Rick Santorum - Non-Ski Gabber

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Mar 17 2012
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Quoting Mike-O

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Seeing that we do not see things eye to eye about one aspect of life and spirituality, does that really forfeit all other "credibility" about another person in your books? Because if it does, it sounds quite petty and unreasonable to me.

it shows your lack of ability to logically and coherently reason.

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Mar 17 2012
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Quoting californiagrown from Mar 17 2012 11:16:19:
it shows your lack of ability to logically and coherently reason.

Ah, so this is where the troll shows its true face. I feel bad for not noticing it earlier.

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Mar 17 2012
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what?

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Mar 17 2012
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Quoting californiagrown from Mar 17 2012 10:33:53:
thats a sad, immature, uninformed view of it. i expected better from you. you dont have to like it, but to label it a cancer is just ignorant.

Seriously? You expect more than this from Mike O? He has made that cancer quote more than once almost verbatem in other threads.

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Mar 17 2012
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Quoting sherwood4099 from Mar 17 2012 11:31:36:
Seriously? You expect more than this from Mike O? He has made that cancer quote more than once almost verbatem in other threads.

*verbatim

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Mar 18 2012
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Im still confused how this thread has become any sort of a debate. Rick Santorum is a terrible candidate regardless of your views. If you are liberal, well its pretty obviously why you hate him. If you are a conservative, you should do, because this guy isnt conservative in the slightest, hes your typical Republican pretending to be conservative. The dude is just bad. Period.

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Mar 18 2012
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More like Rocks Santorum! Am I right?

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Mar 18 2012
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Quoting SpaghettiWizard$ from Mar 18 2012 12:06:02:
More like Rocks Santorum! Am I right?

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Mar 18 2012
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The fact that people can be ignorant enough to blame the rising gas prices on the president is appalling. Gas prices have increased EVERYWHERE, in fact within this thread someone produced evidence that illustrates that our gas prices are actually much lower than many places in the world. And the idea that we should keep on drillin is equally as ignorant. There is no telling what sort of long term effect the mass drilling of oil will have on our planet, not to mention the continues flow of accidents that are associated with the extraction and transportation of oil.

Although i consider myself a staunch liberal, i can usually, at least to a certain extent, understand where the more respectable conservative candidates are coming from. But when it comes to Santorum i am at a total loss. I am beginning to lose faith in a country that will support someone who has made core elements of his campaign revolve around ridicules goals like doing away with the separation of church and state and even something as restricting as banning the distribution of porn.

Just thought id throw in my two cents.

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Mar 18 2012
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haha you're doing well today...keep it up.

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Mar 18 2012
12:29:17AM

Quoting Mike-O

from Mar 17 2012 10:44:41:
Uninformed? Please. If you, or anyone else happens to be religious, as some of my close friends or family, they listen to me and understand where I'm coming from and definitely don't call me ignorant. If you believe in something, hell, go for it, but organized religion in itself is a plague to society, it always has been and mosr evidently it is today. Some might argue "blah blah, take away religion and you take away values, morals and charities" but actually, no, you just take away that guy in the sky and his so-called water-walking son out of the equation (stricly catholicism) and boom - you're left with everything else except nations swept under the rule of heaven or hell, avoidance of contraception or abortion and the corrupt regime run by the Vatican. After all that is gone, you've got yourself a shitload of charities and causes to donate to - no churches in mind.

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i think rick santorum is a baffoon and i'm an agnostic.

but well organized religions are very frequently active in their communities in beneficial ways, and do contribute a lot to charities. there is absolutely no denying that or its value.

and organized religions are the natural endpoint of people with shared beliefs and interests, which you at least claim to be ok with. do you know how many socio-political organizations there are in this country that came about in similar ways? thousands. people with shared values, ideas and goals get together and create organizations within their communities or across communities, its called freedom of association.

how would one end organized religion without trying to prevent people from actively practicing their religion?

i sometimes get frustrated with the influence organized religion has on government too, i live in slc for christ fucking sake, but there is no realistic or beneficial way to go about ending organized religion. people can, however, override the influence of outdated religious ideas in their legislature. you want to promote an atheist cause? you would be a lot better served working with an atheist group or with any other interest group that you believe in than you would be trying to end organized religion.

a much better question, perhaps the one you were looking for, is how to fairly regulate the influence of an overreaching religion, or any other interest group, from swaying the legislature away from the general will?

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Mar 18 2012
12:33:58AM

Quoting *Dos*Planker* from Mar 18 2012 12:21:06:
The fact that people can be ignorant enough to blame the rising gas prices on the president is appalling. Gas prices have increased EVERYWHERE, in fact within this thread someone produced evidence that illustrates that our gas prices are actually much lower than many places in the world. And the idea that we should keep on drillin is equally as ignorant. There is no telling what sort of long term effect the mass drilling of oil will have on our planet, not to mention the continues flow of accidents that are associated with the extraction and transportation of oil. Although i consider myself a staunch liberal, i can usually, at least to a certain extent, understand where the more respectable conservative candidates are coming from. But when it comes to Santorum i am at a total loss. I am beginning to lose faith in a country that will support someone who has made core elements of his campaign revolve around ridicules goals like doing away with the separation of church and state and even something as restricting as banning the distribution of porn. Just thought id throw in my two cents.

You can't blame him directly for a rise in the price but you can be furious with him for supporting policies that would make it go down. Like approval of more deep sea drilling platforms, the keystone pipeline etc

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Mar 18 2012
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haha clicked on this thread once, and now i'm getting rick santorum ads on the side of ns. time to clear my browsing data

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Mar 18 2012
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Quoting ktd619 from Mar 17 2012 9:01:55:
IF YOU WANT RICK SANTORUM TO BE PRESIDENT THAN GO LIVE IN FUCKING VATICAN CITY.

Lol. Threads for when I need to look at something to get my rage out. Honestly radical right wing conservatives frustrate me so much. I have no problem with conservatism, but when it gets so extreme it's bad. Everything in moderation.

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Mar 18 2012
8:55:00AM

Quoting Mike-O

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ut as my own opinion, all organised religion is cancer. Nothing more, nothing less. At our day and age we should have already gotten rid of anything resembling it, yet here we are, looking at a probable Mormon candidate, a presidential candidate representing one of the most ridiculous religions of all time, aiming for head of the state in one of the most powerful countries on our green Earth.

are you kidding me?

you dont like mit romney just because of what he believes in?

obama was a muslim as a child, do you not like him because of that?

what do you actually know about Mormons? just that some are polygamists? mormons are not what you seem to believe. i just dont get your thinking on this, since you are an atheist we all should be? because is sure what it sounds like.

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Mar 18 2012
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why do you even post here.

i realize you are part of the plague we call nsg, but keep the bullshit to a minimum.

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Mar 18 2012
10:26:15AM

Quoting karlmarx from Mar 18 2012 12:29:17:
DISCLAIMER i think rick santorum is a baffoon and i'm an agnostic. but well organized religions are very frequently active in their communities in beneficial ways, and do contribute a lot to charities. there is absolutely no denying that or its value. and organized religions are the natural endpoint of people with shared beliefs and interests, which you at least claim to be ok with. do you know how many socio-political organizations there are in this country that came about in similar ways? thousands. people with shared values, ideas and goals get together and create organizations within their communities or across communities, its called freedom of association. how would one end organized religion without trying to prevent people from actively practicing their religion? i sometimes get frustrated with the influence organized religion has on government too, i live in slc for christ fucking sake, but there is no realistic or beneficial way to go about ending organized religion. people can, however, override the influence of outdated religious ideas in their legislature. you want to promote an atheist cause? you would be a lot better served working with an atheist group or with any other interest group that you believe in than you would be trying to end organized religion. a much better question, perhaps the one you were looking for, is how to fairly regulate the influence of an overreaching religion, or any other interest group, from swaying the legislature away from the general will?

Like I said before, as you pointed out yourself, many religions organize to create good things for society, communities, our nearest and dearest and contribute to charities. I didn't deny that, I said exactly just that in my post.

In my opinion what we need, or should do, is to wake up more people to look at their lives, our lives, as a whole with open minds. Sure, to some it may seem like it's a good thing to be a part of a religion, believe in gods and have faith in things that are out of our control. But if religion was barred from the world at this exact moment, by a strange mix of fate, mass memory loss and sudden global destruction of any and all deities to be considered as anything else than mere myths, we would still be here, humans, plants, animals - part of the nature.

Where we would go from there, at this point in modern scientific discovery and invention, only time would tell, but without any religious agendas brainwashing people, controlling corporate and government interests, from the high rises of the Western world to the deepest reaches of the Amazon affected only by missionaries, I believe the world would progress with a tremendous speed with no visible objects blocking the path of discovery and exploration and the simplicity of just being here, without a certain reason, and accepting our own fatality.

We are born into this world, for few seconds, for a hundred years, who knows, but I believe that we are merely just that - births of a certain evolved species that rose to conquer most of the known Earth out of sheer luck and opportunity of adaptation. As we gain conscience, and subsequently grow knowledgeable, some of us might need to believe in something greater, still, without any previous existing religion on this day and ask questions, seek answers as to why we are here and what's our purpose. But, without organized religion and arbitrary indoctrination, we might have more of a fighting chance to surpass our limits as humans and learn.

Learn that there might not be a simple answer, beginning nor end to our existence - and we would be satisfied with that, continuing to try and find where exactly our beginnings may lie without looking out for a greater purpose or being behind it all.

I'm not an atheist in an extreme sense, I would call myself a romantic agnostic - I can't deny the probability of there being life outside our little spot in the universe nor can I deny there actually being some kind of force or immense being that created us all, who watches over our every step, from cradle to the grave. But I simply cannot believe in that, as I am a realist and I appreciate life for what it is, a simple existence in a world with billions of other beings around us.

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Mar 18 2012
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Quoting .RYAN66$ from Mar 18 2012 8:55:00:
are you kidding me? you dont like mit romney just because of what he believes in? obama was a muslim as a child, do you not like him because of that? what do you actually know about Mormons? just that some are polygamists? mormons are not what you seem to believe. i just dont get your thinking on this, since you are an atheist we all should be? because is sure what it sounds like.

Seriously, just copy and paste what you say here to Google Translate or another program with a vocalizer, and you might just realize how silly most of the stuff you say really sounds.

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Mar 18 2012
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Quoting karlmarx from Mar 18 2012 12:29:17:
DISCLAIMER i think rick santorum is a baffoon and i'm an agnostic. but well organized religions are very frequently active in their communities in beneficial ways, and do contribute a lot to charities. there is absolutely no denying that or its value. and organized religions are the natural endpoint of people with shared beliefs and interests, which you at least claim to be ok with. do you know how many socio-political organizations there are in this country that came about in similar ways? thousands. people with shared values, ideas and goals get together and create organizations within their communities or across communities, its called freedom of association. how would one end organized religion without trying to prevent people from actively practicing their religion? i sometimes get frustrated with the influence organized religion has on government too, i live in slc for christ fucking sake, but there is no realistic or beneficial way to go about ending organized religion. people can, however, override the influence of outdated religious ideas in their legislature. you want to promote an atheist cause? you would be a lot better served working with an atheist group or with any other interest group that you believe in than you would be trying to end organized religion. a much better question, perhaps the one you were looking for, is how to fairly regulate the influence of an overreaching religion, or any other interest group, from swaying the legislature away from the general will?

I'm a little confused. Will you explain to me how organized religions benefit communities and contribute to charities without there being individual people involved? Because I understand that a lot of individual people like to do good work, but I don't see how the concept of an organized religion has anything to do with it. So if you could help me out with that I'd appreciate it.

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For that other post, the Catholic Church will shut down hospitals over this. The Catholic Church simply will never provide Plan B in its hospitals. The Church has said many times that they would cease operations if they were mandated to provide that, as well as contraception.

And if this is true it will be the demise of the catholic religion and their bullshit theologies. Good riddance.

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Mar 18 2012
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Quoting .RYAN66$ from Mar 18 2012 8:55:00:
obama was a muslim as a child, do you not like him because of that?

I stopped reading here.

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Mar 18 2012
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Quoting Sander. from Mar 18 2012 11:57:20:
I stopped reading here.

Seriously, paste that whole post into Google Trans and listen, it's hilarious!

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Mar 18 2012
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Quoting JamesR from Mar 18 2012 10:44:26:
I'm a little confused. Will you explain to me how organized religions benefit communities and contribute to charities without there being individual people involved? Because I understand that a lot of individual people like to do good work, but I don't see how the concept of an organized religion has anything to do with it. So if you could help me out with that I'd appreciate it.

individual people are involved, not sure where you think i said otherwise, but when organized as a group they become more effective. read robert putnam's "bowling alone: the collapse and revival of american community." very interesting book in a lot of different ways, but one of the things he talks about is how religious organizations are an extremely important foundation to american community. churches are some of the last remaining common places that people gather together regularly and form connections to people across their community.

think about jewish community centers and all the good they do for members of their community, whether jewish or not.

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Mar 18 2012
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Quoting Sander. from Mar 18 2012 11:57:20:
I stopped reading here.

i did too, and cringed HARD. If you believe that, then you should really consider ridding yourself of your reproductive abilities for the greater good of humanity

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Mar 18 2012
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Quoting JamesR from Mar 18 2012 10:44:26:
I'm a little confused. Will you explain to me how organized religions benefit communities and contribute to charities without there being individual people involved? Because I understand that a lot of individual people like to do good work, but I don't see how the concept of an organized religion has anything to do with it. So if you could help me out with that I'd appreciate it.

we dont need police either. or a society. or any organizations for that matter. all we need are individual people, right? they will act and do good independently, right?

the thing is, people wont be motivated to do good on a large scale unless their community is doing so as well. its an over simplified view of people, and the world to say otherwise.

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Mar 18 2012
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Yesssss now I've created an off-topic shitstorm. Good going NS, particularly Mike-O, you seem to be the fire starter master lol.

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Mar 18 2012
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Quoting Dr.Gnar from Mar 18 2012 4:27:26:
Yesssss now I've created an off-topic shitstorm. Good going NS, particularly Mike-O, you seem to be the fire starter master lol.

you should have known what to expect.

especially since you "have been hear for years"

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Mar 18 2012
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Quoting .RYAN66$ from Mar 18 2012 4:55:09:
you should have known what to expect. especially since you "have been hear for years"

Indeed, I did expect this, and satisfied at the result

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Mar 18 2012
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Quoting Dr.Gnar from Mar 18 2012 5:02:45:
Indeed, I did expect this, and satisfied at the result

i really hate members like you.

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Mar 18 2012
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Quoting Mike-O

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Ah, so this is where the troll shows its true face. I feel bad for not noticing it earlier. Cool/troll face along now, little Jimmy. Take it easy now, you hear?

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Mar 18 2012
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Those that make a shitload should be paying more in taxes anyways......................................

why?

do they use more government?

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Mar 18 2012
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Quoting Mike-O

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If you believe in something, hell, go for it, but organized religion in itself is a plague to society, it always has been and mosr evidently it is today.

I dont see how this is AT ALL conducive to any type of discourse.

Ask yourself whether the dream of heaven and greatness should be waiting for us in our graves - or whether it should be ours here and now and on this earth.

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Mar 18 2012
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You know Obama has NOTHING to do with rising gas prices, right? Supply and demand, and contrary to popular belief, our supply is similar to what it has been, its the demand that has brought prices up.

Yikes.

US oil consumption has fallen by 1.9 million barrels per day since 2005.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/12/usa-exports-gasoline-idUSL2E8ECCRU20120312

That is a 9% reduction in consumption
http://http:www.csmonitor.com/Business/2012/0223/Americans-trend-line-on-gasoline-Use-less-spend-more

Demand in the US has fallen, not risen.

Obama has NOTHING to go with rising gas prices? You cannot be serious.

At a House hearing this week, Energy Secretary Chu was asked if "the overall goal [of President Obama] is to get our price lower?" Chu replied, "No."

The secretary's curt response reiterated a statement he made back in December 2008 -- when gas prices were half what they are today.

Upon being named energy secretary, the former college professor said the administration's strategy would be to raise prices high enough to make expensive alternatives more competitive.

"Somehow," Chu told the Wall Street Journal, "we have to figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe."

http://www.sunshinestatenews.com/story/no-gas-pains-barack-obama-energy-chief-lower-prices-still-not-priority

Even ignoring that you would be wrong. Obama has been running $1.2+ trillion deficits each year has been in office. The Federal Reserve purchases about 70% of our debt by printing money out of thin air. Obama appointed Bernanke to be the Fed Chairman who has printed an additional $1 trillion+ for his open market operations.

You honestly think that expanding the money supply by trillions has no effect on the price of one of the most important commodities in our economy?

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Mar 18 2012
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Quoting woozy$ from Mar 18 2012 9:16:15:
Yikes. US oil consumption has fallen by 1.9 million barrels per day since 2005. http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/12/usa-exports-gasoline-idUSL2E8ECCRU20120312 That is a 9% reduction in consumption http://http:www.csmonitor.com/Business/2012/0223/Americans-trend-line-on-gasoline-Use-less-spend-more Demand in the US has fallen, not risen. Obama has NOTHING to go with rising gas prices? You cannot be serious. At a House hearing this week, Energy Secretary Chu was asked if "the overall goal [of President Obama] is to get our price lower?" Chu replied, "No." The secretary's curt response reiterated a statement he made back in December 2008 -- when gas prices were half what they are today. Upon being named energy secretary, the former college professor said the administration's strategy would be to raise prices high enough to make expensive alternatives more competitive. "Somehow," Chu told the Wall Street Journal, "we have to figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe." http://www.sunshinestatenews.com/story/no-gas-pains-barack-obama-energy-chief-lower-prices-still-not-priority Even ignoring that you would be wrong. Obama has been running $1.2+ trillion deficits each year has been in office. The Federal Reserve purchases about 70% of our debt by printing money out of thin air. Obama appointed Bernanke to be the Fed Chairman who has printed an additional $1 trillion+ for his open market operations. You honestly think that expanding the money supply by trillions has no effect on the price of one of the most important commodities in our economy?

is oil a commodity?

does oil harvested in the US get sold competitively on the international market?

Does america pay some of the lowest prices in the world for gas?

so without govt intervening a fuck-ton, how can we make the price of oil lower?

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Mar 18 2012
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Quoting skiminnesota$ from Mar 18 2012 5:44:16:
why? do they use more government?

wasn't being 100% serious...

but most of the time, yes, they actually do. Government protects their jobs/companies/cooperations that they work for. They use up more infrastructure when they have a business that relies on transportation of goods. They consume the most energy.

why allow there to exist an exponentially growing gap between the ultra-wealthy/wealthy and the poor/lower classes?

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Mar 18 2012
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Quoting woozy$ from Mar 18 2012 9:16:15:
At a House hearing this week, Energy Secretary Chu was asked if "the overall goal [of President Obama] is to get our price lower?" Chu replied, "No."

good. I agree with him.

Rising prices will help really drive the point home that we can't be dependent on oil. Chu knows this, Obama knows this, I know this, you should know this.

Drilling our own oil will fuck us over in the long run. Not that you conservatives care much about the future anyways...

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Mar 18 2012
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Quoting woozy$ from Mar 18 2012 9:16:15:
The Federal Reserve purchases about 70% of our debt by printing money out of thin air.

lol typical libertarian argument. it always boils down to the federal reserve. ALWAYS

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Mar 18 2012
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Quoting Amadeus.$$ from Mar 14 2012 11:48:54:
DO YOU KNOW WHY THE 50's WERE SO PROSPEROUS?!!! BECAUSE OF KEYNESIAN FUCKING ECONOMICS. The 1950's to 1980s had the most government regulation this country has ever seen, thats why the middle class was so strong.

not even sure where to begin.

Why do you think regulations produce wealth?

And what makes you think the amount of regulation has fallen since the 80s? Look at the amount of regulations for the federal tax code.

The size of the Federal Register has ballooned.

Can you name three regulations you believed to have created the middle class that have been repealed?

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Mar 18 2012
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Quoting 1337

from Mar 18 2012 9:34:51:
lol typical libertarian argument. it always boils down to the federal reserve. ALWAYS

LOL at your typical response. You name call rather than discuss the matter at hand.

Please provide an explanation for how the money supply can be expanded by trillions and have zero effect on the price of gas.

As you noted before, world oil production has been essentially level since 2005. More money in circulation chasing the same amount of oil. Prices must rise, its very very very simple.

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Mar 18 2012
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Quoting woozy$ from Mar 18 2012 9:38:46:
LOL at your typical response. You name call rather than discuss the matter at hand. Please provide an explanation for how the money supply can be expanded by trillions and have zero effect on the price of gas. As you noted before, world oil production has been essentially level since 2005. More money in circulation chasing the same amount of oil. Prices must rise, its very very very simple.

its not the massive burgeoning demand of china, india and other countries that is making it rise?

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Mar 18 2012
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Quoting Amadeus.$$ from Mar 14 2012 11:48:54:
EISENHOWER TAXED THE RICH AT 90 FUCKING PERCENT!

The highest tax bracket was 91%. However, no body paid that much in taxes. The 1953 tax code provided tons of deductions. There was also a huge problem with tax evasion.

Look at the tax revenue collected from individual taxes as a percent of GDP over time.

You think the government actually collected 91% from rich people and collected about 7% - 8% of GDP when they collect pretty much the same percentage when the highest tax rate is now 38%?

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Mar 18 2012
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Quoting 1337

from Mar 18 2012 9:27:32:
why allow there to exist an exponentially growing gap between the ultra-wealthy/wealthy and the poor/lower classes?

because its competition. same reason fat kids shouldn't get participation trophies

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Mar 18 2012
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Quoting californiagrown from Mar 18 2012 9:20:59:
is oil a commodity? does oil harvested in the US get sold competitively on the international market? Does america pay some of the lowest prices in the world for gas? so without govt intervening a fuck-ton, how can we make the price of oil lower?

Ugh yeah oil is a commodity.

Obviously there is an international market for oil. I believe the US just became a net exporter of oil.

Do we pay some of the lowest prices? Yes. Globally, oil is priced in US dollars. Foreign countries have to purchase dollars in order to purchase oil, we don't need to do that. There are obviously many other factors though. Increased demand from emerging markets pushes prices up.

Lowering prices without government intervention?
Stop borrowing from the fed (stop devaluing the dollar)
Allow companies to drill and refine.
Allow competing currencies free of taxation. If you look at the historical price oil in terms of gold its incredibly consistent and inexpensive.

Notice the divergence at 71/72? Thats not a coincidence.

More recent figures

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Mar 18 2012
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Quoting woozy$ from Mar 18 2012 10:17:31:
Ugh yeah oil is a commodity. Obviously there is an international market for oil. I believe the US just became a net exporter of oil. Do we pay some of the lowest prices? Yes. Globally, oil is priced in US dollars. Foreign countries have to purchase dollars in order to purchase oil, we don't need to do that. There are obviously many other factors though. Increased demand from emerging markets pushes prices up. Lowering prices without government intervention? Stop borrowing from the fed (stop devaluing the dollar) Allow companies to drill and refine. Allow competing currencies free of taxation. If you look at the historical price oil in terms of gold its incredibly consistent and inexpensive.

Notice the divergence at 71/72? Thats not a coincidence. More recent figures

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Mar 18 2012
10:29:23PM

Quoting Amadeus.$$ from Mar 14 2012 11:48:54:
2. Learn about how a government gets out of a recession (eg. great depression).

I will help you take your own advice.

From 1919 to 1920 the US GNP fell by 17% and unemployment shot from 4% to 12%. The fall in GNP and rise in unemployment were more severe than experienced at the start of the Great Depression

Rather spending more, the government reduced spending.

From fiscal year 1919 to 1920 federal spending was cut from $18.5 billion to $6.4 billion (thats a massive 65% cut). By fiscal year 1922 the budget was only $3.3 billion.

Unemployment fell from 12% to 6.7% by 1922. By 1923 unemployment was 2.4% Taxes were cut across the board, our national debt was reduced by a third, and interest rates were raised to record highs (7%).

http://mises.org/daily/3788
http://www.thefreemanonline.org/featured/the-depression-youve-never-heard-of-1920-1921/

The government didnt get us out of the great depression, they made the great depression great.

I'd recommending reading Murray Rothbard's "America's Great Depression"
http://mises.org/Rothbard/AGD.pdf

and Robert Murphy's "Politically Incorrect Guide to the Great Depression"

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Mar 18 2012
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Quoting 1337

from Mar 18 2012 9:27:32:
wasn't being 100% serious... but most of the time, yes, they actually do. Government protects their jobs/companies/cooperations that they work for. They use up more infrastructure when they have a business that relies on transportation of goods. They consume the most energy. why allow there to exist an exponentially growing gap between the ultra-wealthy/wealthy and the poor/lower classes?

does the government only protect the rich with these? or are those things that everyone benefits from? the upholding of contracts, courts, police, a military, etc.

they consume the most energy? what the hell is that supposed to mean?

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Mar 18 2012
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But what about Rick Santorum? lolz

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Mar 18 2012
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Quoting skiminnesota$ from Mar 18 2012 10:45:31:
does the government only protect the rich with these? or are those things that everyone benefits from? the upholding of contracts, courts, police, a military, etc. they consume the most energy? what the hell is that supposed to mean?

why do we need governments to do those things?

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Mar 18 2012
11:21:10PM

Quoting JamesR from Mar 18 2012 11:18:40:
why do we need governments to do those things?

i dont know if we necessarily do. if theres another way to uphold property rights, lets talk. otherwise

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