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Quoting Squeenerd from Jul 29 2012 6:16:58PM:
Alright, here it is. I'm sick of filming everything with a go pro, it just isn't cutting it anymore these days. I've been working hard all summer to make moniez, and i finally have enough to purchase a new DSLR. I'm pretty set on the T2i, as I have heard it is a reliable camera and is really worth the price. -I'm new with the whole DSLR thing. I've never owned one, or even really used one. -My budget is under $800 (I'm open to suggestions for other cameras) -Like everyone else on this site, I'll mainly be filming skiing. I also want to improve my still game and take more still shots. -I'm willing to take time to learn how to use it. Obviously I've put in long hours over the summer so I don't have to beg my parents to buy it, so I'm not lazy. Do you think the T2i would be a good camera for me? It's not like I'm fully committed to buying it, so if you have other suggestions I'm willing to listen. And how difficult is it to use/learn for a beginner to DSLR? Thanks, and again sorry for the T2i thread. I'm just really stoked and want to be sure I don't waste my money.

Quoting Creu$ from Jul 29 2012 6:22:09:
If you want to be serious at DSLR filming you're going to need quite a bit more money.

Quoting Squeenerd from Jul 29 2012 7:34:34:
Sorry if I didn't clarify, I meant 800 on the body. And not exactly serious, I'm just sick of using a gopro

Quoting ehv from Jul 29 2012 8:13:59:
A t2i isn't like a gopro, you need more than just the body, lenses, mics, support, it adds up. 800 bucks will get you the body and one lens, you wont be able to do much with that. Check out the panasonic tm900, it will suit you better.

Quoting Squeenerd from Jul 29 2012 8:26:46:
Thanks eheath! And yes I get that it's nothing like a go pro. I also know that there is more I have to filet than just the camera body. Im not looking for a camera like the tm900, I'm looking for a camera where I can learn and get into the more complicated areas of photo/videography without being overwhelmed

Quoting Squeenerd from Jul 29 2012 8:26:46:
Thanks eheath! And yes I get that it's nothing like a go pro. I also know that there is more I have to filet than just the camera body. Im not looking for a camera like the tm900, I'm looking for a camera where I can learn and get into the more complicated areas of photo/videography without being overwhelmed

Quoting ehv from Jul 29 2012 8:53:38:
You don't have enough money to do that. Until you do, buy the tm900.

Quoting Squeenerd from Jul 29 2012 9:02:33:
Ughhh. I mean I'm not spending any more than 800 on the camera body. Not lenses, not mics. Just the body.

Quoting ehv from Jul 29 2012 9:04:50:
well whats the rest of your budget? just trying to help man, t2i body is like 500 bucks, save the rest for everything else.

Quoting Squeenerd from Jul 29 2012 9:09:12:
sorry, i was just frustrated cause i had to reply on mobile.but anyways, i'm willing to put in as much money as needed for a quality set up. I just want to buy a nice camera thats not unreasonably expensive, but still be able to get other lenses and things.

Quoting ehv from Jul 29 2012 9:12:13:
Classic recommendation for you would be this, in order of importance t2i body - 550? i think tamron 17-50 - 350 glide cam 2000 -350-450 manfrotto 701 head with legs - 250 canon 50mm 1.8 - 100 rode videomic - 100 canon 70-200 f4 - 600 tokina 11-16 - 600 After you have all of these items, you'll have a very complete setup that is far from beginner. You can add different lenses, mics, tripod, whatever you want, but i recommend a 17-50 and glidecam before you do anything else, maybe a rokinon 8mm for super wide stuff before you can afford an 11-16.

Quoting ehv from Jul 29 2012 9:12:13:
Classic recommendation for you would be this, in order of importance t2i body - 550? i think tamron 17-50 - 350 glide cam 2000 -350-450 manfrotto 701 head with legs - 250 canon 50mm 1.8 - 100 rode videomic - 100 canon 70-200 f4 - 600 tokina 11-16 - 600 After you have all of these items, you'll have a very complete setup that is far from beginner. You can add different lenses, mics, tripod, whatever you want, but i recommend a 17-50 and glidecam before you do anything else, maybe a rokinon 8mm for super wide stuff before you can afford an 11-16.

Quoting .ZT. from Jul 29 2012 9:43:46:
T2I is a great, yet expensive camera.

Quoting ehv from Jul 29 2012 10:05:59:
The t2i is not an expensive camera haha oh man, how times have changed. Back in the day when HD first came along, you had to spend 5-6k on a camera that produced lower IQ shot than a t2i with a kit lens (hvx lol). Its funny how much shit has changed. But, still, in the camera industry the t2i is the cheap camera. Appreciate that you guys can spend 1000 bucks and have very high quality images, i wish i couldve got a 7d 5 years ago when i started filming.

Quoting Magnus$ from Jul 30 2012 8:28:21:
what overall advantage would the tamron 17-50 have over the kit lens for pretty much exclusively shooting at a narrow arpeture? Also manually focussing, I just don't think it seems that worth it to me, and It seems to me everyone just follows what one person said which has led to everyone hating on the kit lens without even giving it a shot.

Quoting MLeone from Jul 30 2012 8:42:00:
Well first things first, 99% if not all DSLR Lenses have manual focusing. So the kit lens and the Tamron 17-50 both have AF and MF. The Tamron is also a faster lens so you can let more light in without bumping up iso etc. The kit lens also has a variable aperture which means the widest your aperture can open up, depends on how much you're zooming, this can be a major setback. Also the iq of the kit lens is not nearly as good as the Tamron. I have used both the kit lens and the Tamron, and I absolutely love the Tamron but I hate the kit lens. The kit lens may be fine in the beginning maybe even for like 4-5 months but eventually it will most definitely begin to hold you back. (Also I think you don't understand, The lower the aperture number, the wider the aperture opens. Meaning the Tamron can open wider than the kit lens because it has a 2.8 minimum aperture number when compared to the kit lens's 3.5-5.6) Hope this helped...

Quoting Magnus$ from Jul 30 2012 9:01:43:
Yeah what I meant was I'll be manually focussing, so the faster AF wouldn't matter. When you say faster lens do you mean because it can open to a wider arpeture so you can set the shutter faster? or something else? Yeah the variable arpeture was the main advantage of the tamron I feel, Also the Image quality I can see is definitely better( http://www.similaar.com/foto/lenstests/lenstestsa.html ), but not worth the extra money in my opinion, as I'm just shooting amateurly. thanks

Quoting MLeone from Jul 30 2012 9:08:10:
I wouldn't really say that the AF in the Tamron is much faster than the kit lens. But yes fast glass= lenses that can open to a wider aperture. While the variable aperture is a setback, I'd say the biggest setback is the shitty slowness of the aperture on the kit lens 3.5 isn't very good at all and 5.6? that fucking sucks. And coming in second place for a setback is the iq, the Tamron's iq is much much better. For $160 more, it's absolutely worth the money. What are you shooting now? in the future? interested in shooting?

Quoting Magnus$ from Jul 30 2012 9:13:46:
oh, I don't currently have a camera, but I plan on getting one for next season, I'm probably going to be doing mainly followcams and tripod shots, seeing as it's bright on snow would that not be fine? and here in britain it's 250$ more, whereas the kit lens itself is only $80, so that's what's putting me off,

Quoting MLeone from Jul 30 2012 9:34:52:
but for follow cams... a 18mm focal length is pushing it....

Quoting MLeone from Jul 30 2012 9:31:50:
it'd only be $200 more because you can buy a Tamron mint condition used for 280ish if you look hard.

Quoting Magnus$ from Jul 30 2012 9:38:18:
really? I would have thought that would have been more than enough,

Quoting [J_Gasper]$ from Jul 30 2012 9:40:54:
Debatable

Quoting ehv from Jul 30 2012 10:23:46:
17/18 is wide but its not the same as having 10/11

Quoting BikeMlatt42069$ from Jul 30 2012 12:01:20:
You could cop a refurbished/used t2i for 450 then a rokinon fisheye for 300, will suit you fine for filming skiing with your friends til you get more cash flow

Quoting MLeone from Jul 30 2012 12:02:47:
They sell those fisheyes for less than 300 new now, you could prob get it super cheap used

Quoting MLeone from Jul 30 2012 11:41:43:
Exactly, shake will more evident. Do-able but not super easy or anything

Quoting ehv from Jul 30 2012 12:32:34:
i mean, without a glidecam, there is going to he shake. i was referring to the field of view

Quoting BikeMlatt42069$ from Jul 30 2012 12:01:20:
You could cop a refurbished/used t2i for 450 then a rokinon fisheye for 300, will suit you fine for filming skiing with your friends til you get more cash flow

Quoting .ZT. from Jul 30 2012 12:39:30:
IMO those things look pretty shitty though... You could save up more and get a nice lens that will look much better and be higher quality.

Quoting Magnus$ from Jul 30 2012 12:38:46:
Oh, you only meant 18mm would be too wide without a stabiliser?

Quoting .ZT. from Jul 30 2012 12:39:30:
IMO those things look pretty shitty though... You could save up more and get a nice lens that will look much better and be higher quality.

Quoting BikeMlatt42069$ from Jul 30 2012 1:11:12:
To each his own I guess... I've seen a lot of sick fisheye stuff and check out the Sunny trailer, they're using fisheyes now too

Quoting .ZT. from Jul 30 2012 1:31:22:
Is it? I thought they used wide angles mostly...

Quoting BikeMlatt42069$ from Jul 30 2012 1:43:36:
Think again. Pause the first shot and observe the distortion

Quoting ehv from Jul 29 2012 9:12:13:
glide cam 2000 -350-450 manfrotto 701 head with legs - 250

Quoting gavinrudy$ from Jul 30 2012 8:10:03:
why do you put glidecam before tripod?

Quoting gavinrudy$ from Jul 30 2012 8:10:03:
why do you put glidecam before tripod?

Quoting ehv from Jul 30 2012 9:07:25:
i feel like more kids wanna do hand held and followcams more than tripod

Quoting ButterItOut from Jul 30 2012 10:09:23:
Just wondering, whats the big difference between the XR an HD glidecam? they seem the same other than the HD being better built.

Quoting ehv from Jul 29 2012 9:12:13:
t2i body - 550? i think

Quoting erikK$ from Jul 31 2012 12:46:36:
i think the XR is more similar to the pro series. the HD is easier to balance as well as being better built. I'm not sure on the details so I hope someone else can chime in since I'm curious as well

Quoting ButterItOut from Jul 31 2012 12:04:39:
Pro series? an I think your right, but just for those little things its a huge price increase. Its werid....

Quoting ehv from Jul 30 2012 1:17:46:
no? i was saying 18/17 is wide but not super wide like 10/11 i prefer the 10-15 range for follow cams 17+ gets long (doable and looks cool but tough)