. race fitters are the best because racers need not only a boot that feels good but also a boot the optimizes energy transfer from the foot into the boot,Would it be better to go to a racer store then say porters for boot fitting skills? Even if it is a race store would they have soft boots?
Btw. is it bad if the boot fitter didn't measure my foot besides the shell fit? Besides that they just asked how the boot felt, and im kind of sick hearing that.
if he checked your shell fit you're good. if he didn't and only measured your MP size there's a problem.
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The thing is that he didn't check how wide my foot was. He shell fit me but when it came to the wideness he just asked me how the boots felt.
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Quoting WU.TANG-CLAN from Aug 14 2008 11:04:11:
The thing is that he didn't check how wide my foot was. He shell fit me but when it came to the wideness he just asked me how the boots felt.
more than likely he knew your foot would fit a specific boot shape. when i'm fitting i rarely check all around a person's foot for the width. the main problems these days is not width as just about every company makes a wide lasted boot. probably the main issue i've seen in the past couple years has been instep height. this is where problems occur since it's usually not noticeable until you've been in the boot for a couple hours and your feet go numb and freeze.The thing is that he didn't check how wide my foot was. He shell fit me but when it came to the wideness he just asked me how the boots felt.
hopefully the shop has a bootfit guarantee. if they do then you should be good. if not, give them shit and go somewhere else from now on.
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One more thing is it true that the rampage's have a wider toe box then the salomon foils? When i tried the boots on it seemed like the rampages fit better. I think this is because i have a moderately size foot but wide toes.
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Quoting WU.TANG-CLAN from Aug 18 2008 9:17:34:
One more thing is it true that the rampage's have a wider toe box then the salomon foils? When i tried the boots on it seemed like the rampages fit better. I think this is because i have a moderately size foot but wide toes.
Not at all!One more thing is it true that the rampage's have a wider toe box then the salomon foils? When i tried the boots on it seemed like the rampages fit better. I think this is because i have a moderately size foot but wide toes.
The rampage is a narrow fitting boot while the foil has a wide forefoot and narrow heel
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Quoting Pipe_Munky$ from Aug 19 2008 12:34:18:
Not at all!
The rampage is a narrow fitting boot while the foil has a wide forefoot and narrow heel
You sure about the foil? I had last years for a bit and the toebox was wayyyy too narrow for me. Maybe the whole boot was too small as well though... I had real size issues with that boot...Not at all!
The rampage is a narrow fitting boot while the foil has a wide forefoot and narrow heel
A question as well, seeing as some people here really know their stuff. I tried on a pair of SPK's just for shits and giggles because I need a new pair of boots next year, and from what I've heard they sounded like they might actually fit my foot. Now, they were super comfy, and I had one on one foot and my skate shoe on the other, and they felt really really good. But that's not always a good thing is it? They felt like they were tight around my foot, but I really don't know. I have a high instep, so I was worried that they might numb my toes after having them on for a while, but after the half hour my foot felt fine. I'm still going to see a fitter, but does this sound like a typical case of SPK stoke without basis? I did describe my foot in another post on this thread if anyone wants to know what my foot is like...
Quoting Kevski$ from Aug 19 2008 3:38:37:
You sure about the foil? I had last years for a bit and the toebox was wayyyy too narrow for me. Maybe the whole boot was too small as well though... I had real size issues with that boot...A question as well, seeing as some people here really know their stuff. I tried on a pair of SPK's just for shits and giggles because I need a new pair of boots next year, and from what I've heard they sounded like they might actually fit my foot. Now, they were super comfy, and I had one on one foot and my skate shoe on the other, and they felt really really good. But that's not always a good thing is it? They felt like they were tight around my foot, but I really don't know. I have a high instep, so I was worried that they might numb my toes after having them on for a while, but after the half hour my foot felt fine. I'm still going to see a fitter, but does this sound like a typical case of SPK stoke without basis? I did describe my foot in another post on this thread if anyone wants to know what my foot is like...
Yup. The Foil is essentially an Impact 7 boot. The Impact line is designed to be comfortable/wider in the forefoot and narrow in the heel to provide good hold. If your foot was too wide for that, you might want to check out the Lange Fluid line (yes I said Lange) since it's a fairly wide fitting boot.You sure about the foil? I had last years for a bit and the toebox was wayyyy too narrow for me. Maybe the whole boot was too small as well though... I had real size issues with that boot...A question as well, seeing as some people here really know their stuff. I tried on a pair of SPK's just for shits and giggles because I need a new pair of boots next year, and from what I've heard they sounded like they might actually fit my foot. Now, they were super comfy, and I had one on one foot and my skate shoe on the other, and they felt really really good. But that's not always a good thing is it? They felt like they were tight around my foot, but I really don't know. I have a high instep, so I was worried that they might numb my toes after having them on for a while, but after the half hour my foot felt fine. I'm still going to see a fitter, but does this sound like a typical case of SPK stoke without basis? I did describe my foot in another post on this thread if anyone wants to know what my foot is like...
My only caution to you with the SPK is if you are going to ski more outside of the park, you may want a more traditional boot. The SPK was designed to feel more like a skate shoe in that you can make subtle adjustments to your foot placement prior to take-off.
Take any advide on here with a grain of salt seeing as though none of us can actually see your foot to suggest anything. Go to your local shop and talk to a bootfitter about your options. Make sure you let them know everything about your skiing style (ie where you ski, how aggressive, etc...)
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Quoting Pipe_Munky$ from Aug 19 2008 4:05:18:
Yup. The Foil is essentially an Impact 7 boot. The Impact line is designed to be comfortable/wider in the forefoot and narrow in the heel to provide good hold. If your foot was too wide for that, you might want to check out the Lange Fluid line (yes I said Lange) since it's a fairly wide fitting boot.
My only caution to you with the SPK is if you are going to ski more outside of the park, you may want a more traditional boot. The SPK was designed to feel more like a skate shoe in that you can make subtle adjustments to your foot placement prior to take-off.
Take any advide on here with a grain of salt seeing as though none of us can actually see your foot to suggest anything. Go to your local shop and talk to a bootfitter about your options. Make sure you let them know everything about your skiing style (ie where you ski, how aggressive, etc...)
Cool, thanks man.
Yup. The Foil is essentially an Impact 7 boot. The Impact line is designed to be comfortable/wider in the forefoot and narrow in the heel to provide good hold. If your foot was too wide for that, you might want to check out the Lange Fluid line (yes I said Lange) since it's a fairly wide fitting boot.
My only caution to you with the SPK is if you are going to ski more outside of the park, you may want a more traditional boot. The SPK was designed to feel more like a skate shoe in that you can make subtle adjustments to your foot placement prior to take-off.
Take any advide on here with a grain of salt seeing as though none of us can actually see your foot to suggest anything. Go to your local shop and talk to a bootfitter about your options. Make sure you let them know everything about your skiing style (ie where you ski, how aggressive, etc...)
Quoting Justo8484 from Jul 29 2007 2:23:37:
two things to add to this:
1. custom footbeds. if you're looking into any sort of decent performance boot and your feet are done growing, look into custom footbeds. let me put it this way. say the foil boot fits you pretty well. in that case, so does the x wave 8. in most cases, you'd be better off spending less on the x wave 8 and using the money you saved on a custom footbed than getting the foil boot with no custom footbed. a good footbed will fully support your foot and keep everything in place, which means your foot is more comfortable in the boot, the boot performs better because there are less voids in the boot, and ultimately, you ski better because of this.
YES! thank you for bringing that up.....custom footbeds are amazing especially if you have wonky shaped foot. I have never been happier with my boots since i got custom footbeds a couple years ago. they are definitley worthwhile two things to add to this:
1. custom footbeds. if you're looking into any sort of decent performance boot and your feet are done growing, look into custom footbeds. let me put it this way. say the foil boot fits you pretty well. in that case, so does the x wave 8. in most cases, you'd be better off spending less on the x wave 8 and using the money you saved on a custom footbed than getting the foil boot with no custom footbed. a good footbed will fully support your foot and keep everything in place, which means your foot is more comfortable in the boot, the boot performs better because there are less voids in the boot, and ultimately, you ski better because of this.
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can anyone tell me what a good park boot is that isnt to pricey?
Quoting Matt420 from Sep 25 2008 5:48:57:
can anyone tell me what a good park boot is that isnt to pricey?
please explain the difference between a park boot and a regular bootcan anyone tell me what a good park boot is that isnt to pricey?
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So i just want to offer my two cents on going to a qualified boot-fitter. Do it! I noticed a couple of things wrong with my skiing this past season (left turns much stronger than right, uphill edge doing waaay more work than it should, not being able to quickly turn). I knew the problem was more than likely the boots so I went to hunter this past weekend and stopped at The Pro Si N' Ride on 32 right before hunter mountain. Keith Holquist is a Pedorthist and boot fitter and knows his shit inside and out. Instead of dropping $500 on a new pair of boots he made orthotics for me (around $200-250 i reckon...got a discount so i'm not sure what they list for).
I only stood in the boots with the orthotics for a few mins and The difference is night and day. My entire foot is now in contact with my boot so I would imagine I will be skiing much better once the season starts (i'll post again once i really try them).
If you feel super fatigued after skiing all day (especially your feet) I highly recommend getting a professional to look at your feet/boot.
If you're in the ny/nj/vt/ct area check him out: www.theproskiandride.com.
I only stood in the boots with the orthotics for a few mins and The difference is night and day. My entire foot is now in contact with my boot so I would imagine I will be skiing much better once the season starts (i'll post again once i really try them).
If you feel super fatigued after skiing all day (especially your feet) I highly recommend getting a professional to look at your feet/boot.
If you're in the ny/nj/vt/ct area check him out: www.theproskiandride.com.
I'd like to add a little more info here if I may, even though I just skimmed through the other pages.
Shell Fit:
When you're getting a pair of boots, I don't care how experienced the boot fitter is, if he doesn't shell fit you run like hell!
While length in the boot is extremely important, so is width. Checking this is just as easy as checking length. Slide your heel so it is barely touching the back of the shell and slide your foot to the outside of the shell so the widest point (1st metatarsal) is touching the shell. Once you're there, you should have about a finger's width along the inside.
Repeat this step with the inside of your foot touching. Same rules apply.
Not only will this make sure that you have enough width in the shell, but it will also ensure that the shell is the right shape for your foot.
Punching and stretching the shell should be a last resort in every boot fit.
Another important thing that most people fitting boots rarely do is look at the ankle position in the boot. When your foot is centered inside the shell, you should have a little less than a finger on either side of your medial ankle or ankle bone. Believe it or not, for 99% of the people out there, you need a little ankle articulation in order to ski efficiently. A lot of our balance comes from minor tweaking in our ankles.
Try this. Stand on one foot and force yourself to lean a little bit, then correct yourself and stand upright. Where was all of that correction of balance coming from?
Otherwise, there isn't any control over how you want to engage a turn. It's either full gas or none at all. With a little ankle articulation, you can fine tune your skiing. A tough concept to grasp, but once you have a pair of boots that fits, you'll see what i mean.
Shell Fit:
When you're getting a pair of boots, I don't care how experienced the boot fitter is, if he doesn't shell fit you run like hell!
While length in the boot is extremely important, so is width. Checking this is just as easy as checking length. Slide your heel so it is barely touching the back of the shell and slide your foot to the outside of the shell so the widest point (1st metatarsal) is touching the shell. Once you're there, you should have about a finger's width along the inside.
Repeat this step with the inside of your foot touching. Same rules apply.
Not only will this make sure that you have enough width in the shell, but it will also ensure that the shell is the right shape for your foot.
Punching and stretching the shell should be a last resort in every boot fit.
Another important thing that most people fitting boots rarely do is look at the ankle position in the boot. When your foot is centered inside the shell, you should have a little less than a finger on either side of your medial ankle or ankle bone. Believe it or not, for 99% of the people out there, you need a little ankle articulation in order to ski efficiently. A lot of our balance comes from minor tweaking in our ankles.
Try this. Stand on one foot and force yourself to lean a little bit, then correct yourself and stand upright. Where was all of that correction of balance coming from?
Otherwise, there isn't any control over how you want to engage a turn. It's either full gas or none at all. With a little ankle articulation, you can fine tune your skiing. A tough concept to grasp, but once you have a pair of boots that fits, you'll see what i mean.
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K, I'm wondering something about boot terms.
Last. What does the number mean? Is it the width of the toebox? I'm trying to get a basic idea of all the potential boots by stats, but are there any stats that can actually help judge how well a boot will fit? I know you guys have given me some recommendations based on what I've said about my feet, but I'm wondering if there's any actual number to help me pick them out.
I've only seen numbers of the last of 98 to 104mm. Doesn't sound like much, being only half a cm. Does that little of a number make that much difference?
Last. What does the number mean? Is it the width of the toebox? I'm trying to get a basic idea of all the potential boots by stats, but are there any stats that can actually help judge how well a boot will fit? I know you guys have given me some recommendations based on what I've said about my feet, but I'm wondering if there's any actual number to help me pick them out.
I've only seen numbers of the last of 98 to 104mm. Doesn't sound like much, being only half a cm. Does that little of a number make that much difference?
Quoting Kevski$ from Oct 15 2008 1:21:43:
K, I'm wondering something about boot terms. Last. What does the number mean? Is it the width of the toebox? I'm trying to get a basic idea of all the potential boots by stats, but are there any stats that can actually help judge how well a boot will fit? I know you guys have given me some recommendations based on what I've said about my feet, but I'm wondering if there's any actual number to help me pick them out.I've only seen numbers of the last of 98 to 104mm. Doesn't sound like much, being only half a cm. Does that little of a number make that much difference?
the last means roughly how much room is in the boot. when someone says something like "the last is 98mm" that baically means the the boot is 98mm wide in the forefoot. be careful about this though. companies base that off their "sample size" some companies use at 26.5 as a sample while others use a 27.5 in mens boots.K, I'm wondering something about boot terms. Last. What does the number mean? Is it the width of the toebox? I'm trying to get a basic idea of all the potential boots by stats, but are there any stats that can actually help judge how well a boot will fit? I know you guys have given me some recommendations based on what I've said about my feet, but I'm wondering if there's any actual number to help me pick them out.I've only seen numbers of the last of 98 to 104mm. Doesn't sound like much, being only half a cm. Does that little of a number make that much difference?
we can go off and say everything we know about boots but in the end, the person to give you the best recomendation is the bootfitter at your local shop
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Quoting Kevski$ from Oct 15 2008 1:21:43:
I've only seen numbers of the last of 98 to 104mm. Doesn't sound like much, being only half a cm. Does that little of a number make that much difference?
It does make a difference but like Pipemunky said, they are usually reffering to a sample size 26.5. A proper shell fit will answer your question, or have your bootfitter measure your forefoot. Once you have it measured though, you can narrow the possibilites down to 4-5 boots out of 30 without sticking your foot in every single one.. That in and of itself is huge.I've only seen numbers of the last of 98 to 104mm. Doesn't sound like much, being only half a cm. Does that little of a number make that much difference?
Keep in mind that stretching, punching and grinding are always options. So if you're between boots, say one has a perfect toebox and the other has a perfect ankle pocket, I would push you towards the one with the better ankle. Toeboxes and forefoot problems are by far the easiest to fix on a ski boot. It really helps to buy from a shop that has a lot of the equipment needed to perform this work, as well as a competent bootfitter.
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Thanks. I guess that number won't help much then, so I'll do what I was going to do: just trust the bootfitter at my shop. Too bad they already kinda messed up in that department last season...
im rocken some old head boots did thier thing well but in the park there not performing as well as id like them to. are there any go park boots which would be good for the odd time i get to ryde pow out in bc
im fine with any brand but some feed back would be sick
this was excellent it helped a lot!!!
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