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PacificRimJob
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Anyone paying attention to this? I'm going to the races tomorrow. Should be pretty awesome.
Sep 9 2013 6:13AM
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EASTIE21
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Avid sailor here. I must say I could give two shits less. They have made it into such a production and it has seemed to only embarrass the sailing world even more.

With that being said those boats are an amazing sight. Should be somewhat fun to watch.
Sep 9 2013 7:44AM
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I love sailing and although I am not thrilled about all the changes I am happy to watch sailing on tv
Sep 9 2013 7:49AM
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.Hugo.
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I don't get how sailing would be exciting to watch
Sep 9 2013 7:56AM
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yelsel
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it's exciting when you know there's a good chance someone's gonna eat shit
Sep 9 2013 8:05AM
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It's exciting to watch if you are into sailing.
Sep 9 2013 8:05AM
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PacificRimJob
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Yeah, honestly, it's a bit fucking silly.. but hey, it's in San Francisco, so I don't even care.

And.. holy shit. Rigid sail tri-maran that goes nearly 60mph on a day with ONSHORE WINDS? Seriously. There was barely any wind in the bay area yesterday and those boats can still fly.
Sep 9 2013 8:46AM
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.Hugo.
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So you like Nascar too?
Sep 9 2013 8:52AM
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EASTIE21
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Yeah the speeds that those things generate is just amazing. Shouldn't actually be possible.

I don't know how much you follow sailing but I am extremely excited for J70 North Americans. They are end of September in Annapolis. 90 boats registered within the first 3 days filling the race capacity. I am lucky enough to crew with a local owner at the race. Start line will just be silly stupid but I look forward to getting terribly beat by all the pro teams.
Sep 9 2013 10:11AM
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Ghini
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I am a sailor and I do a lot of real matchracing (and team sailing) myself.
To be honest I hate they call this matchracing. The boats are awesome etc but I would have liked the series a lot more if all teams that entered had the same boat. Matchracing is when you have exactly the same the same boat, these boats are different. That way it is more fair and all teams have equal chances.. All the money fling is just stupid.
At first I also thought it was stupid they were gonna use catamarans, not good for matchracing etc, but after watching all 4 races I think it is OK..
Sep 9 2013 10:24AM
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Pklink04
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I watched the LV cup and gave up on the AC's after that. It was terrible match racing. But I have heard the final has been better, closer racing, tacking duels and so on.
Sep 10 2013 8:41AM
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first_rodeo
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any other sailboarders on NS ?/
Sep 10 2013 9:57AM
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Olimar
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Loving the fact that there is a sailing thread on NS right now. Dont see them that often.
Sep 10 2013 11:40AM
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PacificRimJob
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Any of you guys actually sail?

I mob on these. Grew up sailing really close to where these races are currently being held, too.

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Sep 10 2013 12:43PM
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Ghini
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Yup. Since I was very little. Sailed in a lot of boats. Mostly faster dinghys and catamarans (Lasers, 2 crewed dinghys, Hobie 18 etc) but also yachts at sea. I did some racing as well, last years I did mostly matchracing and team sailing. Next few years I want to focus on sailing at sea. A dream trip is to set sail here in the Netherlands (with my own built yacht) and go north to Lofoten (Norway) or Iceland and ski the gnar there..
Sep 10 2013 1:02PM
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arnie_grape
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sailboat racing is nascar for classy loaded white folk. my dad used to be a sailmaker and was on some olympic team at one point but then he had kids and got fat and switched to golf.
Sep 10 2013 1:04PM
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Olimar
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yup. Been sailing In annapolis since kindergarten probably. Optis, Lasers, and 420s, all junior sailing. Im too old for it now though:( Two summers ago was my last summer junior sailing.
Sep 10 2013 3:21PM
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Laurent.
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Yup, started in the optimist and later on competed in laser. I did nothing with it for years but now occasionally me and some Danish friends sail boats from Northern Europe to the Mediterranean in Spring and back in the Autumn.

They also do tours on an old Volvo Ocean 60 and when I can I accompany them.

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Sep 10 2013 3:45PM
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feihlination
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acquired the easiest sailing licence in spring. we only were able to go sailing on a lake nearby two times, but it was fun as fuck. second time was maybe a little bit much windwise for our skills, but a lot of fun. definitely looking into getting another license for bigger boats and eventually off-shore stuff.
Sep 10 2013 3:50PM
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EASTIE21
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GTFO...

We recently came across a Banshee and have slowly been redoing the entire boat. I love the lines of the boat. I recently sold my Force 5 which is kind of similar.
Sep 10 2013 3:53PM
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bunnies.
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I sail 420s lolz XD
Sep 10 2013 4:32PM
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fudgenuggets
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me too, any one do in new england do high school sailing?
Sep 10 2013 5:11PM
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Sklar
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I've sort of been keeping up with it, haven't been able to watch any races though. It seems like they've been pretty close so far

I race FJ's in college
Sep 10 2013 5:36PM
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.MASSHOLE.
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I grew up sailing Optis then 420s. Havent sailed in a few years. Never was a big fan of races though.
Sep 10 2013 6:30PM
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PacificRimJob
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haha that's awesome. I have to do some TLC on mine this winter. Things are starting to get a bit creaky... The force 5 and the laser are similar, but the Banshee is just a little better with the wind behind you. not as precise at tacking back, though.
Sep 10 2013 8:00PM
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fudgenuggets
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Anyone do highschool sailing in New England?
Sep 10 2013 8:06PM
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Rosbif
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Haha, good to see a sailing thread on NS, before I skied, I sailed tonnes. Used to sail Lasers a lot, then switched to Hobies and skiffs, competed nationally (UK) and a bit around Europe. Then taught in the Med (Greece and Turkey) and got into windsurfing and kiting, and kiting is my offseason sport now, haven't sailed a dinghy in years.

I know purists miss the monohulls because they offered tighter racing, but they were a box rule as well, the Americas cup has always been about who had the most money. These boats are so insane to watch, I am loving seeing how it develops.

What do people think about the penalty Oracle got? Seems they broke the rules certainly, but 2 points seems really harsh.
Sep 10 2013 8:48PM
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Sklar
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what did they do?
Sep 10 2013 8:59PM
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Rosbif
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They put weights on the king posts of their AC45 training cat during one of the race series a year ago, one trimmer got kicked off the boat, one got banned for a few races, and the team got docked 2 races, which is pretty huge.
Sep 10 2013 9:13PM
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alev
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Grew up racing Optis, 420s and Lasers, and now occasionally race Stars during the summer in Massachusetts.


Sep 10 2013 9:35PM
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bunnies.
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I sail for Duxbury High School in Mass but i dont compete in the matches too much because our team was quite good i think we won nationals in 2010 or something
Sep 10 2013 10:01PM
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JuliusJ
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Not much of a sailor, but I love Hobie cats. We'd always mob around when it was too windy to do anything else.
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Sep 10 2013 10:13PM
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Ghini
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That they punished those sailors and thereby the team I understand, but -2 points in finals is to much really..

Those races in the 45s had nothing to do with this series right? Or did they?

Just watched race 5.. Really amazed by Oracals tactics at the bottom gate.. They were ahead, why do a risky manouvre? Both teams knew how big the that patch with less current under Alcatraz was, there was no need to tack right away to get in that patch. Why not play safe and just tack on top of NZ when they tacked after the mark?
Oracle trained that foiling tack, but it still is risky, use it when you have to not when you are in the lead..

Online the commentators said the Orcale boat is harder to sail (I believe in stronger winds). Anyone knows why or what they mean by that?
Sep 11 2013 7:02AM
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EASTIE21
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Agree here. The boats and sailing are just crazy now. Amazing sight to be seen for sure. However, I still think it would be tons of fun to see these sailors in a Farr 30 or Melges 32. Just pure sailing and showing nothing but talent. Much like the Chicago Match Race Cup with the Elliott 6M.
Sep 11 2013 11:09AM
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Rosbif
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The AC45 series was (meant to be) one design, and all those top helms and crews compete in other one design match racing series as well. The general public is just not as interested in those as the Americas cup.

I personally always preferred fleet racing in cats or skiffs opposed to team racing or match racing in slower boats, and for me this is a good mix of the two,
Sep 11 2013 3:18PM
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t_rob
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Leg 3 is actually pretty awesome today.
Sep 12 2013 4:26PM
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SPskier543
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They need to bring back the monohulls, all this foiling multihull nonsense is just who doesnt fuck up first, no real tactics involved compared to previous AC years
Sep 12 2013 4:46PM
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Crehm
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Anybody sail F18 cats here? Really fast fun, competitive class. Kind of like mini non foiling Americas Cup boats.

To Op so jealous wish i could go but San Fran is a long way from Michigan.
Sep 12 2013 5:05PM
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Phil-X-
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I seriously have the biggest boner for oracles crafts... that video of them flipping forward a few months ago was unreal.


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I know they dont really count compared to what a lot of you guys sail, but they're both fun as fuck to solo. I'm landlocked as hell and I work weekends at our local lake in the summer (only 50 acres of water) but I get to work around these little guys all day so Its not to bad.

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I would love to learn how to actually sail some real sized stuff, so if anyone ever needs an extra deck hand with very little high water sailing experience, Im your guy.
I can do a bunch of random assorted stuff like grill, entertain, make a fool of myself, bang your girlfriend, talk politics, cook, laugh at your jokes... really whatever you need

One day I hope to own something along the lines of this-

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So much more class and fun then a normal yacht could provide imo
Sep 12 2013 5:25PM
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SPskier543
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If you want to crew on a yacht like that go to Newport Shipyard in RI, they have a bunch of seasonal sailing yachts like the one in that pic that either go south or to europe in the next month or so. That would be some awesome ocean experience
Sep 12 2013 9:03PM
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steezyclezy
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NZ gonna own up
Sep 12 2013 9:36PM
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DIPED_IN_SAUCE
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Grew up on opti's, now racing lasers and 29ers. Happy to see a sailing thread on newschoolers.
Sep 13 2013 1:04AM
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PacificRimJob
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Damnit, man... fucking kiwis are killing it.

I want this even to stick around in San Francisco... it's gotta be one of the best locations in the world for this kinda thing...
Sep 17 2013 1:34PM
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ThatCOprep
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Kiwis are killing it. Oracle blew it. I would love to see it stay here but The Americans didn't show up.
Sep 17 2013 2:08PM
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PacificRimJob
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Fuck AC72's.. they should just bust out USA 17 and pwn these bitches.
Sep 17 2013 2:12PM
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ThatCOprep
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It just isnt sailing with the AC72's, just foiling and who can do the best tact and gybes I mean in The LV cup the Kiwis won a race with no Jib sail. I mean i enjoy the foiling but I want single hull boats back.
Sep 17 2013 2:29PM
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Jon_Taffer
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Word. Sailing is awesome, I have a hobie and a flying junior. Never sailed a racing boat but have always wanted to.
Sep 17 2013 7:13PM
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alev
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Is that the Maltese Falcon? My friends father raced it and won a (transatlantic?) race with it. He started and owns Doyle Sails.

Last summer, the New York Yacht Club annual "race" stopped in Rockport, MA, where I live. Very cool to see 40-50 50+ foot boats in our bay. Beautiful to say the least.
Sep 17 2013 7:18PM
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Chompo.
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I'm a big sailor from Michigan. Raced opti's and 420's mainly but now I coach. I always get on something interesting for the Port Huron to Mackinac race though.
Sep 17 2013 7:38PM
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Scotty_B
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I am an avid sailor and have been since I could walk. Unfortunately I can't sail as much now since I am landlocked at Umaine but that's beside the point.

I think the America's Cup is great right now because of the technological advancements they are creating and the exposure its creating for the sport. The hydrofoil and wing sail are the latest developments in the world of sailing that has seen very little change since its beginning with the exception of multi-hulled craft.

However, I am disappointed to see that each team is responsible for their own rig and it really hurts me to see people race when they know they do not have the faster boat, this is simply unfair.

by the way has anyone here ever sailed a moth?
Sep 17 2013 7:57PM
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PacificRimJob
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I'm over the foiling... it's just sorta not really sailing at that point... It's more like flying on water. It's cool because of the speed, but I would LOVE to see real yachts for once.
Sep 17 2013 10:28PM
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