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"The boot should feel snug. Remember, that all boots will pack out, sometimes after a few runs. You can gain up to 1 cm or so in room after this occurs." That is in reference to when you go out and buy a new boot- it should feel vcery firm and snug, because after a few runs in your new boot, the liner will pack out. Once its packed out, its packed out. It should still fit, because you bought it snug.
my boots (Atomic RT-130 w/CS liner) packed out maybe 2mm since the liner is very minimal.
Ema, if you're having to crank that boot down to the max, go get a new pair of boots. this may mean foregoing new skis next season but believe me it is more than worth it.
sounds to me like you should be in a technica or salomon.
if new boots aren't in the budget, go to a bootfitter and have the 5th and 1st metotarcils punched. this will give you some extra room and not kill your feet. next time, don't buy a boot because it's a "freestyle boot" buy it because it fits properly
And I actually didn't buy them for being a park boot, they were just the closest fit that was in the shop (they obviously had low stock). Dumb impulse buy on my part. Shoulda read this thread first...
A) Try custom footbeds first
B) Get a bootfitter to put some padding on the outside of your liner to fill out the space around the ankle
Did you mean 'Can you STRETCH out a boot over time?'
The shell won't stretch itself, generally made out of pretty heavy density polyether - Once again a shop that does good bootfitting can stretch them though - the fact that you aren't complaining about them being too tight says to me that you don't need them stretched..it sounds like if anything there is too much space?
whenever you go shopping for a new boot keep an open mind to just about anything the bootfitter suggests. if you tell him you want an SPK and he says "bad idea" then let it go. work with what will fit you best and you'll be fine. remember, no one makes a shitty boot.
from my experiance, conformable foam liners are the most expensive. to have them done you're looking at roughtly $400
intuitions are good if you've got raichle, dalbello or full tilt boots. otherwise they don't have any support on the tongue. i helped make a set for the head fitter at the shop i used to work at and took them out after 2 days because the tongue gave no support
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Subject: Guide On: How to Buy Ski Boots
From the responses of my last two boot threads, its apparent you wanted it as a sticky. Now, just because I such a nice guy, I have made a final copy with pictures describing the process as best as I can. My apologies for making so many of these threads, but I feel its necessary for everyone to know how to properly buy boots in the absence of a professional fitter.
Over the past few weeks or so, I have noticed many threads on boots. "Which boots should I get?", "ZOMGZZZ new SPK's?", How do the Lange FR 120's feel?" and so forth.
I don’t really know how to say this, but we cant possibly recommend you a boot on the internet- however, you can assess and recommend your own boot. This may be a lot of writing, but, hopefully I cover everything. If anyone else has anything to add, please do so.
For a proper fit, you have to try on many different models and styles of boots. The SPK has a completely different fit than a Lange FR 120, as does a Krypton and a Scratch. You must try boots on to see what fits the shape of your foot. Your foot has many dimensions that have to be taken into account when trying them on, including length, width, height, and overall shape.
Keep in mind, if you’re a park skier, you may want to look into more park specific boots. Yet, you don’t NEED a park boot for park. Simon Dumont was riding some rec. boots for quite some time. THE FIT, FLEX, AND CLOSEUR SYSTEM ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN WHAT THE BOOT IS DESCRIBED TO DO
When getting a boot fit, try to shop when there is no one else around. That will ensure the fitter's undivided attention is focused on you. Hey, even boot fitters get distracted sometimes too!
Some things to watch out for at a boot fitter are variant. If the fitter asks your shoe, you may want to leave. Your shoe size has nothing to do with boots.
If the fitter isn’t asking you about your skiing, you may want to leave. He/she needs to know what type of skiing you will be doing to effectively recommend a boot.
If you, for ANY reason feel that the fitter isn’t doing their job the best they can, don’t hesitate to leave. Your not being rude, your just looking for the best boot possible.
However, some people don’t have access to a boot fitter. If you CAN'T, here are some things to try.
Getting Started
1. Look at your foot, and get an idea of the shape.
For example, here is my foot. I have a moderately wide middle, narrow heel, and moderately wide toe area. So, I need a moderately wide boot.
People with wider feet may have better luck with brands such as, but not limited to: Salomon, Rossignol, and Nordica.
People with narrower feet may have better luck with brands such as, but not limited to: Dalbello, Lange, and Atomic.
(note: different models have different fits. This is just a VERY general guideline.)
2. Fit
Socks
When trying on the boots at the shop, be sure to wear ski socks. Athletic sock, ankle socks, and dress socks are very different. If you don’t have a pair of ski socks, you should really consider in investing in a pair. I use BURTON snowboard socks, just so you know.
[img]http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/1637/picture009jr4.jpg /img]
Do your own Shell Fit. Remove the liner from the boot, and put your foot into the empty shell. Push your foot forward until your toes hit the end on the toe box. You should have about 1", to 1 1/2" between the back of your heel and the shell. If this is the case, the shell is generally the right size for you.
The boot should feel snug. Remember, that all boots will pack out, sometimes after a few runs. You can gain up to 1 cm or so in room after this occurs.
Remove the liner carefully. You can rip them if there is sharp plastic, or something of the sort in the boot.
Here is my shell fit. I have exactly 1 inch.
Never go by the manufactures sizing, or your shoe size. Simply use these as guidelines. A 27.5 Salomon Foil and a 27.5 Salomon SPK are different sizes. If I know you’re a size 9.5, I’m going to try on the 27.5, bust to see. Its not like, “There’s a 27.5, I’m buying it!”
DON’T BUY YOUR BOOTS TOO BIG. THIS CAN CAUSE INJURY, AND RUIN YOUR FUN ON THE SLOPES!!
3. Put the boot on, with the liner in, and buckle it up. Get a feel for it by flexing it forward. Keep in mind the boot is going to feel substantially stiffere when your out riding in the cold. If you feel pressure points, you probably don’t want that specific boot.
Some boots have a lot of adjustability. I’ve moved the instep buckle of my foils to the back position. This helps to keep my narrow heel locked into the heel cup, but pulling it downwards and back, much like a snowboard binding, or a Dalbello Krypton boot.
4. Take your time!
Take your time! Take your time! Take your time! I can’t stress this enough! Patience is crucial in buying good fitting boots.
Buying boots isn’t an impulse purchase like a cute handbag or a trashy mini-skirt! A good analogy is dating. Your almost never marry your first girlfriend, and the same with boots. You need to go out with as many girls(boots) as you can, and then marry(purchase) the one that you love(fits) you best. There are plenty of great boots out there, so try on many, and you will find the perfect one!
Another way to improve your experience is to go shopping for boots alone. If your going with a friend/parent, your opinions can actually be swayed by their own. Also, try to leave the look of the boot out of your final decision. Its great to have a good looking boot, but if you are buying more for the looks, you will sacrifice comfort and performance.
Look for boots over the summer. This way, you wont feel any rush to buy them, and, in doing so, may come across another boot, or a better deal later on.
5. Price
Don't let the price of the boot intimidate you. Often, the more you spend, the better quality you are getting. Think of boots as an investment in your skiing, and your comfort on the hill. If you see boots that aren’t in your budget, try to get a deal on them, or buy the boots first, and buy your skis/bindings later. Your cant put a price on comfort! I paid 400$ for my Foils after the final fitting, and I couldn’t be happier with my purchase. I was only planning on spending 200$, but, I’m very glad I spent the extra money.
6. Comfort?
Too comfortable can be a problem. Too many folks look for boots that feel cozy, like a well-worn pair of bedroom slippers. The biggest mistake you can make is buying too big. Boots should fit snugly—like a firm handshake. But, when you ski as little as three runs, the boot will pack out. And, remember, you’re dealing with new, stiff pieces of foam, plastic and leather. It takes a while to break those materials in. If they feel a bit tight in the shop, keep them on for fifteen minutes and let them set into your foot.
7. Cuff
Never buy a boot without cuff adjustment. Practically every boot nowadays does, but just keep that in mind. Macro-Adjust buckles, power-straps, canting, and other cuff and tongue adjustability is great, but not something to be played around with, especially canting.
8. Type of skier?
Think about what kind of skiing you plan to do. Typically, a park skier will want a boot more flexy and forgiving. Someone charging in the backcountry will want a stiffer, more responsive boot.
Flex Guide
These are only a guideline, remember, its all personal preference.
All companies flex indexes are different, and your personal preference varies, but here it goes.
Park- 70-85
All Mtn.- 80-95
BC- 90-110
Charging- 105-120
9. Shape of the boot.
When looking at boots, look for one that traces the same shape as you calf. People with a smaller calf will need a different shape than people with a wider calf. Some boots have adjustments that can be made to increase and decrease volume in this area. It is important that this is not too tight-you may loose circulation and have cold feet, yet it is important it is not too loose- the dreaded shin bang!
10. Final "Steps"
Be sure to try on BOTH boots. Your left foot may be different from your right foot, so be sure to try on both. I cant stress enough to TAKE YOUR TIME. Sit in the shop for 45 minutes with the boots on. I’m sure they wont care, unless the owner secretly hates you.
Liner
Be sure to wear your new boots around after you buy them to break them in. Some models have a heat-moldable liner. This allows for a more custom fit. A heat mold can be done at your shop. They heat the liner, then you put your boot on, buckle it tight, and just sit, and walk around for about 45 minutes.
For some boots that are higher quality, you can swap out various liners. I know you can do this with some Dalbello boots, switching out the stock liner for an ID liner. I can always get another Salomon liner from a boot using the same mold, but I’m content with mine.
You can also invest in custom footbeds and orthotics. These are all fine tweaks you can do to improve the fit of your boots.
If you have any other questions, feel free to PM me and I'll try to help out as much as I can!
Over the past few weeks or so, I have noticed many threads on boots. "Which boots should I get?", "ZOMGZZZ new SPK's?", How do the Lange FR 120's feel?" and so forth.
I don’t really know how to say this, but we cant possibly recommend you a boot on the internet- however, you can assess and recommend your own boot. This may be a lot of writing, but, hopefully I cover everything. If anyone else has anything to add, please do so.
For a proper fit, you have to try on many different models and styles of boots. The SPK has a completely different fit than a Lange FR 120, as does a Krypton and a Scratch. You must try boots on to see what fits the shape of your foot. Your foot has many dimensions that have to be taken into account when trying them on, including length, width, height, and overall shape.
Keep in mind, if you’re a park skier, you may want to look into more park specific boots. Yet, you don’t NEED a park boot for park. Simon Dumont was riding some rec. boots for quite some time. THE FIT, FLEX, AND CLOSEUR SYSTEM ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN WHAT THE BOOT IS DESCRIBED TO DO
When getting a boot fit, try to shop when there is no one else around. That will ensure the fitter's undivided attention is focused on you. Hey, even boot fitters get distracted sometimes too!
Some things to watch out for at a boot fitter are variant. If the fitter asks your shoe, you may want to leave. Your shoe size has nothing to do with boots.
If the fitter isn’t asking you about your skiing, you may want to leave. He/she needs to know what type of skiing you will be doing to effectively recommend a boot.
If you, for ANY reason feel that the fitter isn’t doing their job the best they can, don’t hesitate to leave. Your not being rude, your just looking for the best boot possible.
However, some people don’t have access to a boot fitter. If you CAN'T, here are some things to try.
Getting Started
1. Look at your foot, and get an idea of the shape.
For example, here is my foot. I have a moderately wide middle, narrow heel, and moderately wide toe area. So, I need a moderately wide boot.
;)
People with wider feet may have better luck with brands such as, but not limited to: Salomon, Rossignol, and Nordica.
People with narrower feet may have better luck with brands such as, but not limited to: Dalbello, Lange, and Atomic.
(note: different models have different fits. This is just a VERY general guideline.)
2. Fit
Socks
When trying on the boots at the shop, be sure to wear ski socks. Athletic sock, ankle socks, and dress socks are very different. If you don’t have a pair of ski socks, you should really consider in investing in a pair. I use BURTON snowboard socks, just so you know.
[img]http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/1637/picture009jr4.jpg /img]
Do your own Shell Fit. Remove the liner from the boot, and put your foot into the empty shell. Push your foot forward until your toes hit the end on the toe box. You should have about 1", to 1 1/2" between the back of your heel and the shell. If this is the case, the shell is generally the right size for you.
The boot should feel snug. Remember, that all boots will pack out, sometimes after a few runs. You can gain up to 1 cm or so in room after this occurs.
Remove the liner carefully. You can rip them if there is sharp plastic, or something of the sort in the boot.
;)
Here is my shell fit. I have exactly 1 inch.
;)
Never go by the manufactures sizing, or your shoe size. Simply use these as guidelines. A 27.5 Salomon Foil and a 27.5 Salomon SPK are different sizes. If I know you’re a size 9.5, I’m going to try on the 27.5, bust to see. Its not like, “There’s a 27.5, I’m buying it!”
;)
DON’T BUY YOUR BOOTS TOO BIG. THIS CAN CAUSE INJURY, AND RUIN YOUR FUN ON THE SLOPES!!
3. Put the boot on, with the liner in, and buckle it up. Get a feel for it by flexing it forward. Keep in mind the boot is going to feel substantially stiffere when your out riding in the cold. If you feel pressure points, you probably don’t want that specific boot.
;)
Some boots have a lot of adjustability. I’ve moved the instep buckle of my foils to the back position. This helps to keep my narrow heel locked into the heel cup, but pulling it downwards and back, much like a snowboard binding, or a Dalbello Krypton boot.
;)
4. Take your time!
Take your time! Take your time! Take your time! I can’t stress this enough! Patience is crucial in buying good fitting boots.
Buying boots isn’t an impulse purchase like a cute handbag or a trashy mini-skirt! A good analogy is dating. Your almost never marry your first girlfriend, and the same with boots. You need to go out with as many girls(boots) as you can, and then marry(purchase) the one that you love(fits) you best. There are plenty of great boots out there, so try on many, and you will find the perfect one!
Another way to improve your experience is to go shopping for boots alone. If your going with a friend/parent, your opinions can actually be swayed by their own. Also, try to leave the look of the boot out of your final decision. Its great to have a good looking boot, but if you are buying more for the looks, you will sacrifice comfort and performance.
Look for boots over the summer. This way, you wont feel any rush to buy them, and, in doing so, may come across another boot, or a better deal later on.
5. Price
Don't let the price of the boot intimidate you. Often, the more you spend, the better quality you are getting. Think of boots as an investment in your skiing, and your comfort on the hill. If you see boots that aren’t in your budget, try to get a deal on them, or buy the boots first, and buy your skis/bindings later. Your cant put a price on comfort! I paid 400$ for my Foils after the final fitting, and I couldn’t be happier with my purchase. I was only planning on spending 200$, but, I’m very glad I spent the extra money.
6. Comfort?
Too comfortable can be a problem. Too many folks look for boots that feel cozy, like a well-worn pair of bedroom slippers. The biggest mistake you can make is buying too big. Boots should fit snugly—like a firm handshake. But, when you ski as little as three runs, the boot will pack out. And, remember, you’re dealing with new, stiff pieces of foam, plastic and leather. It takes a while to break those materials in. If they feel a bit tight in the shop, keep them on for fifteen minutes and let them set into your foot.
7. Cuff
Never buy a boot without cuff adjustment. Practically every boot nowadays does, but just keep that in mind. Macro-Adjust buckles, power-straps, canting, and other cuff and tongue adjustability is great, but not something to be played around with, especially canting.
;)
8. Type of skier?
Think about what kind of skiing you plan to do. Typically, a park skier will want a boot more flexy and forgiving. Someone charging in the backcountry will want a stiffer, more responsive boot.
Flex Guide
These are only a guideline, remember, its all personal preference.
All companies flex indexes are different, and your personal preference varies, but here it goes.
Park- 70-85
All Mtn.- 80-95
BC- 90-110
Charging- 105-120
9. Shape of the boot.
When looking at boots, look for one that traces the same shape as you calf. People with a smaller calf will need a different shape than people with a wider calf. Some boots have adjustments that can be made to increase and decrease volume in this area. It is important that this is not too tight-you may loose circulation and have cold feet, yet it is important it is not too loose- the dreaded shin bang!
10. Final "Steps"
Be sure to try on BOTH boots. Your left foot may be different from your right foot, so be sure to try on both. I cant stress enough to TAKE YOUR TIME. Sit in the shop for 45 minutes with the boots on. I’m sure they wont care, unless the owner secretly hates you.
Liner
Be sure to wear your new boots around after you buy them to break them in. Some models have a heat-moldable liner. This allows for a more custom fit. A heat mold can be done at your shop. They heat the liner, then you put your boot on, buckle it tight, and just sit, and walk around for about 45 minutes.
For some boots that are higher quality, you can swap out various liners. I know you can do this with some Dalbello boots, switching out the stock liner for an ID liner. I can always get another Salomon liner from a boot using the same mold, but I’m content with mine.
;)
You can also invest in custom footbeds and orthotics. These are all fine tweaks you can do to improve the fit of your boots.
If you have any other questions, feel free to PM me and I'll try to help out as much as I can!
"Skiing should be more like other "action" sports in which there are many different styles and ways of going about it all in which are accepted..make sense?" -powfoka
Just buckled so the shell keeps it's shape - don't crank them, but first-second notch is fine
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-Simon.
thats what I figured. Thanks
-so imagine if someone called you an idiot or something of that sort, what would you do?
-well I would probably tell said person to f*ck off
-what if that person was yourself?
-well then I would obviously tell myself to f*ck off.. if that answers your question..
huh.. I have to crank them all the way even when I'm skiing and then they always seem to loosen up midday.
about the loosening though, do you think that would just be me getting used to them after a couple of runs? I know it happens with snowboard boots because from what I've been told the tightness of the laces in different sections averages out after a couple of runs, but logically it seems like with buckles and a plastic shell boot, that shouldn't happen..
sorry for all the questions
about the loosening though, do you think that would just be me getting used to them after a couple of runs? I know it happens with snowboard boots because from what I've been told the tightness of the laces in different sections averages out after a couple of runs, but logically it seems like with buckles and a plastic shell boot, that shouldn't happen..
sorry for all the questions
21
well unless you have custom liners(or maybe even with custom liners, i dont know i dont have custom liners) the boot will always pack out a bit throughout the day and then once theyre back off they unpack to a certain extent. or at least thats what ive noticed in my boots
-so imagine if someone called you an idiot or something of that sort, what would you do?
-well I would probably tell said person to f*ck off
-what if that person was yourself?
-well then I would obviously tell myself to f*ck off.. if that answers your question..
Quoting StormTrooper from Oct 1 2007 11:17:40:
So, i live in Wisconsin so there aren't really any good bootfitters around and last season i bought some Foils and after skiing on them for the season they weren't very comfortable. I'm going to play around with the boot a little bit and just try to get it set up right for this season. One thing i was wondering is if its possible to do the custom footbed at home.. cuz im really not sure if the place i bought them even knows that they have a custom footbed...
where do u live in Wisconsin? If live near Brookfield or Whitefish Bay try Les Moise.So, i live in Wisconsin so there aren't really any good bootfitters around and last season i bought some Foils and after skiing on them for the season they weren't very comfortable. I'm going to play around with the boot a little bit and just try to get it set up right for this season. One thing i was wondering is if its possible to do the custom footbed at home.. cuz im really not sure if the place i bought them even knows that they have a custom footbed...
well hate to say this but if your boots pack out by midday and become loose on your feet, your boots are too big. now i would suggest seeing a good boot fitter to see if anything can be done to reduce the room you have, with possibly custom footbeds, trim and fits are inexpensive and will help a lot.
Quoting TimmyK$ from Feb 11 2008 1:57:54:
well hate to say this but if your boots pack out by midday and become loose on your feet, your boots are too big. now i would suggest seeing a good boot fitter to see if anything can be done to reduce the room you have, with possibly custom footbeds, trim and fits are inexpensive and will help a lot.
If thats in responce to my description- thats not what I meant.
well hate to say this but if your boots pack out by midday and become loose on your feet, your boots are too big. now i would suggest seeing a good boot fitter to see if anything can be done to reduce the room you have, with possibly custom footbeds, trim and fits are inexpensive and will help a lot.
"The boot should feel snug. Remember, that all boots will pack out, sometimes after a few runs. You can gain up to 1 cm or so in room after this occurs." That is in reference to when you go out and buy a new boot- it should feel vcery firm and snug, because after a few runs in your new boot, the liner will pack out. Once its packed out, its packed out. It should still fit, because you bought it snug.
With my most sincere regards,
Lyndon
Golden Wheelchair Nominee- September 21-28
Lyndon
Golden Wheelchair Nominee- September 21-28
Quoting lyndon from Feb 12 2008 8:10:56:
If thats in responce to my description- thats not what I meant.
"The boot should feel snug. Remember, that all boots will pack out, sometimes after a few runs. You can gain up to 1 cm or so in room after this occurs." That is in reference to when you go out and buy a new boot- it should feel vcery firm and snug, because after a few runs in your new boot, the liner will pack out. Once its packed out, its packed out. It should still fit, because you bought it snug.
1cm? not a chance in hell unless you're picking up some serious entry level beginner boots. you'll gain maybe 5mm and that's at the absolute max but in this business, a milimeter is a mile and can make all the difference between a good fit and a painful fit.If thats in responce to my description- thats not what I meant.
"The boot should feel snug. Remember, that all boots will pack out, sometimes after a few runs. You can gain up to 1 cm or so in room after this occurs." That is in reference to when you go out and buy a new boot- it should feel vcery firm and snug, because after a few runs in your new boot, the liner will pack out. Once its packed out, its packed out. It should still fit, because you bought it snug.
my boots (Atomic RT-130 w/CS liner) packed out maybe 2mm since the liner is very minimal.
Ema, if you're having to crank that boot down to the max, go get a new pair of boots. this may mean foregoing new skis next season but believe me it is more than worth it.
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Ok I've had some new boots for maybe 3 wks now. Naturally at first they were odd, then for about 2 weeks they were perfect, now in the last few skiing days they've been a bit strange. I would describe it as feeling like there's space above the front of my ankle. Where the 4 buckles are is all normal, but it feels like my heel lifts up which it really shouldn't do. Any suggestions as to what I could do in the arch area above the foot to make it a little more secure in the boot?
Many thanks,
Tim
Many thanks,
Tim
Quoting Shmee150 from Feb 17 2008 11:41:51:
Ok I've had some new boots for maybe 3 wks now. Naturally at first they were odd, then for about 2 weeks they were perfect, now in the last few skiing days they've been a bit strange. I would describe it as feeling like there's space above the front of my ankle. Where the 4 buckles are is all normal, but it feels like my heel lifts up which it really shouldn't do. Any suggestions as to what I could do in the arch area above the foot to make it a little more secure in the boot?
Many thanks,
Tim
Ok I've had some new boots for maybe 3 wks now. Naturally at first they were odd, then for about 2 weeks they were perfect, now in the last few skiing days they've been a bit strange. I would describe it as feeling like there's space above the front of my ankle. Where the 4 buckles are is all normal, but it feels like my heel lifts up which it really shouldn't do. Any suggestions as to what I could do in the arch area above the foot to make it a little more secure in the boot?
Many thanks,
Tim
basically they sold you the wrong boot.
go back and have them put "J" pads in the ankle and an achillies wrap on the heel of the liner. that should take care of the problem.
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i like this guide. but my boots are massive an are almost imposible to get
Are there any other things to watch out when talking with a boot fitter. Like if they just ask you how the boot feels instead of measuring your foot is that a red flag to leave the shop?
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can a bootfitter/shop stretch the width of my boot right around where the toe buckle is? for dalbello kryptons btw
^ Yes.
Before stretching boots, I would ALWAYS recommend custom footbeds, see how that goes. Your foot may be moving around in the boot, whereas custom footbeds will keep it stationary.
Before stretching boots, I would ALWAYS recommend custom footbeds, see how that goes. Your foot may be moving around in the boot, whereas custom footbeds will keep it stationary.
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-Simon.
i have the 26 beds in my shell, will a 26.5 bed in the shell make it wider??
Good guide. Something I didn't do when I bought my boots...
So I have a question/situation. My scratch boots were kinda weird right off the bat. They cut off my circulation (too low of an instep). Got that kinda figured out, but now I got a real bad problem.
My big toe i basically perminantly sprained, as is my little toe on my other foot. It's a really tight fit in the toebox horizontally. But, it is a pretty big fit vertically, so my toes seem to be able to bend quite a bit upwards. These boots are obviously horrible for me (by the end of the day I can barely walk in them back to the car). Any quick advice/suggestions for other boots, or what my problem really is?
So I have a question/situation. My scratch boots were kinda weird right off the bat. They cut off my circulation (too low of an instep). Got that kinda figured out, but now I got a real bad problem.
My big toe i basically perminantly sprained, as is my little toe on my other foot. It's a really tight fit in the toebox horizontally. But, it is a pretty big fit vertically, so my toes seem to be able to bend quite a bit upwards. These boots are obviously horrible for me (by the end of the day I can barely walk in them back to the car). Any quick advice/suggestions for other boots, or what my problem really is?
Quoting Kevski$ from Feb 25 2008 11:18:47:
Any quick advice/suggestions for other boots, or what my problem really is?
your main problem is that you're in a rossi boot. narrow forefoot and wide heelAny quick advice/suggestions for other boots, or what my problem really is?
sounds to me like you should be in a technica or salomon.
if new boots aren't in the budget, go to a bootfitter and have the 5th and 1st metotarcils punched. this will give you some extra room and not kill your feet. next time, don't buy a boot because it's a "freestyle boot" buy it because it fits properly
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Quoting Pipe_Munky$ from Feb 27 2008 10:46:03:
your main problem is that you're in a rossi boot. narrow forefoot and wide heel
sounds to me like you should be in a technica or salomon.
if new boots aren't in the budget, go to a bootfitter and have the 5th and 1st metotarcils punched. this will give you some extra room and not kill your feet. next time, don't buy a boot because it's a "freestyle boot" buy it because it fits properly
Yeah, the boot fitter recommended Technicas, but there weren't any in the shop...your main problem is that you're in a rossi boot. narrow forefoot and wide heel
sounds to me like you should be in a technica or salomon.
if new boots aren't in the budget, go to a bootfitter and have the 5th and 1st metotarcils punched. this will give you some extra room and not kill your feet. next time, don't buy a boot because it's a "freestyle boot" buy it because it fits properly
And I actually didn't buy them for being a park boot, they were just the closest fit that was in the shop (they obviously had low stock). Dumb impulse buy on my part. Shoulda read this thread first...
Just off the top of my head, Check the Nordica Beast or Speedmachine 10/12 as well as Tecnica/Sally
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if the kryptons are 98 last then what might the new fulltils be??
95 mang!
this was so long that i got bored and stopped reading it, but yeah it was incredibly helpfull, at least for the part i read
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this was great i just dont like reading but yea its all good
Quoting hoodjibba from Mar 14 2008 5:46:20:
this was great i just dont like reading but yea its all good
I tried to put as many pictures as possible in it. this was great i just dont like reading but yea its all good
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With my boots it feels loose around my ankles and my heel, but when I tighten them down my foot starts to hurt. What's up with it? And also, can you stress out a boot over time?
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Quoting Boyzy from Mar 14 2008 7:15:11:
With my boots it feels loose around my ankles and my heel, but when I tighten them down my foot starts to hurt. What's up with it? And also, can you stress out a boot over time?
TIghtening a boot wont improve heel/ankle hold - it will just put excess pressure over your instep.With my boots it feels loose around my ankles and my heel, but when I tighten them down my foot starts to hurt. What's up with it? And also, can you stress out a boot over time?
A) Try custom footbeds first
B) Get a bootfitter to put some padding on the outside of your liner to fill out the space around the ankle
Did you mean 'Can you STRETCH out a boot over time?'
The shell won't stretch itself, generally made out of pretty heavy density polyether - Once again a shop that does good bootfitting can stretch them though - the fact that you aren't complaining about them being too tight says to me that you don't need them stretched..it sounds like if anything there is too much space?
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Thanks dude
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is the krypton pro a good powder/all mt/switch boot? what have you herd about it?
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great guide, thx!
Quoting Boyzy from Mar 17 2008 11:16:13:
is the krypton pro a good powder/all mt/switch boot? what have you herd about it?
thats way too vague of a question. how much do you weigh, what skis, where do you ski, and any general answer we can give from that is useless because we don't have your foot. is the krypton pro a good powder/all mt/switch boot? what have you herd about it?
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Just a note to people. Don't get to stoked on a certain boot. I got a wide foot, i wear 4Es, and i went to a shop looking forward to the new SPKs. They were ok, but kinda cramped. After hanging there and trying stuff, i finally walked out of there 2.5 hours later with Rossignol Bandits B12. So far, the only complaint is shin padding, but everything else (especially the bar at the bottom, works amazingly for rails) is perfect.
Quoting jibgilmon from Mar 21 2008 10:01:52:
Just a note to people. Don't get to stoked on a certain boot. I got a wide foot, i wear 4Es, and i went to a shop looking forward to the new SPKs. They were ok, but kinda cramped. After hanging there and trying stuff, i finally walked out of there 2.5 hours later with Rossignol Bandits B12. So far, the only complaint is shin padding, but everything else (especially the bar at the bottom, works amazingly for rails) is perfect.
bingo!!Just a note to people. Don't get to stoked on a certain boot. I got a wide foot, i wear 4Es, and i went to a shop looking forward to the new SPKs. They were ok, but kinda cramped. After hanging there and trying stuff, i finally walked out of there 2.5 hours later with Rossignol Bandits B12. So far, the only complaint is shin padding, but everything else (especially the bar at the bottom, works amazingly for rails) is perfect.
whenever you go shopping for a new boot keep an open mind to just about anything the bootfitter suggests. if you tell him you want an SPK and he says "bad idea" then let it go. work with what will fit you best and you'll be fine. remember, no one makes a shitty boot.
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does any one know how full tilt boots fit
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anyone know how much new liners cost? my friend's old boots actually fit me correctly fit, but the liners are beat to shit (not to mention they're not packed out to my foot). and i figured this would be way cheaper than new boots (cheapest i found are 230).
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I'm causin more Family Feud's than Richard Dawson
And the survey said -- ya dead"
it really depends on the boot, intuition are going to be up there with the most expensive, but as a guide, the Salomon Custom fit pro liner is US$109, wholesale. So add about a 100% markup and you are over $200 - I'd say better off shelling out for intuitions
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i bought salomon kreations size 27.5
little to big for me im mad
but i can keep them longer
when a land switch though (only off big kickers) it feels like me feet are going to come out of the boot.
Can i fix this in any way?
or just wait till my foot grows
little to big for me im mad
but i can keep them longer
when a land switch though (only off big kickers) it feels like me feet are going to come out of the boot.
Can i fix this in any way?
or just wait till my foot grows
thank you SirFryanator$ for the tight icon
go to a store and ask them to put some pads to stop heel lift on your liner. it will be two kidney shaped pads that will cup your heal and hold it down. This won't solve your problem but it will help. See if you can bring your boots back and get the right size. A decent shop will guarantee stuff.
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hi
I'm planning on purchasing new boots this summer, and after reading this guide, there is no way in hell I'm going to spend less than an hour in the shop. Ordinarily I'd go to my local shop, but we're in Connecticut and I feel like I would just be a hell of a lot better off getting them fit by someone who reaallly knows their shit. I have friends that are racers that have their boots done by a guy up at Stowe, but that's kind of a far drive. Does anyone know of any really good boot fitters in the Southern New England area? I'll have a decent summer job so price isn't really the issue. Thanks.
-Dan
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Il Moro vs. Rampage - which is stiffer? I'm guessing the rapage is, is it enough for all mountain (I'm quite light, 130lbs)...?
Il moro is stiffer but I personally prefer the rampage. The ratchet on the ilmoro can strip its teeth very quickly. I also prefer the standard liner over the intuition. I find the intuition more uncomfortable on the shin, it may have something to do with the fact the boot is taller than most.
Beware though dalbello liners pack out real quick, mine felt consdierably more sloppy after around 20 days use, they pack out quicker than a salomon liner for sure.
I have some conformable inner boot straps on mine, which basically adds a lace-up to the liner giving a much much more precise fit. I really like my dalbellos but sometimes I think there are a few flaws.
1) il moro ratchet (can get replacements from dalbello but expect a 4 week turnaround)
2) liners can rip just above the achillies (but they've changed the liners for next year to avoid this)
3) shells can crack (though thy will warantee it so make sure to hold onto your receipt)
You can make the rampage stiffer if you so desire by adding stiffeners which come with the boot or by ordering another tongue from dalbello.
Beware though dalbello liners pack out real quick, mine felt consdierably more sloppy after around 20 days use, they pack out quicker than a salomon liner for sure.
I have some conformable inner boot straps on mine, which basically adds a lace-up to the liner giving a much much more precise fit. I really like my dalbellos but sometimes I think there are a few flaws.
1) il moro ratchet (can get replacements from dalbello but expect a 4 week turnaround)
2) liners can rip just above the achillies (but they've changed the liners for next year to avoid this)
3) shells can crack (though thy will warantee it so make sure to hold onto your receipt)
You can make the rampage stiffer if you so desire by adding stiffeners which come with the boot or by ordering another tongue from dalbello.
where do you find the flex i just took my cousins racing boots i have no idea what it is
if it doesnt say on the boot, then look up the model online or ask someone on here, but theyre gunna be really stiff since theyre racing boots
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dont worry about what the flex # is. If you want to use that race boot as a comparison, just get the model name and go into the shop and ask them for something similar to it, or softer, or stiffer. Going into a shop and asking for a boot with a flex of 110, or whatever it may be, is useless. A person at a shop should be familiar with most boots and can compare them to other models.
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hi
Thanks for the thread.
I got a pair of '07/'08 Foils back in August of '08
they were my first pair of descent park boots. i rode them hard for the first few weeks of the season and i packed the shit out of the liner. they pretty much went up like half a size because i worked them in so much. I have a previous history of bad feet because i am flat booted and have hammer toes (when your toes permanately curl up because of walking with shoes not tied). The boots seemed alright. But i had to tweak them so much. First my heel was jamming against the back of the pocket, so my boot fitter got some foam insert to go on the heel of the liner. then i was getting blisters and my toes were slamming the front of the boot so he put in another thing under my footbed to take up volume. now im getting shin bang. im not really sure what to do cus i have tweaked these all season trying to get them right and the season is over and they still arent completely perfect. i still get shin bang sometimes and blisters. im not sure what i should do next season (get new liners, get an eliminator for shin bang, or get a whole new boot). does anyone have any advice?
I got a pair of '07/'08 Foils back in August of '08
they were my first pair of descent park boots. i rode them hard for the first few weeks of the season and i packed the shit out of the liner. they pretty much went up like half a size because i worked them in so much. I have a previous history of bad feet because i am flat booted and have hammer toes (when your toes permanately curl up because of walking with shoes not tied). The boots seemed alright. But i had to tweak them so much. First my heel was jamming against the back of the pocket, so my boot fitter got some foam insert to go on the heel of the liner. then i was getting blisters and my toes were slamming the front of the boot so he put in another thing under my footbed to take up volume. now im getting shin bang. im not really sure what to do cus i have tweaked these all season trying to get them right and the season is over and they still arent completely perfect. i still get shin bang sometimes and blisters. im not sure what i should do next season (get new liners, get an eliminator for shin bang, or get a whole new boot). does anyone have any advice?
Buttuh Steeze
it sounds as if your bootfitter does not have the most resources available or your boots dont fit you at all. if you are padding and shimming and adding things here adn there its not good.
Just a suggestion, it sounds like you might be wearing your boots too loose. Shinbang can occur from that, over flexing the boot and driving your heal into the back of the boot can happen from the boot being looser and therefore softer, and blisters and toes jamming can happen too. make sure your boots are nice and snug, like a firm grip on your foot.
another scenario. your boots are not right for you. They might be too soft causing you to over flex. and there is too much room in the boot. this is because the shell is too big, yes the liner bags out adn doesnt help, but the shell itself should be nicely fit to your foot.
another hint. if your toes only started hurting after he padded for your heel, its probably because that pad is pushing your foot forward. I would never put anything in behind the heel.
Just a suggestion, it sounds like you might be wearing your boots too loose. Shinbang can occur from that, over flexing the boot and driving your heal into the back of the boot can happen from the boot being looser and therefore softer, and blisters and toes jamming can happen too. make sure your boots are nice and snug, like a firm grip on your foot.
another scenario. your boots are not right for you. They might be too soft causing you to over flex. and there is too much room in the boot. this is because the shell is too big, yes the liner bags out adn doesnt help, but the shell itself should be nicely fit to your foot.
another hint. if your toes only started hurting after he padded for your heel, its probably because that pad is pushing your foot forward. I would never put anything in behind the heel.
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thanks.
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Quoting Silence$$ from Mar 25 2008 6:34:51:
it really depends on the boot, intuition are going to be up there with the most expensive, but as a guide, the Salomon Custom fit pro liner is US$109, wholesale. So add about a 100% markup and you are over $200 - I'd say better off shelling out for intuitions
intuitions are not the most expensive.it really depends on the boot, intuition are going to be up there with the most expensive, but as a guide, the Salomon Custom fit pro liner is US$109, wholesale. So add about a 100% markup and you are over $200 - I'd say better off shelling out for intuitions
from my experiance, conformable foam liners are the most expensive. to have them done you're looking at roughtly $400
intuitions are good if you've got raichle, dalbello or full tilt boots. otherwise they don't have any support on the tongue. i helped make a set for the head fitter at the shop i used to work at and took them out after 2 days because the tongue gave no support
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thanks! good thread
Quoting Pipe_Munky$ from Jun 18 2008 4:56:18:
intuitions are not the most expensive.
from my experiance, conformable foam liners are the most expensive. to have them done you're looking at roughtly $400
intuitions are good if you've got raichle, dalbello or full tilt boots. otherwise they don't have any support on the tongue. i helped make a set for the head fitter at the shop i used to work at and took them out after 2 days because the tongue gave no support
he didnt say they were the most expensive, he said they were up there with the most expensive.intuitions are not the most expensive.
from my experiance, conformable foam liners are the most expensive. to have them done you're looking at roughtly $400
intuitions are good if you've got raichle, dalbello or full tilt boots. otherwise they don't have any support on the tongue. i helped make a set for the head fitter at the shop i used to work at and took them out after 2 days because the tongue gave no support
french fried when he should have pizza'd. rookie mistake. - R-Chronic
my only advice is go to a shop where they know wat they are doing. and tell them wat you want and let them do the rest
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