GH2 molesting the 5dIII - Media And Arts - Forums

Quoting VT_scratch$ from Jun 13 2012 1:07:12:
ay ay I film skiing with the gh1 !!! but yoh, for a really wide lens what would you suggest? I currently have whatever came with the cam, a 14-42 lumix lens with auto focus and shit, and then a nikon adapter to 4/3 with a standard nikon 50mm on it. yes the 14mm is nice n wide, but id love to try something even wider when I have some money. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/833415-REG/Bower_SLY75B43_7_5mm_f_3_5_FISHEYE_LENS.html is this the best way to go? or would it be worth it trying to get a nikon lens to use with my adapter? i don't know too much about glass quality, but i do know the same factory builds that 7.5mm lens for VARIOUS photo companies. thoughts? suggestions?

Quoting VT_scratch$ from Jun 13 2012 1:07:12:
ay ay I film skiing with the gh1 !!! but yoh, for a really wide lens what would you suggest? I currently have whatever came with the cam, a 14-42 lumix lens with auto focus and shit, and then a nikon adapter to 4/3 with a standard nikon 50mm on it. yes the 14mm is nice n wide, but id love to try something even wider when I have some money. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/833415-REG/Bower_SLY75B43_7_5mm_f_3_5_FISHEYE_LENS.html is this the best way to go? or would it be worth it trying to get a nikon lens to use with my adapter? i don't know too much about glass quality, but i do know the same factory builds that 7.5mm lens for VARIOUS photo companies. thoughts? suggestions?

Quoting VT_scratch$ from Jun 13 2012 1:07:12:
thoughts? suggestions?

Quoting BikeMlatt42069$ from Jun 13 2012 12:09:31:
Someone should post some ski edits shots by a gh2

Quoting ThunderousFilms from Jun 13 2012 2:52:30:
the files type that the GH2 uses are a bitch compared to my 7d files in post before you convert them.

Quoting 1337 from Jun 13 2012 1:22:47:
I've seen a lot on SP that the 7.5 (rokinon brand) is the best fisheye for it by a mile! http://forums.skateperception.com/index.php?/topic/296513-gh1-fisheye-question/

Quoting Plorr$ from Jun 13 2012 3:30:33:
I think the workflow is actually easier than a canon DSLR. No need to use mpegstreamclip or anything like that. I just log and transfer to prores right from the SD card in FCP7.

Quoting WillStart$ from Jun 13 2012 4:04:35:
you can do that in FCP with a canon DSLR too, right? you just need a plug-in i think

Quoting 1337 from Jun 13 2012 1:53:31:
Also, for a gh2, it's rather "budget friendly" for a nice setup: GH2 body - $700 (used) Samyang 7.5 fisheye - $300 (new) Nikon 80-200 2.8 two touch - $900 (used in great condition, can be had cheaper) Tokina 11-16 2.8 nikon mount - $600 (used) Panasonic 25 1.4 - $650 (used) Tamron 17-50 2.8 nikon mount - $330 (used) 700 300 900 600 650 300 ----- 3450 all said and done thats a really good deal...

Quoting Downtofilm from Jun 13 2012 4:35:11:
Tokina 11-16 Nikon mount (does it have an aperture ring?)

Quoting erikK$ from Jun 13 2012 5:22:19:
nope :(

Quoting erikK$ from Jun 13 2012 5:22:19:
nope :(

Quoting Downtofilm from Jun 13 2012 4:35:11:
Thinking of making the Nikon switch. GH3 or Fs-700 Nikon 80-200 2.8 Nikon 24-70 2.8 Tokina 11-16 Nikon mount (does it have an aperture ring?)

Quoting ThunderousFilms from Jun 13 2012 2:52:30:
https://vimeo.com/37002436 https://vimeo.com/32371578 https://vimeo.com/39314067 https://vimeo.com/33894300 My buddy makes some amazing edits with the GH2, that being said the files type that the GH2 uses are a bitch compared to my 7d files in post before you convert them.

Quoting Tgar1024 from Jun 13 2012 4:45:48:
The difference between a d3200, a Gh2, a t2i, 5d or a 7d or any other dslr is honestly not going to make any difference that will be visible to a viewer.

Quoting 1337 from Jun 13 2012 6:51:35:
EOShd or eosusers or whatever that site is called is also a huge fanboy of the lumix systems. Will do whatever, whenever to bash canon products now. It's humorous! also also, @landis, I believe sometimes the slight quality gain from ditching an entire system and switching to another can be more of a hassle then anything else. For those that do work for clients, if they are happy with the quality they see, and couldn't tell the difference between a 5d III or a gh2, then why waste the money and huge time/effort to sell everything you have and get a new setup, for a slight edge that only you'll appreciate? I think this is what that kid was getting at, although I do agree with you about the whole self pleasure aspect.

Quoting Pandysloo from Jun 13 2012 2:39:50:
I'll upload some skiing/lens samples when I get back from the dentist. Tooth decay is no laughing matter.

Quoting Pandysloo from Jun 13 2012 7:22:43:
1. GH2 is all around cheaper to work with, unless you need to switch after investing all your money into closed-system glass (Canon), in which case that's a user error. And even then, your lenses should hold their value, so switching isn't expensive nor is it difficult. 2. Again, you can get away with doing commercial work using an iPhone. Normal people can't tell the difference between Planet Earth footage and GoPro footage. The US as a culture is particularly guilty of this design injustice: make the most money off the cheapest product (the fruits of capitalism, right?). Look at Japan where every little detail of every street sign and door hinge was consciously designed. Could they have gotten away with something trashy or boring? Yes, but they tend to go the extra mile and as a result Japanese civilization is largely more pleasant to look at from a design perspective. The same applies to video; if you're just selling pixels rather than art, then you might as well choose a different job with better pay. 3. EOShd is just as much of a circlejerk as any other site. I think the reason why I hate talking to people about cameras in general is because people already seem to have made up their mind, usually revolving around brand loyalty as if everything in life needs to have some form of "team" dichotomy to it. It's one thing to prefer products of a certain brand, but I won't hesitate to criticize and sell my $3000+ investment if I'm not pleased with it. Thing is, comparing the GH2 to any Canon DSLR really is apples to oranges. You can prefer one over the other, but it is a matter of fact that the GH2 is technologically superior to the Canon DSLRs. That's why I made the switch, and lo and behold, I ended up slapping myself in the head for not switching sooner. However, Canon DSLRs are still cameras first and foremost, so it only makes sense that still photography is where they outshine the GH2.

Quoting Tgar1024 from Jun 13 2012 8:23:48:
Conditions would have to be EXACT to be able to tell the difference between the resolution of one vs the other.

Quoting photodouche69 from Jun 13 2012 8:56:03:
Honestly, the difference between the two cameras would be so small that your BIAS towards one or the other would take over. So many factors such as lenses, editing (codecs/compression), your skill, light, and weather would make more of a difference; it's truly apples and oranges.

Quoting photodouche69 from Jun 13 2012 8:56:03:
Honestly, the difference between the two cameras would be so small that your BIAS towards one or the other would take over. So many factors such as lenses, editing (codecs/compression), your skill, light, and weather would make more of a difference; it's truly apples and oranges. What isn't apples and oranges is a gh2 vs film. FIlm >>> sushi >>>poop >>> t2i >>> gh2 #fucklandis #fuckmefuckyoufuckanythingthatisntfilm

Quoting Downtofilm from Jun 13 2012 9:06:18:
I found a picture of you.

Quoting photodouche69 from Jun 13 2012 5:26:26:
But there's an adapter than can control it. Ask landis.

Quoting Pandysloo from Jun 13 2012 7:22:43:
usually revolving around brand loyalty as if everything in life needs to have some form of "team" dichotomy to it.

Quoting ThunderousFilms from Jun 13 2012 2:52:30:
that being said the files type that the GH2 uses are a bitch compared to my 7d files in post before you convert them.

Quoting Pandysloo from Jun 13 2012 6:34:28:
I don't make videos to please others, and I don't justify mediocrity just because I know I can technically get away with it. You have to take into account how we as artists wish to evolve our craft for personal satisfaction, not just whether or not people will accept us.

Quoting ehv from Jun 14 2012 3:58:22:
h264

Quoting MatRich from Jun 16 2012 11:23:47:
alright heres my thing, for the last 2 years I have been thinking like this thread in general... what amazing piece of gear can I get to make my videos look better. I have been shooting 7D for 2 years now and I have thought about adding to my kit, even changing it for "superior systems" like fs100, GH2, 5D... I spent thousands of dallars building my kit with stabilizers, rigs, sound, lenses, sliders... Recently I changed my approach with film in general and with how I construct my kit. It doesn't even come down to having a kit that makes your image look good or being able to get the appropriate settings and performance out of any camera. Its not about an image that will make people go "wow that is such amazing quality!" Its not about settings or rules, sensor performance or lens quality ( to a certain extent) Its about the narrative and visual quality of your work! Fuck gear fuck specs, the best, most impressive works I have seen could have been shot on an old cellphone and I still would have been amazed. People should stop fussing so much with gear and start learning more about film language, how to construct a scene... any way to make your work step away from wow nice quality and move into the wow amazing work category. That being said, a combination of this with a relative amount of quality is important or else the audience is distracted. there is no point however in fussing so much over it. The fact is, anything above and including a t3 is enough to retain the audiences attention so stop fussing about what better gear to get, what setting to use, and focus on what better technique to use so your work has impact!

Quoting MatRich from Jun 16 2012 11:23:47:
alright heres my thing, for the last 2 years I have been thinking like this thread in general... what amazing piece of gear can I get to make my videos look better. I have been shooting 7D for 2 years now and I have thought about adding to my kit, even changing it for "superior systems" like fs100, GH2, 5D... I spent thousands of dallars building my kit with stabilizers, rigs, sound, lenses, sliders... Recently I changed my approach with film in general and with how I construct my kit. It doesn't even come down to having a kit that makes your image look good or being able to get the appropriate settings and performance out of any camera. Its not about an image that will make people go "wow that is such amazing quality!" Its not about settings or rules, sensor performance or lens quality ( to a certain extent) Its about the narrative and visual quality of your work! Fuck gear fuck specs, the best, most impressive works I have seen could have been shot on an old cellphone and I still would have been amazed. People should stop fussing so much with gear and start learning more about film language, how to construct a scene... any way to make your work step away from wow nice quality and move into the wow amazing work category. That being said, a combination of this with a relative amount of quality is important or else the audience is distracted. there is no point however in fussing so much over it. The fact is, anything above and including a t3 is enough to retain the audiences attention so stop fussing about what better gear to get, what setting to use, and focus on what better technique to use so your work has impact!

Quoting .Max. from Jun 16 2012 12:55:02:
This makes a lot of sense from a directors standpoint, I agree with everything you said. However there are people who love the technical aspects of filmmaking and earn satisfaction from getting the best possible image they can. There are a lot of elements in filmmaking and there is something for everyone, it's the art form that uses all other art forms.

Quoting MatRich from Jun 16 2012 11:23:47:
alright heres my thing, for the last 2 years I have been thinking like this thread in general... what amazing piece of gear can I get to make my videos look better. I have been shooting 7D for 2 years now and I have thought about adding to my kit, even changing it for "superior systems" like fs100, GH2, 5D... I spent thousands of dallars building my kit with stabilizers, rigs, sound, lenses, sliders... Recently I changed my approach with film in general and with how I construct my kit. It doesn't even come down to having a kit that makes your image look good or being able to get the appropriate settings and performance out of any camera. Its not about an image that will make people go "wow that is such amazing quality!" Its not about settings or rules, sensor performance or lens quality ( to a certain extent) Its about the narrative and visual quality of your work! Fuck gear fuck specs, the best, most impressive works I have seen could have been shot on an old cellphone and I still would have been amazed. People should stop fussing so much with gear and start learning more about film language, how to construct a scene... any way to make your work step away from wow nice quality and move into the wow amazing work category. That being said, a combination of this with a relative amount of quality is important or else the audience is distracted. there is no point however in fussing so much over it. The fact is, anything above and including a t3 is enough to retain the audiences attention so stop fussing about what better gear to get, what setting to use, and focus on what better technique to use so your work has impact!

Quoting WillStart$ from Jun 16 2012 1:05:39:
i don't feel like i'm a filmmaker who's super concerned with story. i don't really care about being a director. i'm mainly interested in the visual aspect; in getting, as you said, the best possible image i can. so it's worth it to me to invest in gear that will bring me closer to that goal. shooting a great story on an iPhone would bring me far less artistic satisfaction.

Quoting MatRich from Jun 16 2012 11:23:47:
It doesn't even come down to having a kit that makes your image look good or being able to get the appropriate settings and performance out of any camera. Its not about an image that will make people go "wow that is such amazing quality!" Its not about settings or rules, sensor performance or lens quality ( to a certain extent) Its about the narrative and visual quality of your work! Fuck gear fuck specs, the best, most impressive works I have seen could have been shot on an old cellphone and I still would have been amazed.

Quoting Pandysloo from Jun 18 2012 3:09:31:
t's a matter of using the right tool. For 98% of people on NS, a t2i and three lenses are more than enough. However if you're like me and find yourself cursing certain inescapable limitations of your gear for your style of shooting (my conflict of deep focus vs moiré), then you probably aren't using the right tool. The truth is that the best gear will only allow you to work to your full potential, not further the boundaries of that potential itself. I'm being pedantic, but I feel many people in this thread are overshooting the crucial grey area of this subject.

Quoting .Max. from Jun 18 2012 8:22:13:
For those too lazy to watch, he explains that the hacked GH2 is sharper, however it has that micro 4/3's sensor, meaning poor low light performance and increased lens lenghts. It's also plagued with a lower dynamic range. Because of the lack of aliasing on the 5diii you can apply sharpening in post and get an image almost indistinguishable (in sharpness) from the GH2's. Food for thought.

Quoting erikK$ from Jun 18 2012 8:43:43:
and you can get all of this for 4x the price! wow!

Quoting .Max. from Jun 18 2012 8:55:48:
Hahah I'm not arguing for either one. Just putting more information on the table.

Quoting .Max. from Jun 18 2012 8:22:13:
it has that micro 4/3's sensor, meaning poor low light performance and increased lens lenghts. It's also plagued with a lower dynamic range.