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Full Tilt tongue flex equivalents?

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thisisastickup
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Hey, I'm wondering whet the flexes on the FT tongues equate to in normal flex ratings? I'm asking because I love the flex in my buddy's superchargers, and want the closest tongue I can get.

Also, can I take out the stock heel shim to get less forward lean?

Finally, where aside from the FT store can I buy the tongues?

Thanks.
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Mar 18 2010 11:13PM
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thisisastickup
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Unreal. Everyone and their mother can pitch in on a question about how big some kids shitty jacket is, but no help on this?
Mar 19 2010 8:48AM
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BerGNARdo
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well im pretty sure that even boots that use the same rating system vary greatly in the actual flex so comparing just by numbers isn't really practical. but the last boots I had were some pos technica's rated at either 100 of 90 and my ft's with the number 6 tongue feel a little softer than those but in a much more supportive way. from what i've heard even the #10 tongue isn't really very stiff compared to any race boots or anything up in the 120/130's range.

but if you have ft's than i would just use whatever tongue you have as a guide and decide how much stiffer or softer you want. and if you dont have ft's than just get a pair that has the other features you want (boot board, liner, metal buckles, etc.) and be prepared to buy another tongue.

and I think the shim is removable if you want less forward lean but im not positive. but i know you can buy a bigger one if you want more forward lean so you can probably take it out too.

and i dont know where else to buy the tongues besides the website sorry.
Mar 19 2010 12:47PM
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SweatyBallShack
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This is only a guess, but I'm guessing that a 10 would be like a 100. I know an 8 at least feels like an 80 from using full tilts
Mar 19 2010 2:44PM
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Big_Spence
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don't fucking post anymore.
you know nothing about skiing at all.
Mar 19 2010 2:48PM
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SweatyBallShack
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I said it was a guess. And it was based off of what I observed when I borrowed some full tilts from a friend, but thank you for expressing your right to free speech
Mar 19 2010 2:51PM
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Big_Spence
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your "guess" was that an 8 flex tongue was about an 80? no. not even close. it's closer to a 110.
Seth's tongue (10) is close to a 130-140 i believe, not a 100.
Mar 19 2010 2:54PM
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mmallender.
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i know the shim on my rampages is removable and the two boots have a very similar design and if you are able to buy different shims then it definitely is. i find the easiest way to get it out is completely unbuckle the boot, take out the liner, flex the cuff as far forward as you can and then pull out the shim with a downwards motion.
Mar 19 2010 4:00PM
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thisisastickup
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Thanks for the good replies.

I know you can take the shim out, but what I meant to ask was whether or not it's a good idea.

I'm thinking I'll buy a 6 tongue.
Mar 19 2010 7:20PM
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Slinger1x1
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so like a #4 tongue is a 40 flex?

cmon man, use your head
Mar 19 2010 7:36PM
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mmallender.
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Try it and see what you think? I have tried mine with no insert, a small insert and a large insert and I like the small one the best personally
Mar 19 2010 9:50PM
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SweatyBallShack
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Ya I was thinking about that. High tops are probably stiffer than a 40. haha
Mar 19 2010 10:08PM
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YooperSteeze
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Old booters were 2, which would be 20's...
Mar 19 2010 10:31PM
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SweatyBallShack
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I borrowed some hot doggers once and they felt too flexy, but I think that could have just been because my boots are so much heavier so I was skiing different
Mar 19 2010 10:34PM
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bret
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i mean that's kinda true in a way. the 4 flex tongue feels like you're wearing tall hiking boots. the #2 feels like you could flex your knee straight into your toepiece.

i ditched both those tongues for the #6, which i would call about a 70 flex, definitely a little softer than an original spk. i also have the 10 flex and i would say it's about 100-110. not killer, but not too soft either.

remember, the flex of the boot depends quite a lot on which liner you have also. the thin liner flexes probably about 20 points softer than the pro liner, so keep that in mind when reading people's responses. someone who says that a #4 is dummy soft probably has the weak-flexing thin liner. i've had both and personally would definitely recommend getting a boot with the pro liner; it makes such a difference in fit, ankle hold, and the smoothness of the flex!

hopefully this is some useful info and can help you with your decision.
Mar 20 2010 11:02AM
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SweatyBallShack
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best answer
Mar 20 2010 2:58PM
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onenerdykid
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Here's the best breakdown:
#10 tongue = about a 140 traditional flex
#8 tongue = about a 125/130
#6 tongue = about a 100/110
#4 tongue = about 80

As someone earlier noted, the liners themselves add to the boot's overall stiffness too, so if you put a #10 tongue on a Classic, it won't be quite as stiff as an out of the box Seth boot because the liner of the Seth is way stiffer and firmer.  Bear in mind that the whole point of FT's 3-piece design is to provide an unimpeded flex pattern, so a #10/140 tongue might feel softer only because it's actually flexing the way it should.
Mar 20 2010 4:01PM
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JakeSalvador
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bump because full tilts are the best
Mar 22 2010 10:49PM
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DeRizzo
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onenerdykidHere's the best breakdown:
#10 tongue = about a 140 traditional flex
#8 tongue = about a 125/130
#6 tongue = about a 100/110
#4 tongue = about 80

As someone earlier noted, the liners themselves add to the boot's overall stiffness too, so if you put a #10 tongue on a Classic, it won't be quite as stiff as an out of the box Seth boot because the liner of the Seth is way stiffer and firmer.  Bear in mind that the whole point of FT's 3-piece design is to provide an unimpeded flex pattern, so a #10/140 tongue might feel softer only because it's actually flexing the way it should.


Bump.

I'm coming off of a 4 flex tongue from Full Tilt and I just got Salomon Ghost FS 90 boots. They felt really good in the shop, and they flex with my leg nicely. Should I be going for the 110? I ski mostly park, probably 70% park 30% all mountain. Help please.
Oct 1 2014 7:57PM
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vickylee
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Bump,

Would a 6 flex tongue be like a 110 in the normal flex setting?
Oct 31 2015 1:41AM
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brov1
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Big_Spenceyour "guess" was that an 8 flex tongue was about an 80? no. not even close. it's closer to a 110.
Seth's tongue (10) is close to a 130-140 i believe, not a 100.


this is super wrong. as someone who works at a shop, and had to go to an info session with the full tilt rep. not to mention boot flex ratings are not regulated so each company and really each boot is different. that being said the rep talked talked about the tongues on an average way.
he said this: (by this i mean the words came out of his mouth so dont go trying to dis agree)
4 = 60- 70
6 = 75 - 85
8 = 90-100
10 = 110 -120
full tilts are far far softer than your average boot. my dalbello lupos feel just about twice as stiff as my old classic even with the 10 flex tongue. i hate to be a dick but you have no right to be making comments on other people knowledge when yours is just plain incorrect man just chill out
Nov 1 2015 12:49AM
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DBack1321
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I cent believe no one has said this yet, so here it goes. There are no universal flex measurements between different lines of boots. Flex is only relative to that specific line of boot. I ski in Technica Mach1 130s. The 130 flex rating is only comparable to other boots in the Mach1 line. 130 is stiffer than the 120, the 120 is stiffer than the 110 yada yada yada you get the point. Outside of that line of boots, it means nothing. They could be softer, the same or stiffer flex wise than any other 130 boot on the market.

The only way to see what works for you, is to try them on. I've never even tried on FT so I can't tell you how they feel in comparison to other boots I've used.
Nov 1 2015 1:40AM
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Leroy989
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DBack1321I cent believe no one has said this yet, so here it goes. There are no universal flex measurements between different lines of boots. Flex is only relative to that specific line of boot. I ski in Technica Mach1 130s. The 130 flex rating is only comparable to other boots in the Mach1 line. 130 is stiffer than the 120, the 120 is stiffer than the 110 yada yada yada you get the point. Outside of that line of boots, it means nothing. They could be softer, the same or stiffer flex wise than any other 130 boot on the market.

The only way to see what works for you, is to try them on. I've never even tried on FT so I can't tell you how they feel in comparison to other boots I've used.

Your right in that stiffness will vary slightly between companies but the number system that they use is fairly universal. A 100 flex technica will flex the same as a 100 flex dalbello. Full tilt however doesn't follow the same universal system because of their three piece design.
Nov 28 2015 11:07AM
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