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Quoting MagSeven from Sep 14 2011 2:28:15:
To WillStart, I agree, it sucks for the photographer who has trained and invested alot of money into his craft. Unfortunately though, even though he is producing art, he is selling it. And for that reason he becomes a business man. (I would argue that to be a true artist, if he is happy with a photo, it wouldn't matter if it sells for $1 or $10,000 or just hangs on a wall for others to enjoy.) It's a terrible shame, but if photography and other artforms are a way of making money, it can't be exempt from other forces in the market. Anyway, no point in arguing a fact. Lets get back to the point of the thread!

Quoting Thenowhereman42 from Sep 14 2011 6:47:33:
Seeing all the great pictures in this thread has inspired me to start my own photography business, starting with a picture I took at Mammoth last year. I'm uploading it to my new portfolio which is on facebook for some reason, what do you think?

Quoting MatRich from Sep 14 2011 10:36:00:
Let me just tell you this, you realy think highly of yourself to judge an industry you clearly know nothing about. Why do you think no photographer in here said it didnt bother them? The fact is, it cuts their income and they have had it happen to them. Now get your head out of your ass and stop judging the photography industry which you know nothing about.

Quoting skithesprings$ from Sep 8 2011 11:48:54:
from a photography standpoint, those all suck, sorry.

Quoting davyjones from Sep 14 2011 7:43:08:
anybody with a camera is to photographer as anybody with a scalpel is to surgeon

Quoting steep$ from Sep 10 2011 12:01:29:

Quoting MagSeven from Sep 14 2011 7:21:48:
Hey Mat, it isn't necessary to get personal, it's just discussion.

Quoting WillStart$ from Sep 15 2011 2:52:33:
Mat is right though, that's the thing. The only people in this thread who don't seem to think the trend is a problem are people who clearly don't know much about the industry. Not a single photog has come in and said 'eh I don't see the harm in it.'

Quoting Brodawg$$ from Sep 8 2011 9:05:31:
4. Write girl quote in cursive in MS Paint. IM SO DEEP

Quoting Willard from Sep 15 2011 5:22:34:
Well maybe thats the reason. If some person wants to buy a camera from best buy and start a company on facebook theres nothing wrong with it. Everyone has to start somewhere and i bet some of these people wont bother to learn much in the long run. However can you blame the people that will choose the facebook page/family/friend for a cheap photo session then hire a true photographer. When i buy new gear for skiing i dont go to the store i go to the outlet. If someone was to ask me who some good local photographers were i couldnt tell you. I could list a few bigger names that shoot skiing/snowboarding or for the local paper but thats it. This thread is simply a hate thread for people who are "taking your money". The more advanced technology gets and the cheaper the prices thats just 1 more person trying to get clients. Maybe instead of having people contact you, try going after companies and shoot for them because they will be wanting quality and then you have a more consistent schedule. I know virtually nothing about the industry but in all reality i think it helps. Everyone is struggling with jobs trust me you guys arent the only ones. I bet if you took some of the best photographers in the world they would be bitching about you guys. I know im getting hate for this

Quoting MatRich from Sep 15 2011 5:34:03:
what you dont get, and you said it yourself ( you know next to nothing about this industry) is that we cant be mad at those clients, they are out saving their money. What we can be mad about is photographers breaking the code of ethics and underselling the industry. Those top notch photographers dont care about us, because they offer a quality that is worth their niche market. The average photographer doesnt have a niche market, they have a market of people who want to save a bit and get good pictures. A top notch photographer only sells to people who see the value in paying 10G for a wedding. Those clients dont care about price. Our clientel is entry level and does want to be carefull with the price. Now when someone takes your job because he charges stupid low, that is not good. And those are our clients they are taking, not just the poor ass ones who would never think about our services. Usualy the way it happens, you are setting a contract for a client. Lets say he is willing to pay 600, you have him set on that price and he is ok with it. Next week comes along a facebook Fauxtographer who tells him 300, what does he do? he goes to the cheap guy and undercuts you. You guys have realy nothing to argue on, this is a massive issue that is known by any photographer. its aknowledged as a problem and is very frustrating to photographers. Just be humble, guys, and admit you dont know enough about it as an outsider so you should stop pronouncing yourselves.

Quoting HKrass from Sep 15 2011 7:02:38:
iIm thinking of starting a fan page

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Quoting jblaski from Sep 20 2011 4:24:25:
So...a bunch of photos that I took working for Tough Mudder this week were used on their website/facebook. Does that make me a professional photographer now?!?!?!?!?!?!

Quoting Bukakke_Bagels from Sep 20 2011 5:06:35:
A friend send me this today:

Quoting MatRich from Sep 15 2011 5:34:03:
Lets say he is willing to pay 600, you have him set on that price and he is ok with it. Next week comes along a facebook Fauxtographer who tells him 300, what does he do? he goes to the cheap guy and undercuts you.

Quoting steep$ from Sep 10 2011 12:01:29:

Quoting El_Barto.$ from Sep 20 2011 5:38:09:
lower your price to compete then. is it better to make some money or no money? if you dont have work and people are offering the same service you provide, relatively speaking, for less money then you are an awful businessman.

Quoting Balto from Sep 20 2011 5:52:55:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA oh god what a complete tool, please tell me you called him out over that

Quoting WillStart$ from Sep 20 2011 5:56:00:
if it seems that simple to you, then you don't understand. quite a bit more to it than that

Quoting El_Barto.$ from Sep 20 2011 5:38:09:
lower your price to compete then. is it better to make some money or no money? if you dont have work and people are offering the same service you provide, relatively speaking, for less money then you are an awful businessman.

Quoting LOVE_NINJA.$ from Sep 20 2011 6:03:13:
I FOUND HIS FACEBOOK PHOTOGRAPHY PAGE! http://www.facebook.com/search.php?q=james+osborne&init=quick&tas=0.38989410674438496&search_first_focus=1316555938223#!/pages/James-Osborne-Photography/132309680168756

Quoting Flying~Squirrel$ from Sep 20 2011 6:33:21:

Quoting El_Barto.$ from Sep 20 2011 6:15:08:
elaborate please

Quoting steep$ from Sep 10 2011 12:01:29:

Quoting caucasian_chad$ from Sep 13 2011 7:48:29:
Fuck.

Quoting line686 from Sep 20 2011 9:13:02:
this thread makes "real photographers" sound so out of touch with the world. being an "art" form changes nothing. it's a capitalist world. you can't compete, you go under. simple as that.