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Noob backflip question

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deleted5
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so i have tried back flips 2 times before both times i dislocated my shoulder. I'm trying again next week and, I was thinking if i brought my dads hockey shoulder pads (yes i know I'd stupid but i really don't care) if that would help if i landed on my neck or shoulder.
Dec 24 2009 6:51PM
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JakeC
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frontflip?
Dec 24 2009 6:52PM
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BC.
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don't be a pussy. commit.
Dec 24 2009 6:52PM
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Noss.
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U CAN DO IT
Dec 24 2009 6:52PM
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deleted5
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yeah can do those, tied the back flip 2 time last year fell couldn't ski for a while after both.
Dec 24 2009 6:56PM
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DR.SHRED
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watch tech talk on backflips. commit 110%
Dec 24 2009 7:03PM
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jamodeo
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alright so i started trying and doing backflips yesterday i found that its all about the attitude you have going into the jump i did mine on a 26 or 30 foot park jump with about and inch of pow and the first one i did i went sideways after the flip and fell but the next i flipped a little harder and got around easy it is just like a trampoline except you spin slower a bigger jump would help but you have to know you can do it
Dec 24 2009 7:05PM
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deleted5
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here here is the thing i do go 110% but i use to dive and doing back flips on a diving board i would stay tucked until i hit the water. and i do the same thing for skiing i tried to spot it but because of diving i just can't.
Dec 24 2009 7:16PM
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Forkstealer
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Yes hockey pads would prolly help, youre not gonna land a backflip in hockey pads, theyre just too bulky. Wait for a powder day or learn it in skis on the tramp first.
Dec 24 2009 7:19PM
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deleted5
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i can do them on tramps, but i live on the east what is pow.
Dec 24 2009 7:39PM
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SEABURN
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I wear one of these to keep my should in it's socket

http://www.amazon.com/EVS-SB02-Shoulder-Brace-Large/dp/B001A6RZMO


way better than hockey pads.
Dec 24 2009 7:51PM
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Noss.
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lol "but i live on the east what is pow." i agree
Dec 24 2009 7:52PM
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illadelphlife
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first do em on a tramp and get the feeling of flipping while traveling forward, then try a backflip, but why a back flip you might as well try a cork or something, some people think there easier.
Dec 24 2009 7:58PM
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spiegel
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wearing hockey knee pads will protect you from shinbang
Dec 24 2009 8:01PM
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Colbs
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That's just stupid bud. I'm a diver also and i've been doing backflips forever, but i'm just now about to take them to the snow. you're SUPPOSE to spot for diving. you're not a dier, you just go off the diving board. I'm positive diving will help me with the trick because it's taught me keeping my abs tight, using your arms to boost you into the air, and spotting your landing. i would say confidence is truly the most important part of the trick tho
Dec 24 2009 8:35PM
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eheath
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Just don't fall.
Dec 24 2009 8:38PM
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TheBeardedOne
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I landed my first backies last saturday.. and they're really easy all you have to do is throw it hard and commit. Set the rotation with your hips instead of your head like on a tramp..

Just commit and you'll get it no problem.
Dec 24 2009 8:38PM
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butteredjohnson
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bring your boots on the tramp and just huck it that'll help with the weight of skis and boots and just swing your legs through dont bail mid air
Dec 24 2009 8:45PM
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deleted5
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bro that how I dive I just huck shit http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=logo#/video/video.php?v=8626897834&subj=1350900828
Dec 24 2009 8:52PM
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Dr.Brown
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nwv61Uu1fdA&feature=related
Dec 24 2009 8:55PM
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Dr.Brown
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fail...
Dec 24 2009 8:56PM
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Mr.Huck
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Have you been over rotating or under rotating?  If you are under rotating then you are not doing the same thing that you are doing on the tramp.  You have to look back towards the ground and spot, then tuck only if you feel like you need it to get around.  No pow, no prob.  Build a freestyle mogul style kicker and break up the landing area 1 foot deep with a metal shovel.  That will give you something soft to land in.  Shoulder  pads are not a good idea.  Wearing those will limit your movements.  I'd say you have a 90 percent chance of lawn darting, because you will have a tougher time looking back to spot your landing.  Get on a tramp and do 99 back flips before you do it on snow.  Do 33 layouts, 33 pikes, 33 tucks.   Get used to increasing and slowing down your rotation.  Last, when you are dropping in for your back flip attempt, think about f'ing the sky.  Throw your hips up and your head back to spot your landing. 
Dec 24 2009 9:00PM
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ski-swagga
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^
Dec 24 2009 9:08PM
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calypso_
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if you have the balls to try double fronts backies should be mad easy, just commit and its all from the hips get a solid pop and you're set
Dec 24 2009 9:11PM
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deleted5
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well the first 2 were under then the 3 time was over the 3rd one is here http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=8626897834&subj=1350900828#/video/video.php?v=1120629610315&subj=1350900828 at 1:22
Dec 24 2009 9:15PM
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Mr.Huck
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Pause at 126.  You are inverted, in kind of a slight pike, but you are still looking up.  When you don't spot your landing, you don't know whether you have to rotate faster or slower.  "Look at the ground, you'll get around; look at the sky, you're going to die".  That's why you need to hit the tramp again.  Try some standing backs on the tramp.  Try some backs where you have more height than you normally do them with.  Make sure you are seeing the mat ideally just before you get to 180. 
Dec 24 2009 9:30PM
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ted.d
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i dont think wearing hockey shoulder pads would stop you from dislocating your shoulder
Dec 24 2009 9:33PM
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JZA
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keystone?
Dec 24 2009 9:35PM
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theabortionator
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If your not going to commit and go for it, don't try a flip. You'll hurt yourself. If you really want to do one it's such an easy trick. If you can do it on the trampoline, or into a pool. Throw yourself into the flip, bring your knees up over your head and tuck, spot the landing and open up to slow the rotation if needed. For real, one of the easiest tricks, you just gotta commit, or you'll get owned.

Dec 24 2009 9:37PM
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Colbs
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it's not official until you look like youre trying to squezze on out:
http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs104.snc1/4581_1134074997380_1392451029_30707874_772428_n.jpg

fuck pointing toess.

if i still cant do a backflip on skis after learning triple backs off the board, i'm going to just quit skiing.
Dec 24 2009 9:38PM
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dylansiggers
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troofs
Dec 24 2009 9:53PM
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304NordMan
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i have never tried one, but it seems like commitment is the most important

Dec 24 2009 10:05PM
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jamodeo
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Burke VT far from it
Dec 24 2009 10:09PM
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Sean*Miller
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Yuo just need to make sure you commit. I landed my first backlip because i threw it all the way and cam around. Your more likely to not get hurt if you fully commit than if you don commit and freak out in the air. Good luck
Dec 24 2009 10:52PM
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-Dan
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death by john ware from Evan Heath on Vimeo.


Dec 24 2009 11:50PM
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no_steeze
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me too, because of diving i close my eyes during backflips so i can't spot my landing
Dec 25 2009 12:27AM
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enick
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wow...
Dec 25 2009 12:44AM
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Dr.NS
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dude do you seriously have a g suit and magic pants?

Dec 25 2009 12:47AM
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deleted5
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yeah Y
Dec 25 2009 1:20AM
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ScuffDUFF
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dont hate.
Dec 25 2009 2:45AM
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Dustin.
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It's seriously the easiest trick out there, or at least tied with a 180.  Go in with a tiny bit of extra speed, lean back and spot the landing, land.  Cake.  I stomped my first one on snow back when I started doing them.  My buddy just told me it's the same as a trampoline, led me in, and I committed 100%.  So in closing, no hockey pads, that is just preparing for failure.  There is no trying with this, just doing.
Dec 25 2009 3:23AM
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Mitch-DownUnder
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just tape the shit out of your shoulder and you should be gold!!! ive got a bung knee and i just tape the shit out of it and it seems to be all good!!!
Dec 25 2009 3:34AM
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benJAHmin
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I learnt them a few weeks ago, literally just throw it as hard as you can and COMMIT, the first one i did i over-rotated and its a lot better to over-rotate than under rotate. I would say now that they are probably easier than 3's. HUCK AND COMMIT.
Dec 25 2009 6:18AM
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benJAHmin
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Sorry for dub post but i forgot to say, use the whole of the jump, when you're at the bottom bend your legs, pump and go with the flow of the jump. Get a good pop and then spot your landing as early as possible, then you have pretty much made it.
Dec 25 2009 6:22AM
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sklermang
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i would help you but i plan on learning them this season.

aren't you the dude who was laying down double fronts at mt. snow last season? just huck that shit haha
Dec 25 2009 9:13AM
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Malcolm
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get them consistently on a tramp first
Dec 25 2009 10:01AM
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Su[G]ar
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what are the chances of breaking your neck on the backflip?
Dec 25 2009 10:21AM
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Mr.Huck
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Excellent, if you just huck and pray.  You need to feel confident that you have done everything you can to prepare and make it safer.  When we were at Woodward at Copper, a kid was working on backs into the foam pit.  He had gotten around on 4 attempts and then for some reason he stalled his rotation on one.  He went in head first.  He wrenched his neck and was in a lot of pain, but luckily didn't break anything. 

I've also seen a guy do a one and a half.  He never walked again.  I've stalled out and landed on my chest.  I've had a jump collapse while I was trying to back flip.  I was upside down and completely stalled.  All I could do was ball up and land on my neck and shoulders.  It was off of a back country jump so at least the landing was soft.

Not trying to preach, but this is definitely something you want to take seriously. 
Dec 26 2009 9:56AM
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splatters
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backflips are definitely the easiest flip to do it just takes major gonads to do them
everyones right that if you commit 100% then its all yours
Dec 26 2009 11:37AM
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deleted5
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soooo heres what happen I was at at snow and who ever the kids from PA were thank you. i was doing some runs with them and out of nowhere a kid busted out a rodeo. I said fuck backflips im doing a rodeo. so he tells me just lean back and put your head over your shoulder. so i go to the jump look back and try to twist having no idea where i was in the air i could feel i was upside down and then i landed on my feet. i ask them was that a rodeo they said no instead i did an under flip so now i can underfilp and thats what happen.
Dec 29 2009 12:22PM
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blong131
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congrats thats sick haha
Dec 29 2009 12:25PM
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