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Quoting swagburg$ from Sep 11 2011 3:02:37:
hes watermark isn't big enough

Quoting swagburg$ from Sep 11 2011 3:02:37:
hes watermark isn't big enough

Quoting Jaggy_Snake$ from Sep 11 2011 4:10:17:
^ When I first saw that, I thought the image was still loading. Then I realized that the idiot who took it never made it in focus....

Quoting Jaggy_Snake$ from Sep 11 2011 4:10:17:
^ When I first saw that, I thought the image was still loading. Then I realized that the idiot who took it never made it in focus....

Quoting CliffyByro$ from Sep 11 2011 7:15:03:
yeah at first i thought it was a clever use of depth of field, but then i realised there was nothing in focus in the foreground haha

Quoting lazy_POS from Sep 8 2011 10:18:42:
this^ Im gonna sound like a complete "hipster" and all that jazz, feel free to skip over this following rant. But i go to a fairly small school in a city that has no culture or art appreciation what so ever, the most popular past time is going to the casino and bowling leagues, (i.e where i go to high school fucking sucks). anyways, i've always been interested in photography as long as i can remember, I've always read (or looked at) Nat Geo mags when i was real little, saying "i wanted to be a National Geographic Photographer" and whatnot. When i 1st started getting into taking pictures myself (around 15 years old, i got a lil kodak point n' shoot for christmas) Some people saw them, thought they were cool and whatnot, cuz no one else took pictures "for fun" in the whole school. And from there one can only advance, learning new stuff, buying new equipment and becoming one with your camera. I do it for myself, i feel like i need to, or else i wont feel the freedom that it entails. Fast foward almost 3 years later, theres now around 10 or more "professional photographers" in the school who have they're own fan page and watermarks, when they're only marketing tool is the shiit they post on FB every 20 minutes. (And i am not saying my stuff is good, but i do it for my own souls fulfillment, not how many likes i can get on fb.) Sorry for the useless rant, it just kinda pisses me off for someone to label them self as a photographer just because you own a camera.

Quoting Dan.$ from Sep 10 2011 11:46:21:
I've been to Missoula. I've also been in the mission district SF, silverlake LA, williamsburg, green point, and park slope brooklyn, in austin during south by, and in portland. trust me when I say you haven't seen shit

Quoting swagburg$ from Sep 11 2011 3:02:37:
hes watermark isn't big enough

Quoting LOVE_NINJA.$ from Sep 8 2011 9:36:02:
i would like to say I'm a good photographer, I mean I'm in a college level photo class

Quoting CJHski from Sep 10 2011 5:53:21:
Alright kids.  I am a working photographer/student at the University of MT.  Nothing bothers me more than all these stupid hipster apps for iphones like "instagram" and such.  It's disappointing that recently photography had to be bundled into the whole hipster scene.  I've been photographing for like 10 years and i'm 22, I've been busting my ass and studying photography for 4 or years, and just in the last year or so I do consider "professional photographer", although i don't call it a career or profession as of yet.  I do consider myself a professional, because I HAVE had professional training, I DO have internships, I HAVE shadowed/assisted very successful photographers on shoots, and because I DO actually make a pretty decent amount of money for my photographs, all while being a full time student, working a standard 9-5 job, and photographing on the side.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to burst my own bubble with the previous statements,  I have just worked my ass off on top of working my ass off to get to where I am today.  Yeah, it really bothers me when people buy a DSLR and buy Photoshop Lightroom--> then they'll throw one of those hip presets that Lightroom has onto a shitty basic photo,-->crop the shit out of the photo-->annnd last they will throw a watermark on it, and call themselves photographers.  I wish it was a requirement to be able to go shoot with an old manual 35mm camera and learn how to develop your own film/print your own photos, before being able to buy a Canon Rebel and Photoshop. That being said, photography is changing rapidly, and for the "real" photographers, it is very frustrating.  But it is what it is.

Quoting VinnieF$ from Sep 11 2011 10:59:00:
Way to be an elitist prick. If someone wants to buy themselves a nice camera and tinker with their mediocre pictures on photoshop why should you or anyone care? They're not intruding on you at all, and it's not like any of them are going to be taking business away from you as no one would ever buy their photos. And if they do, then good on them for being so naturally talented at it.

Quoting Sweetums from Sep 11 2011 10:44:54:
Implying that being in a college level class means anything. I'm in college, therefore I am good at everything? Not how it works.

Quoting WillStart$ from Sep 11 2011 12:56:16:
Actually, they can take business away very easily without being talented whatsoever. read the whole thread, there are some pretty good points made about that.

Quoting CJHski from Sep 10 2011 5:53:21:
Alright kids.  I am a working photographer/student at the University of MT.  Nothing bothers me more than all these stupid hipster apps for iphones like "instagram" and such.  It's disappointing that recently photography had to be bundled into the whole hipster scene.  I've been photographing for like 10 years and i'm 22, I've been busting my ass and studying photography for 4 or years, and just in the last year or so I do consider "professional photographer", although i don't call it a career or profession as of yet.  I do consider myself a professional, because I HAVE had professional training, I DO have internships, I HAVE shadowed/assisted very successful photographers on shoots, and because I DO actually make a pretty decent amount of money for my photographs, all while being a full time student, working a standard 9-5 job, and photographing on the side.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to burst my own bubble with the previous statements,  I have just worked my ass off on top of working my ass off to get to where I am today.  Yeah, it really bothers me when people buy a DSLR and buy Photoshop Lightroom--> then they'll throw one of those hip presets that Lightroom has onto a shitty basic photo,-->crop the shit out of the photo-->annnd last they will throw a watermark on it, and call themselves photographers.  I wish it was a requirement to be able to go shoot with an old manual 35mm camera and learn how to develop your own film/print your own photos, before being able to buy a Canon Rebel and Photoshop. That being said, photography is changing rapidly, and for the "real" photographers, it is very frustrating.  But it is what it is.

Quoting WillStart$ from Sep 8 2011 10:08:25:
cool idea, poor execution though. i never understand why people take the time to watermark and upload photos that are entirely out of focus...that's something people are supposed to be ashamed of, not proud of. to all shitty photographers out there: you don't HAVE to upload every single picture you take.

Quoting VinnieF$ from Sep 11 2011 1:24:02:
I've read the whole thread and fail to see how it makes the life of a professional photographer any more difficult. The point was made that 'these shitty photographers are undermining our business by offering their service for way less than what it's worth'. What doesn't seem to be understood is that the people who hire one of them are the people who would never in a million years pay for a professional photographer in the first place. They'd either spend the 20 bucks or get their nearest friend with a camera to do what they want. They will never spend $300 for a few pictures. Hence it in no way hinders the market for professional photographers. In fact it can only help as they're putting money into the industry by buying all the equipment. We could compare this to skiing so easily. You're making the point "only people who are actually excellent at skiing should try to get sponsored and that shitty sponsorship videos are hurting those who are truely talented at the sport". Do you not see how flawed that is? If you're truely talented all the thousands of shitty sponsor me videos won't affect you at all. And it bugs me that you're thinking that it's only a fad that untalented people like to take pictures. It's not. For as long as there have been consumer cameras available then people have been taking shitty photos and thinking they're a photographer. It's only recently that you actually notice it because of Facebook and Myspace and what not. If sited like that didn't exist you'd never see them at all. You know why you'd never see them and why you never saw them before FB etc existed? Because no one uses their pictures since they suck. Further proving the point that they do not in any way impose on professional photographers. If you actually take the time out of your day to care about these people then there's something wrong with you.

Quoting shadowfax.$ from Sep 11 2011 5:33:04:
THIS picture.......

Quoting WillStart$ from Sep 11 2011 5:27:03:
You are incorrect my friend. Perhaps you missed this post? I thought it illustrates the point pretty nicely. 'Like lets say two weddings are shot. Both capture all the crucial moments. Both couples see that these crucial moments were preserved as clear images and are stoked. It has sentimental value to them. But is it just a picture of them kissing? Or are there elements that compositionally make it a great shot? And does either couple see it? Maybe one of these four people has been shooting for a while and can differentiate between good and great stuff. Long story shot, some people can't tell the difference between professional and decent stuff.' When people are planning weddings, they are willing to drop serious, serious cash. In past years, the couple has only had once choice: Photographer A. Photog A is a professional and has been doing it for a long, long time. He charges a lot ($2000? idk how much photogs charge) and takes nice photos. If Photog A was the only choice, they would hire him. But now, Photog B enters the mix. Photog B is a friend of a friend. He/she has a nice camera, knows how to operate it well on Auto mode, and will capture the moments, but it will probably be a meh photo from an artistic perspective. Photog B charges $100. The couple doesn't know anything about photography, so they are comparing two photographers who both take 'pretty' pictures. One charges $100, one charges $2000. Who do you think they are going to choose? It takes jobs from professionals and undermines the integrity of the business. I never said people who aren't good at photography shouldn't take photos; I never even implied it. Not sure why you are thinking I did. Your skiing example doesn't work. Think about it: who watches the videos? Companies. Companies KNOW good skiing when they see it. In a sense, a big part of their job is to be able to recognize talent. So shitty sponsorship videos are just ignored. Many couples who are about to get married probably don't know how to tell good photography from mediocre photography as long as they both capture the moment. So it was actually your argument that was flawed. Once again, why do you seem to think I am against people taking up photography? I never said anything about that. I encourage people to take up photography/filmmaking all the time. What I am against is people immediately watermarking their photos, putting up a FB page for their 'studio,' and offering services for cheap. That's really what this whole fucking thread is about man. It might not seem like it to you, but it is. And we care because yes, it actually affects us. What is weird to me is that you seem so bent out of shape over something that actually doesn't affect you at all.

Quoting WillStart$ from Sep 11 2011 5:40:41:
let's be a little fair here though and not make fun of all amateur photographers. This shouldn't be a thread to mock less than great pictures taken by beginner photographers, I think some people are missing that. Everybody has to start somewhere, and there's nothing wrong with people being proud of the shots they take and posting them. The point is to mock the shitty pictures that people have watermarked and posted on facebook on their 'photography studio' page or in their 'my photography' album or something.

Quoting VinnieF$ from Sep 11 2011 5:41:06:
Of course there are those photographers who are going to cost the thousands of dollars and who are going to do an exceptional job and there have and always will be those who are mediocre at what they do and charge a minimal amount and the person gets what they pay for. But here's the point that you missed. The person who hires that cheapo off craigslist is not anywhere close to the person who will hire the professional. The only people who will hire someone like that are people who actually care about having a very nice picture. The people who don't care would never spend those thousands of dollars in the first place whether there is a choice or not. For those people, capturing their moment with their uncles $150 camera is good enough; so why do they want to spend the thousands? And why is it a bad thing that there are cheap photographers who take mediocre pictures?? Again, you get what you pay for. I can't think of one industry in the world where there is no such thing as a cheap, low quality alternative. To make it seem like this is only a recent endemic is also false. Like I said before, as long as cameras have been available to the average consumer there have been people offering photographic services for cheap. You only see them since they're on facebook, where facebook didn't exist before. And in the 100+ years of people making a living off photography it sure seems like it's never been a problem.

Quoting shadowfax.$ from Sep 11 2011 5:49:38:
well this isn't the picture that i was actually hoping to put on, I couldnt remember who took the picture. but im pretty sure they watermarked it...but my point is everyone does it. and whats the meaning...so...you have friends that wear shoes? cool.

Quoting WillStart$ from Sep 11 2011 5:53:06:
Not every photo has to have a meaning, sometimes they can just look cool. While i would definitely not consider it a good photo, I actually kind of like looking at it. nothing wrong with people exploring artistic expression a little bit. there's a big difference between making fun of peoples' art (not what this thread is about), and making fun of people who think they are professionals because they bought a $700 camera at Best Buy (what this thread is about).

Quoting Extraterrestri… from Sep 11 2011 5:59:33:
As you can see, This one was turned black and white, and she did a little trick with "photoshop" to really bring out her eyes.... So damn artsy...

Quoting shadowfax.$ from Sep 11 2011 5:59:39:
Yea well I didn't take the time to read the whole thread I guess...and either way your making fun of someone who thinks they are doing something good. rather than that why don't you suggest to these people the ways they could make there photography more appealing. but i guess that's not really how ns thinks

Quoting Dan.$ from Sep 11 2011 6:14:53:
It sounds to me like photography is at the point the music industry was a few years ago. there is no longer a barrier of entry, so everybody is a photographer, just like suddenly everybody was publishing music without major label support. this makes the foundation of the industry super cluttered and hard to sift through all the shit(have you been on a music blog lately?), but people still make it. there is still a ladder to climb for those talented enough to do so, it just takes that much more work to get up out of the crowd and onto that first rung.

Quoting Dan.$ from Sep 11 2011 6:14:53:
It sounds to me like photography is at the point the music industry was a few years ago. there is no longer a barrier of entry, so everybody is a photographer, just like suddenly everybody was publishing music without major label support. this makes the foundation of the industry super cluttered and hard to sift through all the shit(have you been on a music blog lately?), but people still make it. there is still a ladder to climb for those talented enough to do so, it just takes that much more work to get up out of the crowd and onto that first rung.

Quoting KANGBANG2 from Sep 11 2011 6:20:25:
Everybody starts somewhere, guys.

Quoting WillStart$ from Sep 11 2011 6:18:50:
well said. anybody who thinks photography is just as accessible as it has always been is a fool. we're at a point where music, photography, and filmmaking are much, much more accessible than ever. and while there are a lot of downsides, there are also a lot of benefits, but that's for another thread.

Quoting -ROY- from Sep 11 2011 6:32:52:
is photography actually challenging?

Quoting -ROY- from Sep 11 2011 6:39:05:
for real. this is a serious question. what makes it challenging

Quoting WillStart$ from Sep 11 2011 6:41:23:
what makes drawing challenging? what makes playing guitar challenging? or troll. can't tell.

Quoting -ROY- from Sep 11 2011 6:32:52:
is photography actually challenging?

Quoting -ROY- from Sep 11 2011 6:42:37:
no troll.

Quoting -ROY- from Sep 11 2011 6:39:05:
for real. this is a serious question. what makes it challenging

Quoting michelle$ from Sep 11 2011 6:47:43:
I don't know how to even answer this it's so fucking ridiculous

Quoting the.cheat from Sep 11 2011 6:45:54:
willstart wrecking up in page 5

Quoting WillStart$ from Sep 11 2011 7:10:38:
haha is that a good thing or a bad thing