A new ski game - Ski Gabber

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Aug 12 2012
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Quoting EmperorKuzco$ from Aug 12 2012 9:25:08:
how do you get there?

You mean how do you get there from the bottom of Alta?

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Quoting Pitolairas$ from Aug 12 2012 10:50:11:
You mean how do you get there from the bottom of Alta?

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Aug 13 2012
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Quoting Pitolairas$ from Aug 12 2012 10:50:11:
You mean how do you get there from the bottom of Alta?

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heres an edit i made pretty quickly on a rainy day hope you like ithttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP_O-pdFMtw&feature=youtu.be

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You mean how do you get there from the bottom of Alta?

How do you get to chad's gap from the top of shredsauce?

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Aug 13 2012
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Quoting Creu$ from Aug 11 2012 11:49:53:
***ATTENTION PS3/XBOX CONTROLLER - PC USERS*** So I figured out 99% of the button mapping and compatibility issues. Instead of the link Malcolm provided in the Controller Desc. on the site, use this: http://www.xinputer.com/download/MotioninJoy_071001_signed.zip It's the latest version and all the same steps apply, except with this version it actually recognizes all the controllers and the mapping system is better. Here are the button layout instructions: 1. Once the controller is synced into the DS3 Tool and connection has been established open the *Options link next to "Playstation 3" choice. 2. Here is a working layout:

(Lincoln Rotation is still not working, I'm changing things around trying to figure it out, but it may be something Malcolm needs to correct.) Hopefully this helps some of you get your controllers sorted out.

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Quoting Creu$ from Aug 11 2012 11:49:53:
***ATTENTION PS3/XBOX CONTROLLER - PC USERS*** So I figured out 99% of the button mapping and compatibility issues. Instead of the link Malcolm provided in the Controller Desc. on the site, use this: http://www.xinputer.com/download/MotioninJoy_071001_signed.zip It's the latest version and all the same steps apply, except with this version it actually recognizes all the controllers and the mapping system is better. Here are the button layout instructions: 1. Once the controller is synced into the DS3 Tool and connection has been established open the *Options link next to "Playstation 3" choice. 2. Here is a working layout:

(Lincoln Rotation is still not working, I'm changing things around trying to figure it out, but it may be something Malcolm needs to correct.) Hopefully this helps some of you get your controllers sorted out.

thank you so much

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shredsauce + ski dice = best game ever

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Aug 13 2012
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I may be a few days late to the party, but I thought I'd throw in my input, anyway.

First off, I just want to say this game is fucking sick. Like, holy shit, it's so fun.

That said, it, obviously—as this is a primal version—needs and will be improved. I saw some people say that this is better than myTP. In certain ways, it definitely is. The character model is much smoother; the grabs, rotations, and other tricks are far more realistic looking and feeling; and there's no stupid point system.

However, from a purely technological—nerd—sense, myTP is a better game. Your game has the potential to be so much better than it, though!

–I'm not sure what it's like to play it on a controller, as I don't have one, but add sensitivity to the rotations. I find that I over-rotate a lot. If there is sensitivity on controllers, try to add some sort of that to keyboard players. A fundamental part of a truly good game is to ensure that there are no players that feel left out.

–I've seen this, and I'm sure you have as well, but find a way to make "pop" and "speed" be different buttons.

–It's really really really really really really really really really cool that you can set an edge on rails. I don't think I can emphasize that enough. But, I find my character setting an edge every single time I go on a rail. It seems like you're aiming for realism here—duh—so stick with it. Not every skier sets an edge that hard every time they hit a rail. Maybe implement an "edge-setting" button, or only have it take effect at a certain angle.

–I know that it's literally three days old (less, maybe?), but my biggest problem with it is that there's no repercussions for falling. I'm also aware of that fact that it's supposed to be a game of pure fun, and for that, I really don't think points should be added. There still should be something to make the player not want to fall. At the very least, have the character fall over, haha.

And, for the far future:

–Half- and quarter-pipes.

–Longer levels.

–Multiple levels.

–Aesthetic character customizations, ie: skis, outerwear.

–Afterbang button?

–Possibly level customization, as in Gnarshmallow style.

–Better level design: jump line... rail line... mix of both...

I know this is a lot of stuff, and I am well aware that this game is new and hard to make. These are merely suggestions. Again, though, I'm very impressed. Even in such a basic state, this is one of the most addictive games I've played in a really long time. It's everything the 3D Gnarshmallow/JibLife/EA Ski should've been! Keep up the good work!

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Aug 13 2012
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this piece of shit http://www.amazon.com/Ps3-Wired-Controller-PlayStation-2/dp/B0002VML0Y/ref=sr_1_9?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1344789694&sr=1-9&keywords=gamestop+wired

That really does look like a piece of shit....

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Aug 13 2012
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Quoting CJ. from Aug 13 2012 12:56:12:
shredsauce + ski dice = best game ever

omg i completely forgot about ski dice, that sure died off quick

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Aug 13 2012
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hey malcom you should make that flat to drop to down rail at the end longer because i always end up gapping the down no matter how slow i go/

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Aug 13 2012
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Quoting polka.yardSAIL from Aug 13 2012 1:42:41:
I may be a few days late to the party, but I thought I'd throw in my input, anyway.First off, I just want to say this game is fucking sick. Like, holy shit, it's so fun.That said, it, obviously—as this is a primal version—needs and will be improved. I saw some people say that this is better than myTP. In certain ways, it definitely is. The character model is much smoother; the grabs, rotations, and other tricks are far more realistic looking and feeling; and there's no stupid point system.However, from a purely technological—nerd—sense, myTP is a better game. Your game has the potential to be so much better than it, though!–I'm not sure what it's like to play it on a controller, as I don't have one, but add sensitivity to the rotations. I find that I over-rotate a lot. If there is sensitivity on controllers, try to add some sort of that to keyboard players. A fundamental part of a truly good game is to ensure that there are no players that feel left out.–I've seen this, and I'm sure you have as well, but find a way to make "pop" and "speed" be different buttons.–It's really really really really really really really really really cool that you can set an edge on rails. I don't think I can emphasize that enough. But, I find my character setting an edge every single time I go on a rail. It seems like you're aiming for realism here—duh—so stick with it. Not every skier sets an edge that hard every time they hit a rail. Maybe implement an "edge-setting" button, or only have it take effect at a certain angle.–I know that it's literally three days old (less, maybe?), but my biggest problem with it is that there's no repercussions for falling. I'm also aware of that fact that it's supposed to be a game of pure fun, and for that, I really don't think points should be added. There still should be something to make the player not want to fall. At the very least, have the character fall over, haha.And, for the far future:–Half- and quarter-pipes.–Longer levels.–Multiple levels.–Aesthetic character customizations, ie: skis, outerwear.–Afterbang button?–Possibly level customization, as in Gnarshmallow style.–Better level design: jump line... rail line... mix of both...I know this is a lot of stuff, and I am well aware that this game is new and hard to make. These are merely suggestions. Again, though, I'm very impressed. Even in such a basic state, this is one of the most addictive games I've played in a really long time. It's everything the 3D Gnarshmallow/JibLife/EA Ski should've been! Keep up the good work!

there is sensitivity in spinning both with controllers and keys. To spin slower with keys, you wait a second, and tap the direction or press and hold briefly and release. just like jibbin really. controllers, analog comes into play, a full press spins fast, a semi press spins slower.

I gotta say man...for a free game designed for unity that's a few days old, getting a little nit-picky.

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Aug 13 2012
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Quoting polka.yardSAIL from Aug 13 2012 1:42:41:
I may be a few days late to the party, but I thought I'd throw in my input, anyway.First off, I just want to say this game is fucking sick. Like, holy shit, it's so fun.That said, it, obviously—as this is a primal version—needs and will be improved. I saw some people say that this is better than myTP. In certain ways, it definitely is. The character model is much smoother; the grabs, rotations, and other tricks are far more realistic looking and feeling; and there's no stupid point system.However, from a purely technological—nerd—sense, myTP is a better game. Your game has the potential to be so much better than it, though!–I'm not sure what it's like to play it on a controller, as I don't have one, but add sensitivity to the rotations. I find that I over-rotate a lot. If there is sensitivity on controllers, try to add some sort of that to keyboard players. A fundamental part of a truly good game is to ensure that there are no players that feel left out.–I've seen this, and I'm sure you have as well, but find a way to make "pop" and "speed" be different buttons.–It's really really really really really really really really really cool that you can set an edge on rails. I don't think I can emphasize that enough. But, I find my character setting an edge every single time I go on a rail. It seems like you're aiming for realism here—duh—so stick with it. Not every skier sets an edge that hard every time they hit a rail. Maybe implement an "edge-setting" button, or only have it take effect at a certain angle.–I know that it's literally three days old (less, maybe?), but my biggest problem with it is that there's no repercussions for falling. I'm also aware of that fact that it's supposed to be a game of pure fun, and for that, I really don't think points should be added. There still should be something to make the player not want to fall. At the very least, have the character fall over, haha.And, for the far future:–Half- and quarter-pipes.–Longer levels.–Multiple levels.–Aesthetic character customizations, ie: skis, outerwear.–Afterbang button?–Possibly level customization, as in Gnarshmallow style.–Better level design: jump line... rail line... mix of both...I know this is a lot of stuff, and I am well aware that this game is new and hard to make. These are merely suggestions. Again, though, I'm very impressed. Even in such a basic state, this is one of the most addictive games I've played in a really long time. It's everything the 3D Gnarshmallow/JibLife/EA Ski should've been! Keep up the good work!

you do realise that this is a one man project?

All of the other games until now (exept gnarshmallow) have been group efforts.

the complexity of some of the things your asking for is overwhelming. Rag doll bails for example are physically as complex as this entire game till now. A full team is usually dedicated to doing this full time for sports games.

multiplayer, is unbelievably complex to design also, there are minimum 2 players physics that must be calculated at the same time, and they have to interact with each other.

Its good to have suggestions but keep them realistic, keep in mind that malcolm is doing all of this alone, for free.

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Aug 13 2012
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Quoting polka.yardSAIL from Aug 13 2012 1:42:41:
I may be a few days late to the party, but I thought I'd throw in my input, anyway.First off, I just want to say this game is fucking sick. Like, holy shit, it's so fun.That said, it, obviously—as this is a primal version—needs and will be improved. I saw some people say that this is better than myTP. In certain ways, it definitely is. The character model is much smoother; the grabs, rotations, and other tricks are far more realistic looking and feeling; and there's no stupid point system.However, from a purely technological—nerd—sense, myTP is a better game. Your game has the potential to be so much better than it, though!–I'm not sure what it's like to play it on a controller, as I don't have one, but add sensitivity to the rotations. I find that I over-rotate a lot. If there is sensitivity on controllers, try to add some sort of that to keyboard players. A fundamental part of a truly good game is to ensure that there are no players that feel left out.–I've seen this, and I'm sure you have as well, but find a way to make "pop" and "speed" be different buttons.–It's really really really really really really really really really cool that you can set an edge on rails. I don't think I can emphasize that enough. But, I find my character setting an edge every single time I go on a rail. It seems like you're aiming for realism here—duh—so stick with it. Not every skier sets an edge that hard every time they hit a rail. Maybe implement an "edge-setting" button, or only have it take effect at a certain angle.–I know that it's literally three days old (less, maybe?), but my biggest problem with it is that there's no repercussions for falling. I'm also aware of that fact that it's supposed to be a game of pure fun, and for that, I really don't think points should be added. There still should be something to make the player not want to fall. At the very least, have the character fall over, haha.And, for the far future:–Half- and quarter-pipes.–Longer levels.–Multiple levels.–Aesthetic character customizations, ie: skis, outerwear.–Afterbang button?–Possibly level customization, as in Gnarshmallow style.–Better level design: jump line... rail line... mix of both...I know this is a lot of stuff, and I am well aware that this game is new and hard to make. These are merely suggestions. Again, though, I'm very impressed. Even in such a basic state, this is one of the most addictive games I've played in a really long time. It's everything the 3D Gnarshmallow/JibLife/EA Ski should've been! Keep up the good work!

I'm not calling you out but what technical game designing experience do you have? And if you added all the buttons to do shit you were talking about the entire keyboard would be in use..

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MAC USERS! WHAT IS A GOOD SCREEN SHOOTING PROGRAM THAT YOU WOULD RECOMMEND ME TO USE!? THANKS!

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this has probably already been said but another thing that would be a cool feature is the ability to set markers or hike so you dont have to restart to hit one features

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MAC USERS! WHAT IS A GOOD SCREEN SHOOTING PROGRAM THAT YOU WOULD RECOMMEND ME TO USE!? THANKS!

Quicktime Player

Open Quicktime, Press File -> New Screen Recording.

That should be all, that should pretty much be straight forward! :)

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Quoting .spaghetticat.

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this has probably already been said but another thing that would be a cool feature is the ability to set markers or hike so you dont have to restart to hit one features

You can do this now. Press tab when you are where you wanna restart, then press R and you will go back to that spot. Hold R to go back to the original starting position

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Quoting Inspire from Aug 13 2012 9:37:16:
Quicktime Player Open Quicktime, Press File -> New Screen Recording. That should be all, that should pretty much be straight forward! :)

Quicktime player makes the game play like shit for some reason.

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Aug 13 2012
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i have pc and quicktime player doesnt even have that option, tried the microsoft version and that sucks

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Aug 13 2012
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Quoting EmperorKuzco$ from Aug 13 2012 9:40:21:
Quicktime player makes the game play like shit for some reason.

I'm on a pc but I use fraps, with the free version you can only record in 30 second intervals but it's really easy to use

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Quoting polka.yardSAIL from Aug 13 2012 1:42:41:
I may be a few days late to the party, but I thought I'd throw in my input, anyway.First off, I just want to say this game is fucking sick. Like, holy shit, it's so fun.That said, it, obviously—as this is a primal version—needs and will be improved. I saw some people say that this is better than myTP. In certain ways, it definitely is. The character model is much smoother; the grabs, rotations, and other tricks are far more realistic looking and feeling; and there's no stupid point system.However, from a purely technological—nerd—sense, myTP is a better game. Your game has the potential to be so much better than it, though!–I'm not sure what it's like to play it on a controller, as I don't have one, but add sensitivity to the rotations. I find that I over-rotate a lot. If there is sensitivity on controllers, try to add some sort of that to keyboard players. A fundamental part of a truly good game is to ensure that there are no players that feel left out.–I've seen this, and I'm sure you have as well, but find a way to make "pop" and "speed" be different buttons.–It's really really really really really really really really really cool that you can set an edge on rails. I don't think I can emphasize that enough. But, I find my character setting an edge every single time I go on a rail. It seems like you're aiming for realism here—duh—so stick with it. Not every skier sets an edge that hard every time they hit a rail. Maybe implement an "edge-setting" button, or only have it take effect at a certain angle.–I know that it's literally three days old (less, maybe?), but my biggest problem with it is that there's no repercussions for falling. I'm also aware of that fact that it's supposed to be a game of pure fun, and for that, I really don't think points should be added. There still should be something to make the player not want to fall. At the very least, have the character fall over, haha.And, for the far future:–Half- and quarter-pipes.–Longer levels.–Multiple levels.–Aesthetic character customizations, ie: skis, outerwear.–Afterbang button?–Possibly level customization, as in Gnarshmallow style.–Better level design: jump line... rail line... mix of both...I know this is a lot of stuff, and I am well aware that this game is new and hard to make. These are merely suggestions. Again, though, I'm very impressed. Even in such a basic state, this is one of the most addictive games I've played in a really long time. It's everything the 3D Gnarshmallow/JibLife/EA Ski should've been! Keep up the good work!

There is sensitivity on keyboard. It just takes more skill and patience than on controllers.

And add Chad's Gap where Chubz posted. :P

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Aug 13 2012
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I tried getting my ps3 controller to work with my PS3 after hooking it up to my mac, and it seems like it won't connect. It looks to me like it can't find a signal, anyone know what the issue is/how to fix it?

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Aug 13 2012
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You should make like differnt places to ski that the player can select.

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MAC USERS! WHAT IS A GOOD SCREEN SHOOTING PROGRAM THAT YOU WOULD RECOMMEND ME TO USE!? THANKS!

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Aug 13 2012
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I would love to see a halfpipe/quarterpipe option, because in ski games those are always my favorite hahahaha

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Aug 13 2012
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rail game is absolutely amazing. I simply love it. If you really want to take it to another level, add falling when overshooting haha. Just keep it going!! Sharing with ma frends all day evry day

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Aug 13 2012
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Quoting DallasC$ from Aug 13 2012 1:13:53:
Screenflow,

Sucks ass. Leaves a watermark in the middle of the screen and you can record really short.

Until you go pro and buy that shit.

I recorded with Quicktime, but it's not too good either cause it makes the game itself lag which then makes tricks hard to land and make steezy.

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Quoting bredd$ from Aug 13 2012 2:32:54:
Sucks ass. Leaves a watermark in the middle of the screen and you can record really short. Until you go pro and buy that shit. I recorded with Quicktime, but it's not too good either cause it makes the game itself lag which then makes tricks hard to land and make steezy.

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Aug 13 2012
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This game is fucking amazing, but if I could modify one thing, it's that he could jump a bit higher, like if you accidentally come in too slow for the rails, you could actually make it on.

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Aug 13 2012
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Quoting .Leo$$ from Aug 13 2012 11:32:28:
And add Chad's Gap where Chubz posted. :P

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Aug 13 2012
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new transfer?!?!

https://vimeo.com/user9946030

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Aug 13 2012
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Quoting dgraves from Aug 13 2012 3:29:30:
new transfer?!?!

heard bout that one before, but that was my first time seeing it, pretty sick

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Aug 13 2012
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Wow thats awesome. Nice!

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Aug 13 2012
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Just a suggestion that isn't super obvious- maybe add sound for the skiing?

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Aug 13 2012
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dammm good edit Mat

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Aug 13 2012
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awesome game. Malcolm, if you haven't done so already I suggest you try playing Amped 2 for the original xbox. Spins are so on point in that game and it's easy to control which direction you spin in and set for cork/misty/whatever

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Aug 13 2012
4:26:13PM

Quoting dgraves from Aug 13 2012 3:29:30:
new transfer?!?!

2-3 edits have that in it already. But I haven't seen anyone transfer from the take off of the wallride to the new box OR someone transfer from the little roller on the left side of the wallride to the box, both of which are do-able I just don't have videos :(

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Aug 13 2012
4:55:51PM

Quoting Poikenz$ from Aug 13 2012 4:26:13:
someone transfer from the little roller on the left side of the wallride to the box

finally just got this, landed on the end of the down box and got a 270 off. thisgame is dope

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Aug 13 2012
5:05:58PM

So damn good and I've only tried it using the keyboard. I want an xbox controller receiver for my laptop so much now :(

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Aug 13 2012
5:50:56PM

sorry, i havent been keeping up with this thread, but has there been a way discovered to use a wireless xbox controller with the charging cable?

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Aug 13 2012
6:07:45PM

add a replay botton or maybe only for big bails and make it slow mo

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Aug 13 2012
9:18:42PM

fd and full tilt should sponsor this game

I like to move it, move it...

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Aug 13 2012
9:38:24PM

Thank you this is the second best thing to happen to me all summer (after my new skis arriving). Well actually maybe the first.
I love how smooth the skier looks. This is awesome.

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Aug 13 2012
9:57:28PM

A 5 jump line would be siiick

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Aug 13 2012
10:33:33PM

has anyone got doubles off rails or flipping onto rails yet

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Aug 13 2012
10:35:53PM

Quoting SteveIrwin from Aug 13 2012 10:33:33:
has anyone got doubles off rails or flipping onto rails yet

i can flip onto the dfd and can double off the up box to the left

we call front swap front 2s ellen d's cause they involve a lot of scissoring haha - .squirrely

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Aug 13 2012
10:36:39PM

Quoting K-Dot.$ from Aug 13 2012 9:18:42:
fd and full tilt should sponsor this game

not fd please, anybody else

we call front swap front 2s ellen d's cause they involve a lot of scissoring haha - .squirrely

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