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Subject: The answer to "what binding"
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Ok, so lately I’ve been noticing a ton of threads asking what bindings would suit them the best and as winter gets closer there’s gonna be a ton more, so I thought it’d be a good idea to have a thread which includes some info to your questions when considering binding choices.

 

Main things to consider when selecting bindings are skier weight, skier ability, binding price, and type of skiing you will be using it for.

 

There’s a lot of bindings around so I’m going to stick to the more popular ones and the ones i’ve had experience with.

 

First off, i’m assuming ability rating of II and III here:

 

10 Din and below bindings: I would recommend a 10 din and under binding for light weight skiers. Even for a skier who is rates themselves as level III ability, if they are under about 120lbs a 10 din might even be a bit much depending on the min setting of the binding. For reference, a din chart estimates a din of 6 (varies slightly depending on a few factors) for a level III skier between 108-125lbs.

 

12 Din Bindings: I would usually recommend a 12 din binding for people between 145lbs and 170/175lbs or so depending on ability. For most people on here, a 12 din binding would be perfect. If you’re a more cautious skier and don’t go fast, take impact ect you should really go down to a 10 din or below binder. Likewise if your aggressive skier you can go up, but be realistic. Don’t get an 18 din binding because if makes you look cool. You won’t be thinking its cool when you’re getting knee surgery and can’t ski half the winter.

 

14/15 Din Bindings: I would recommend a 14/15 din binding generally only for people who are 175lbs+ as well as being a pretty aggressive skier. Basically, if you’re not rating yourself as a level III skier and doing big jumps, cliff hucks, and skiing fast ect, you don’t need it and your better off saving your money.

 

18 + Din bindings: I would only recommend an 18+ din binding for people who are skiing very aggressively and are reasonably heavy. I would normally only recommend something like this for big mtn skiers where you only want your skis to come off in pretty gnarly bails.

 

All of these recommendations give you some “leeway” of the max din of the binding for the particular weight at a level lll skier. You don’t really want to be within 2 dins of the max. So for a 10 Din binding, you don’t really want to be setting it above about 8, likewise if it starts at 5 you don’t really want to se it too far below 7. So yeah..check the din range first.

 

10/11 Din er’s:

-Tyrolia Peak 11 (3-11)

-Rossignol freeski 100

-Look PX 10

-Look P10

-Rossi SAS 100

-head Mojo 11

-Rossi SAS2 110

 

12 Din er’s:

-Marker Griffon

-Look PX 12/Dynastar PX12/ PX12 jib

-Look P12

-Rossignol FKS 120

-Head Mojo/ Tyrolia Peak/ Amplid (all the same)

-Rossignol Axial 120

-Rossignol Axial worldcup 120

-Salomon STH 12

-Rossi SAS 120

-Rossi Axial2 120

-Rossi scratch 120

-Tyrolia freeflex 12

-4frnt deadbolt 12

-Rossi SAS 110

 

14/15/16s :

-Rossignol FKS 155

-Rossignol freeski 140

-Rossignol freeski 150

-Rossignol Axial 140

-Marker Jester

-Head Mojo 15/Tyrolia Peak 15

-Look PX14/PX15

-Salomon STH 16

-Salomon STH 14

-Salomon S914 Lab

-Tyrolia Freeflex 15

-Rossi SAS2 140

-Rossi SAS2 140 Ti

-4frnt deadbolt 14

 

18+ :

-Look P18

-Rossignol FKS 185

-Rossignol freeski 180

-Tyrolia Freeflex 18

-Salomon s920

-Salomon S916 (only goes to 16, but I’d put it up there with p18’s ect)

-rossi Freeski 200

-Rossi freeski2 180

-Rossi SAS2 200

 

Remember, this is a general GUDIELINE ONLY. There are a huge number of factors to consider. I know people who weigh nothing but are hucking off 60 foot cliffs, so they need a high din binding to keep them in. I know just as many people who like to ski on groomers and take it easy so don’t need a high din binding even though they are heavy. Ask yourself how heavy you are, how hard you ski. Where you ski, what you ski, and what ski your putting it on when choosing a binding.

 

 

DISCLAIMER: If you don’t know what you’re doing, do everyone a favour and don’t fuck with your dins. Any adjustments you make are at your own risk. Most shops will check your bindings and set dins for nothing, yes for FREE. So let them do it. Why put yourself in risk you don’t need to.

 

Why are my skis still pre-releasing? There set at like 16 and I weigh 150lbs !!!??????

A lot of people crank up their dins because there skis keep coming off when in reality, there forward pressures set wrong which just increases knee injury as you need so much force to get the ski off in slower crashes. Bottom line: Go to a store to have it checked out.

 

 I know i haven't covered everything or listed all the binding so feel free to ad. We could maybe make it some kind of binding database.

-Dave

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Sick Thread man im 5'11' like 185 and i have marker griffons and their perfect i have had no problems with only having a 12 din binging i use to have a 10 din binding and they sucked i would pop out all the time for no reason Marker bindings are awesome
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Quick Question

Is there anything wrong with remounting a binding after its been used for 2 years on another ski?
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Quoting nstubler$ from Jul 20 2011 6:19:00:
Is there anything wrong with remounting a binding after its been used for 2 years on another ski?
Nope, i've been using the same bindings on various skis for like 5 years. As long as they are not damaged or thrashed you should be good to go.
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Quoting nstubler$ from Jul 20 2011 6:19:00:
Quick QuestionIs there anything wrong with remounting a binding after its been used for 2 years on another ski?
If you're worried, you can get the binding checked at a ski shop. They often have a machine that tests if the spring in the binding is releasing at the correct weight (in Europe it's called a BFU test, that might be the global word). It'll cost you though.

But 2 years sounds fine. Even if it's been set near the max for that whole time, I don't imagine the spring will be worn yet.
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I'm 5'11, 140 pounds. Should I go with the Squires, or the Look Px12s? Or are there any other bindings in the sub $150 range?
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Quoting Dustin.Ultimate Bling! from Sep 10 2009 4:22:54:
Also think it's funny when people make such a big deal on the weight of the bindings.  A third of a pound is BABY SHIT.  If you can notice that, then you must be able to feel a bee fart too.  Don't kid yourself.
Don't necessarily agree on this one. Although a third of a pound seems like nothing, you can definitely feel the difference especially on rails with a heavy metal binding vs. a light plastic lower din binding. Think about something like cleats. Companies spend tons of money to develop something like the adi zero, where its only a little bit lighter than most cleats out there, but you can really feel the difference when you try them on and run around. The same goes with ski boots like full tilt.
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such a dope guide +k

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is there a big difference between the head mojo 12 bindings and the mojo 11 bindings? if so what is it?
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Quoting Ian.D$ from Aug 13 2011 2:10:48:
Don't necessarily agree on this one. Although a third of a pound seems like nothing, you can definitely feel the difference especially on rails with a heavy metal binding vs. a light plastic lower din binding. Think about something like cleats. Companies spend tons of money to develop something like the adi zero, where its only a little bit lighter than most cleats out there, but you can really feel the difference when you try them on and run around. The same goes with ski boots like full tilt.
yep. i put on my friends adizeros and was like lolwut? they're so light. same goes for the skates i have (carbon 2's) they really light, i love it.
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/threads.
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So rather than make a thread I figured I would just post in here.

I have 2010 ON3P Jeronimos and this is my first season back into skiing after snowboarding for 3 years. I'm 18, weigh 150lbs, and am gonna be riding maybe 60% park and 40% tree/powder runs.

I figure I only need a 12-Din binding but what does everyone like and recommend? Thanks for the help.
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Stupid question, but what the hell. So the bindings I'm currently looking at ordering say they are 90mm and I'm assuming that corresponds to the width of the brakes. Unfortunately my ski has a 101mm waist so those brakes wouldn't work. Is it possible for me to order new brakes and replace the 90mm ones?
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Nice thread
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Quoting akNoface$ from Sep 27 2011 2:31:21:
Stupid question, but what the hell. So the bindings I'm currently looking at ordering say they are 90mm and I'm assuming that corresponds to the width of the brakes. Unfortunately my ski has a 101mm waist so those brakes wouldn't work. Is it possible for me to order new brakes and replace the 90mm ones?
it depends on what ski and what binding it is. a lot of times the 90mm brake will work just fine without adjusting. wherever you get the mount will be able to make that brake work by a quick bend on them. no big deal at all.
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I'm a 130, 5 foot 8 and I'm level II ability. I have salomon sth 14... what should I use as din ?
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ive got some salomon 914s that i used to race back in the day, i only used them for one season. i was wondering if i should get some new bindings to mount on my Atomic patents or should i get a look/rossi
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I've got some Scott Punisher Jib 2011's and I'm looking to get some bindings, i was thinking of getting either marker squires 11 or marker Griffons, as they sell them at the local shop. I'm 145lbs, 5'8" and an intermediate, i plan on doing mainly freestyle, jumps and rails n stuff. I was wondering if anyone could recommend me either what din range bindings i should be looking for, and what i should set the din to, or B a specific set of bindings. Thanks!
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Quoting Magnus$ from Oct 13 2011 3:31:38:
I've got some Scott Punisher Jib 2011's and I'm looking to get some bindings, i was thinking of getting either marker squires 11 or marker Griffons, as they sell them at the local shop. I'm 145lbs, 5'8" and an intermediate, i plan on doing mainly freestyle, jumps and rails n stuff. I was wondering if anyone could recommend me either what din range bindings i should be looking for, and what i should set the din to, or B a specific set of bindings. Thanks!
I've got squires on my armada halos, they're #$%#in light!! i'm 6' 150 pounds and have them set at 9, they have only come off at the wrong time once, off the lip, still don't know how it happened. the griffons are a lot heavier and have a longer mounting area. hope this helps!
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im 6'2" 178 lbs on east coast.

i have some on3p jeffreys. i know i want fks/pivots. a friend told me 140, but should i go bigger. im an agressive skier but rarely pop out/fall on accident.  I dont do park either. all mtn/trees/pow/kickers

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5'10'' 135lbs., the skis i am thinking about getting are coming with fks 180s is to high for me? I don't know shit about bindings.
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where to mount? going to be putting dukes on my gotamas186(last years model) and am looking for input about where to mount. im 6'1, 175, 3 skier. moving out to the rockies and will be riding these offpiste frequently. i land/ski switch very frequently but thats here on the east. i doubt i will be skiing switch as much once i get into the big mountains however i still wanna have that option easily available. i am thinking about mounting at +1 or 2 (from the recommended line). thanks
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Quoting .guy from Oct 27 2011 8:50:41:
5'10'' 135lbs., the skis i am thinking about getting are coming with fks 180s is to high for me? I don't know shit about bindings.
way to high and just unnecessary. you could get a way with a 12 din
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Quoting J.M from Oct 30 2011 12:50:58:
way to high and just unnecessary. you could get a way with a 12 din
But if they're a sweet deal, don't let that stop you. A large profit can be made by reselling fks'
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Quoting .guy from Oct 27 2011 8:50:41:
5'10'' 135lbs., the skis i am thinking about getting are coming with fks 180s is to high for me? I don't know shit about bindings.

They start at 8, even that is probably too high for someone your size unless you're skiing like a machine and have some disregard for the health of your lower limbs.

You could flick them for some reasonable cash though and that would probably cover a set of FKS140/Pivot 14's which start at 5 (I think?) and are pretty sweet bindings, plus I'm 95% sure the mounting holes are the same between a 140 and a 180... as long as your BSL is similar to the old one.

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Ive been trying to learn about bindings but there is so much in-between on a lot of them for how people like them, the FKS for example.

i'm 5'9, 175lbs and pretty aggressive. i plan to do a bit of jib/cliffs/heavy pow (fatty ass ski) on one pair of skis and park/play around on the other.

not sure what bindings i should look at for each and if there are wider binding mounts for wider skis.
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Unworthy of thread question here-just want a little advice about bindings from a variety of sources. I recently won some bindings in a raffle-they are 4frnt deadbolts-dins from 5 to 15. I am 5'11" soon to be 6', about 155-160 lbs. I don't ski super aggressively-but I'm in the park constantly, decently big jumps rails that kinda stuff. I've been skiing for 5+ years and I'd say I am a type III skier. My question is whether I should mount these bindings on my new skis, or try to get some lower din bindings. I have been told my din is around 7 or so, but that's kinda close to the bottom limit on the bindings. I would like to avoid trying to sell these for other bindings-as I am not sure I could break even or not, plus it's much more work. Am I alright skiing on these bindings this year with din at around 7, maybe 8 when I am skiing harder in the bc when I go out west?
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Quoting rankstank from Nov 7 2011 8:16:29:
Unworthy of thread question here-just want a little advice about bindings from a variety of sources. I recently won some bindings in a raffle-they are 4frnt deadbolts-dins from 5 to 15. I am 5'11" soon to be 6', about 155-160 lbs. I don't ski super aggressively-but I'm in the park constantly, decently big jumps rails that kinda stuff. I've been skiing for 5+ years and I'd say I am a type III skier. My question is whether I should mount these bindings on my new skis, or try to get some lower din bindings. I have been told my din is around 7 or so, but that's kinda close to the bottom limit on the bindings. I would like to avoid trying to sell these for other bindings-as I am not sure I could break even or not, plus it's much more work. Am I alright skiing on these bindings this year with din at around 7, maybe 8 when I am skiing harder in the bc when I go out west?
They will be completely fine. Think how many people ski Griffons at 6 DIN, same deal, 2 above the minimum. Although I suspect you'll be moving up the DIN scale a little bit in the future, and those bindings will give you plenty of room to move.
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so today i had some afterbangs mounted with marker griffons. i think the shop where i had them mounted screwed up the forward pressure. does anyone know where it is located?
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It's the screw at the bottom at the very back of the heelpiece. It should be flush with the housing when it's correct. But if you don't think they're right, take them back to the place that mounted them and ask, before you go messing with it. In my opinion having the correct forward pressure is more important than the DIN... even a pretty high DIN will still come out in a big crash but having the forward pressure way out can either hugely increase or decrease the effective release force.
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Quoting marsh. from Nov 12 2011 9:37:45:
so today i had some afterbangs mounted with marker griffons. i think the shop where i had them mounted screwed up the forward pressure. does anyone know where it is located?
if your asking where it is, please don't screw around with it. (pardon the pun) What makes you think that they set it wrong? Just bring them back to the shop and ask to get the foreword pressure checked.
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^ i have drop kicks, and i cant even get the boot to click in unless i have it on. the shop is 2 hours away, and i needed to have them mounted that day. could they have just set the jig and not have even tried the it, or is it just the griffons???
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Quoting marsh. from Nov 13 2011 10:47:12:
^ i have drop kicks, and i cant even get the boot to click in unless i have it on. the shop is 2 hours away, and i needed to have them mounted that day. could they have just set the jig and not have even tried the it, or is it just the griffons???
if the bindings are brand new, then it is pretty hard to push it in without the boot on your foot. Note that im not the strongest kid but when my STH 14 came mounted i tried and could not push it in either.
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thanks for the help^
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So, it means it is depends on the age of your bindings?

I don't think so....




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okay this seemd like the right thread to post in. I dont know much about bindings so i was wondering if i should keep my salomon z10`s to throw onto my head cherry kiwis. im 6`0 and 176 lbs ( 80kg)  i mostly do park but love to go ride in groomers and some powder. Help me out please.
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Quoting nobs from Nov 23 2011 10:55:26:
okay this seemd like the right thread to post in. I dont know much about bindings so i was wondering if i should keep my salomon z10`s to throw onto my head cherry kiwis. im 6`0 and 176 lbs ( 80kg)  i mostly do park but love to go ride in groomers and some powder. Help me out please.
And what would be some good decent price bindings to throw on them if i should get new ones, since im a student money is a little tight but can make it work.
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Nov 27 2011
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looking for fellow nser's input and advice.. Im 5'10 and 150 pounds I have been skiing Thalls mounted with marker squires ( a christmas present from last year) I am still using these for park this year but i have purchased 175 jj's. I plan on skiing trees, pacific northwest "pow" groom, and dropping cliffs and some side booters with them, i ski aggressively and am a level III skier. I have always been on a marker binding but am open to others.
Any suggestions?
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Quoting MaMann from Nov 27 2011 11:11:44:
looking for fellow nser's input and advice.. Im 5'10 and 150 pounds I have been skiing Thalls mounted with marker squires ( a christmas present from last year) I am still using these for park this year but i have purchased 175 jj's. I plan on skiing trees, pacific northwest "pow" groom, and dropping cliffs and some side booters with them, i ski aggressively and am a level III skier. I have always been on a marker binding but am open to others. Any suggestions?
i dont think you need the Jester as it is a 16 din binding...just not worth the money when you wont be skiing at a super high din anyways. I cant stand the griffon because of all the plastic used in that binding. Would not reccomend that. I highly reccomend the FKS/Look Pivit 14's. really great binding, somewhat light, durable and no pre releases. Only problem is they can be a bitch to put back on in fresh snow. I would also check out the STH line with salomon. They come in the Driver toe which is the greatest toe ever made. For your JJ's I would say pick up a pair of STH 14. You wont regret it.
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Quoting stickerman$ from Nov 28 2011 8:21:50:
i dont think you need the Jester as it is a 16 din binding...just not worth the money when you wont be skiing at a super high din anyways. I cant stand the griffon because of all the plastic used in that binding. Would not reccomend that. I highly reccomend the FKS/Look Pivit 14's. really great binding, somewhat light, durable and no pre releases. Only problem is they can be a bitch to put back on in fresh snow. I would also check out the STH line with salomon. They come in the Driver toe which is the greatest toe ever made. For your JJ's I would say pick up a pair of STH 14. You wont regret it.
This the sth is a great binding and so is the look pivot line. I just put p18s on my jjs because one it's a metal binding and even though I don't need an 18din I like the metal and have always believed that metal is better then plastic. Plus they were cheaper the. The fks pivot 14 which is plastic. But I am a big fan of the pivot system and I dont think you can go wrong. Plus if your skiing pow you don't want your ski to come off unless it is necessary.
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very true thanks guys. yeah definitely looking into the STH i will give pivot a look, my friend skis them on his alphas, seem sort of heavy. Any thoughts on FKS? You're very right i don't want pre release.
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Quoting MaMann from Nov 30 2011 8:30:45:
very true thanks guys. yeah definitely looking into the STH i will give pivot a look, my friend skis them on his alphas, seem sort of heavy. Any thoughts on FKS? You're very right i don't want pre release.
which model fks?

the fks pivot model, which is the same as look only plastic, is more expensive then the look, which is dumb to me, most likely you do not need an 18 din binding, nor does anyone really. but i still cant beleave that that is the only metal binding in the pivot, which is ok because it has a ten din range, and i fit in there (I am a 10) you can get a general idea for your din on like din setting.com just google din chart and you will get it.

if your lazy im 5'11''-6' and 180 lbs. that doesnt include ski gear. and level 3, so you could get an idea if you are going to be above or below that.


if you need less then an 8 din then the p18's are out of the question and then you dont really have the need for a metal binding, and seeing that you are skiing on 175 jj's you are probably not that tall so, the fks pivot 14 should fit you well.


this doesnt rule out the sth though, the driver toe is very good, but that binding is super plasticy.
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Quoting .RYAN66$ from Nov 30 2011 9:38:21:
which model fks? the fks pivot model, which is the same as look only plastic, is more expensive then the look, which is dumb to me, most likely you do not need an 18 din binding, nor does anyone really. but i still cant beleave that that is the only metal binding in the pivot, which is ok because it has a ten din range, and i fit in there (I am a 10) you can get a general idea for your din on like din setting.com just google din chart and you will get it. if your lazy im 5'11''-6' and 180 lbs. that doesnt include ski gear. and level 3, so you could get an idea if you are going to be above or below that. if you need less then an 8 din then the p18's are out of the question and then you dont really have the need for a metal binding, and seeing that you are skiing on 175 jj's you are probably not that tall so, the fks pivot 14 should fit you well. this doesnt rule out the sth though, the driver toe is very good, but that binding is super plasticy.

What on EARTH are you talking about?

There is no "FKS Pivot"

The Rossignol FKS and the Look Pivot are IDENTICAL in each DIN range apart from the colour and the writing on the outside.

Rossignol sell the FKS140 (14 DIN, plastic) and the FKS180 (18 DIN, metal)

Look sell the Pivot 14 (14 DIN, plastic) and the Pivot 18 (18 DIN, metal, AKA P18)

They are absolutely 100% identical function-wise and everywhere I have seen prices them almost exactly the same. Sometimes it's $10 either way but I have never, ever, ever seen the 14 DIN FKS cost more than the 18 DIN Pivot.

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Quoting rozboon from Dec 4 2011 6:17:15:
They are absolutely 100% identical function-wise and everywhere I have seen prices them almost exactly the same. Sometimes it's $10 either way but I have never, ever, ever seen the 14 DIN FKS cost more than the 18 DIN Pivot.
i tried to say that, sorry i typed all of that on my phone and was to lazy to proof read.


but at colorado ski and golf the fks 140 was 389, and fks 180 was 399

i payed 329 for my look p 18's



plus if they were the same price chrome>orange, although the orange is pretty sexy as well.
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Quoting .RYAN66$ from Dec 4 2011 9:36:33:
i tried to say that, sorry i typed all of that on my phone and was to lazy to proof read. but at colorado ski and golf the fks 140 was 389, and fks 180 was 399 i payed 329 for my look p 18's plus if they were the same price chrome>orange, although the orange is pretty sexy as well.
Buzzy. $329 for P18s is a good score. The FKS140 I have seen as low as $279 I think. And for that, it's a pretty damn good binding.
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Hey Guys,

I've been having issues with my STH 12's recently. i can actually jump off the ground shifty and they will both blow off. ive taken em to stores the dins are 9.5 heel and toe. i weigh 155 and im 5'9. for the type of riding i do this is really dangerous because the last thing i need while switching up on a rail are my skiis coming off. i just dropped em off to get calibrated but do you guys have any advice. if i keep having problems i think i might buy sth 16s. how much better is the driver toepiece. unless you guys know any better bindings for 90% park use.

i used to have rossi axiom 100 race bindings and they lasted a full 12 years with no repairs. I want something with that kinda durabilty. though i doubt il find any. how else can companies make money if people arnt constantly replacing binding.
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Quoting bgrehan from Dec 5 2011 6:47:26:
Hey Guys, I've been having issues with my STH 12's recently. i can actually jump off the ground shifty and they will both blow off. ive taken em to stores the dins are 9.5 heel and toe. i weigh 155 and im 5'9. for the type of riding i do this is really dangerous because the last thing i need while switching up on a rail are my skiis coming off. i just dropped em off to get calibrated but do you guys have any advice. if i keep having problems i think i might buy sth 16s. how much better is the driver toepiece. unless you guys know any better bindings for 90% park use. i used to have rossi axiom 100 race bindings and they lasted a full 12 years with no repairs. I want something with that kinda durabilty. though i doubt il find any. how else can companies make money if people arnt constantly replacing binding.
it is def. your foreword pressure. Pretty much nobody for your weight needs to ride at a 9.5 din, especially when they pop off so easily. The shop you took them to will re adjust the foreword pressure. no big deal. Driver toepiece i find is just more durable and beefier. So until your STH 12 bindings break, then upgrade to the Driver toe. No need to do it right away when you have a perfectly good set of bindings.
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I hope your right. But I've had em adjusted before, this isn't a new problem. Guess il find out soon enough.
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Quoting bgrehan from Dec 5 2011 11:13:21:
I hope your right. But I've had em adjusted before, this isn't a new problem. Guess il find out soon enough.
if you have had them adjusted multiple times, then its time to get to a new shop and see what they think.... If a shop can't safely adjust dins and foreword pressure it is not a very good shop.
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got a call from the shop today. Turns out my toe-pieces are bust. They set em to a din of 12 and tested them. They still prerelease for someone of my weight whos dins should be at 8. I bought these bindings 2 years ago does anyone know how Salomon is about warrentying stuff. I'm really irritated because my exams end on the 14th and i was hoping to ski just about everyday + im a ski instructor so no skis=no job.
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K so im going to buy a new pair of bindings but im torn between STH 14's and STH 16's. Din charts say that for a type 3 (W/e that means nowadays) skier of my weight (155), height (5"9), and sole length (25.5) that i should have my dins set at 8.5. Historically i have always ridden with higher dins but i do not know the reliability of my previous bindings because I thrashed them.

would i be safe going with the STH 16's? the dins start at 9 which is not ideal but i want something that will last under lots of heavy impacts. whats the durability difference between the STH 14s and 16s?

I ride 90-95% park more specifically drops to flat, urban "style" rails, and just Jibs in general. For jumps i normally hit 30-40ft but there are occasions where i have access to larger. Also i generally ride at night so its icier and i need something that can take the increased impact from that. Price is not an issue.

Does anyone know if the mounting holes are the same between the STH 12 toepiece and the 14/16 driver toepiece.
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