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Subject: Official Ski/Binding Maintenance Thread

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Apr 21 2009
10:27:06PM

As all of us know, it is very important to know how to use/maintain your ski equipment, so my hope for this thread is to have everyone post videos or picture tutorials on how to do various forms of ski maintenance, whether it's adjusting bindings, waxing skis, dulling edges, anything, but just so you know where to look when you have basic questions about this sort of thing

I'll put 2 videos in the OP:

How to Take Apart/Bend FKS

by me

FKS from Alex Berner on Vimeo.

How to Wax Your Skis

by mrstskier

How to Wax skis from Thomas O'Connell on Vimeo.

Next up just a few tips:

When you get home from skiing you should do 3 things:

1. take your skis inside and leave them there

2. wipe your bases and edges with a cloth or rag

3. pull your skis apart and lean them against a wall with the bases sticking up

Now it's your turn, post tips, stories, tutorials, anything relating to ski maintenance because it can greatly increase the life and performance of your gear

**DISCLAIMER**

A LOT OF THESE THINGS REQUIRE BASIC SHOP SKILL, PROPER TOOLS, AND EXPERIENCE. DO EVERYTHING AT YOUR OWN RISK AND MAKE SURE YOU ARE ABLE TO EXECUTE ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT PROCESSES. THINK TWICE BEFORE YOU RISK THE LIFE OF YOUR GEAR AND MAKE SURE YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING

This goes for advice giving as well, make sure you possess knowledge of the subject you're providing advice for because it can jeopardize people's safety if you give them false tips. So either make sure you know what you're saying or put in your post that you're just kinda guessing

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Jun 19 2010
10:56:31PM

Quoting omIV$ from Jun 19 2010 8:15:53:
you definitely don't want to put new bindings into old holes. they'd be much more likely to pull out. The issue with drilling skis too many times really comes down to proximity of drill holes. if the previous owners boot size was much larger or smaller than yours, the first two set of drill holes are probably nowhere near where you'll put new ones. but this should absolutely be the last time you put bindings on the ski, as the core/structure can really be comprised by all those holes, even if you plug them.

I know several shop techs that would argue your first point. new bindings into old holes is fine as long as the screws come out without damaging the core. But to the OP, I've heard from every tech that I have talked to that 4 mounts is fine as long as every hole is at least 1/8th of an inch away from another. Also, DO NOT DRIP P-TEX INTO THE SCREW HOLES. It makes a terrible seal and usually fails at keeping water out of the core. Get some plastic plugs or plug the holes using a golf tee and wood glue. It helps the structure of the core as well as keeping water out better.

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Jun 21 2010
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thanks to both you guys. definitely helped.

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Jul 10 2010
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This sounds minor and pedantic but a sharp and quality scraper will make your waxing life much easier.

after slumming it with some dakine scraper not knowing any different when i switch to a nice new swix one it was a dream. so yea keep 'em sharp and get a good one to start with.

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Jul 10 2010
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Quoting Oreos$ from Jul 10 2010 1:54:42:
This sounds minor and pedantic but a sharp and quality scraper will make your waxing life much easier. after slumming it with some dakine scraper not knowing any different when i switch to a nice new swix one it was a dream. so yea keep 'em sharp and get a good one to start with.

http://www.toko.ch/en/productDetail/411000430_v_9999/Scraper+Sharpener.html

i have 3 of these, everyone should buy one, so worth it, use it every time before you scrape and your scraper is super sharp and pulls up all the wax with little force

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Jul 13 2010
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Quoting omIV$ from May 21 2010 11:01:02:
Swix mkes a Base Prep wax. Buy a 60g pack: http://www.reliableracing.com/detail.cfm?edp=10620870 (this is pretty much the best price out there).

The first wax application, your base is going to suck up the wax pretty much instantly. This will be visible; the darker-colored pools of wax will dry up quickly. Keep dripping on and ironing in wax until this stops. then wait for the wax to solidify (~20-30 min), and then scrape it and brush it out vigorously for about 5 minutes. Then wax again, same process as above, except the wax won't get sucked in as much. Then scrape & brush. Repeat until the base no longer sucks in the wax; your last application will just leave a layer of wax above the scraped/brushed base surfaced. Scrape/brush once more (devote a solid 10 minutes to this brushing, and then use a fiberline sheet or paper towel to wipe off any dirt), and let your skis set overnight. The next day, apply base prep once more, and then hot-scrape it (scrape while the wax is still liquid), and let it dry. Scrape, brush, and wait a half hour. Your bases are now ready to accept regular wax, so check your ski forecast and get-er-done!

Hmm could I do this, but instead of using Base prep wax, just use normal waxes? And if I were to just use normal waxes, how should I go about it? 2 applications of each different coloured wax? And should I go from cold to warm wax, or cold to warm? Finally, should I even use normal wax, or is base prep wax really that much better?

Oh and one more thing... A local bootfitter told me I should pull my liner out of my boot everytime I'm done skiing to let them dry. Is that really a good idea?

Thanks!

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Jul 13 2010
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Quoting bustinthejus$ from Jul 13 2010 2:18:50:
Hmm could I do this, but instead of using Base prep wax, just use normal waxes? And if I were to just use normal waxes, how should I go about it? 2 applications of each different coloured wax? And should I go from cold to warm wax, or cold to warm? Finally, should I even use normal wax, or is base prep wax really that much better?

Oh and one more thing... A local bootfitter told me I should pull my liner out of my boot everytime I'm done skiing to let them dry. Is that really a good idea?

Thanks!

fuck waxing bases i got team managers now!!

but yea i'd like to know about base prep since i just got a new pair of planks.

about the boots i take my liners out frequently, since i have translucent shells i can see the condensation on the inside of my boot, and trust me it can mount up. it is a hassle but so is putting your feet into damp boots. obviously if you have the luxury of having a boot drier i don't see the need to do this unless you're scared of deforming you heat moulded liners. oh and remember to buckle your boots up when not using them.

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Jul 13 2010
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Hmm alright thanks. So I guess I should just take my liners out, hang 'em somewhere, and keep my shell buckled up?

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everyone here has like 10,000 posts? WASSUP WITH THAT?

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Jul 15 2010
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Quoting Emma_Watson from Jul 14 2010 11:36:11:
everyone here has like 10,000 posts? WASSUP WITH THAT?

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Jul 20 2010
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When you say have the bases sticking out, are you meaning the bindings are facing towards the wall they are standing against?

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Aug 21 2010
11:56:40AM

Quoting Balto

from Jul 10 2010 4:32:18:
http://www.toko.ch/en/productDetail/411000430_v_9999/Scraper+Sharpener.html

i have 3 of these, everyone should buy one, so worth it, use it every time before you scrape and your scraper is super sharp and pulls up all the wax with little force

I got one too there magical

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Aug 28 2010
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Quoting Balto

from Oct 15 2009 2:39:37:
pretty much, once my great scotts arive ill do another video on prepping new skis but till that happens, wax wax wax!

So when is that video coming out?

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Aug 28 2010
6:36:04PM

Quoting p-oskier from Aug 28 2010 1:17:40:
So when is that video coming out?

haha ill do it when I get my viciks in a month

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Sep 6 2010
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Quoting Balto

from Aug 28 2010 6:36:04:
haha ill do it when I get my viciks in a month

im gonna quote you on that so I remember this... A video on prepping new skis would definitely be helpful haha.

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Sep 9 2010
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Hey guys, another wax question. I live in Minnesota as you may already know and I got new Line Afterbangs that are pre-waxed.

I have an iron and pink wax but I'm currently out of the white wax. Now I was told to first use the pink first, scrape it, off the whole nine yards, and then do the same with the white. Is this correct? Help will be appreciated!

And sorry if this has been discussed in this thread, way too much to read for just one question.

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Sep 9 2010
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Quoting MN_Nice$ from Sep 9 2010 4:51:54:
Hey guys, another wax question. I live in Minnesota as you may already know and I got new Line Afterbangs that are pre-waxed.

I have an iron and pink wax but I'm currently out of the white wax. Now I was told to first use the pink first, scrape it, off the whole nine yards, and then do the same with the white. Is this correct? Help will be appreciated!

And sorry if this has been discussed in this thread, way too much to read for just one question.

What does the packaging say (wax brand and number)?

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Sep 9 2010
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Quoting omIV$ from Sep 9 2010 4:53:47:
What does the packaging say (wax brand and number)?

It's Swix Base Prep formula. The number is BP88

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Sep 9 2010
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Quoting MN_Nice$ from Sep 9 2010 4:56:05:
It's Swix Base Prep formula. The number is BP88

you can start with the base prep, wax and scrape a few times

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Sep 10 2010
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Quoting omIV$ from Sep 9 2010 6:24:05:
you can start with the base prep, wax and scrape a few times

So does this mean I use the base prep, scrape it off, use white wax, scrape it off?

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Sep 10 2010
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Quoting MN_Nice$ from Sep 10 2010 12:28:12:
So does this mean I use the base prep, scrape it off, use white wax, scrape it off?

it means use base prep, scrape it, use base prep, scrape it, use base prep, scrape it, and then for good measure use base prep and scrape it again. then use the white stuff, except now you let it harden and then you scrape it and brush it

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Sep 10 2010
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Quoting omIV$ from Sep 10 2010 12:32:11:
it means use base prep, scrape it, use base prep, scrape it, use base prep, scrape it, and then for good measure use base prep and scrape it again. then use the white stuff, except now you let it harden and then you scrape it and brush it

Haha sweet. Thanks a lot!

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Sep 12 2010
11:42:18AM

base prep doesnt do shit its a waste of money

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Sep 12 2010
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Quoting Balto

from Sep 12 2010 11:42:18:
base prep doesnt do shit its a waste of money

So i should just wax with any leftover wax?

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Sep 12 2010
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Quoting Balto

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base prep doesnt do shit its a waste of money

I would tend to disagree with you. you have to use something to make your bases receptor to wax, and base prep is cheap and well formulated for the purpose. It's also a good travel wax, although I suspect most NSers aren't going to take it that far

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Sep 12 2010
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Quoting omIV$ from Sep 12 2010 12:17:11:
I would tend to disagree with you. you have to use something to make your bases receptor to wax, and base prep is cheap and well formulated for the purpose. It's also a good travel wax, although I suspect most NSers aren't going to take it that far

in my 10 years of waxing I have never once needed base prep, and have been told by countless race coaches that it is pointless. the base isnt going to not take the wax if it is ground properly(which every name brand ski should be), and like ive said before in this thread, start with a warm weather wax as your base on new skis and you will be set

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Sep 12 2010
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Quoting Balto

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and like ive said before in this thread, start with a warm weather wax as your base on new skis and you will be set

As in the white wax?

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Sep 13 2010
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Quoting MN_Nice$ from Sep 12 2010 11:55:26:
As in the white wax?

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Sep 13 2010
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Quoting MN_Nice$ from Sep 12 2010 11:55:26:
As in the white wax?

white wax and or universal wax is shitty and a waste of money, buy a legit temp specific wax, it will work much better

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Sep 14 2010
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universal wax is fine if you aren't racing. i use toko uni wax for all of my skis except my race skis. racing you really need color specific wax

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Sep 26 2010
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Has anyone ever burnt there bases before from waxing? This is always a huge paranoia for me when I am waxing. I'm guessing the wax would start to smoke like crazy before the base burns right?

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Sep 30 2010
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Quoting joshua from Sep 26 2010 8:29:56:
Has anyone ever burnt there bases before from waxing? This is always a huge paranoia for me when I am waxing. I'm guessing the wax would start to smoke like crazy before the base burns right?

Yeah if the iron is too hot, and youre too slow, its super easy to scorch em

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Oct 4 2010
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Thanks to everybody that helped out and gave input in the thread. Just read the whole thing and it taught me a lot.

Quick question though, I want to start waxing my skis much more often, and is there any sort of kit that I can get that will have everything I need inside of it to start off or do I have to buy a bunch of different things separately? I'm getting my Jmos soon and I want to wax it myself several times before the season rather than the one time that I usually do.

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Oct 5 2010
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Quoting Shaham$ from Oct 4 2010 8:28:25:
Thanks to everybody that helped out and gave input in the thread. Just read the whole thing and it taught me a lot.
Quick question though, I want to start waxing my skis much more often, and is there any sort of kit that I can get that will have everything I need inside of it to start off or do I have to buy a bunch of different things separately? I'm getting my Jmos soon and I want to wax it myself several times before the season rather than the one time that I usually do.

http://www.backcountry.com/swix-alpine-glide-wax-kit

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Oct 5 2010
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Quoting Balto

from Oct 5 2010 1:02:49:
http://www.backcountry.com/swix-alpine-glide-wax-kit

That doesn't seem like a whole lot, would there be anything else I would need?

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Oct 5 2010
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Quoting Shaham$ from Oct 5 2010 3:09:15:
That doesn't seem like a whole lot, would there be anything else I would need?

I would get a blue brush and a toko scraper sharpener too.

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Oct 5 2010
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Quoting Shaham$ from Oct 5 2010 3:09:15:
That doesn't seem like a whole lot, would there be anything else I would need?

vices and thats all you really need, from there you can start to expand your gear, like I just got the new raceworks in today, and there is alot of new gear coming out this season that will be very useful, but only to those of us that pride our selfs on our waxing

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Oct 6 2010
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Quoting Balto

from Oct 5 2010 7:40:01:
vices and thats all you really need, from there you can start to expand your gear, like I just got the new raceworks in today, and there is alot of new gear coming out this season that will be very useful, but only to those of us that pride our selfs on our waxing

Alright, thanks for the help man.

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Oct 6 2010
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So I was scraping the wax of my new skis today, and on one ski there was base hairies. These are brand new skis, never been on snow. Anyone know what caused this? Will a stone grind fix it?

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Oct 9 2010
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I would get a blue brush and a toko scraper sharpener too.

Didn't see this comment before. Can't remember if this was answered in the thread already, but what is the point in having a blue brush and a white brush? Also, I saw a bronze brush on Backcountry also, what's the difference between that and the blue and white brushes? It said it was an all-round brush but I don't think it was made with nylon like the other ones.

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Oct 9 2010
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Quoting Shaham$ from Oct 9 2010 12:31:38:
Didn't see this comment before. Can't remember if this was answered in the thread already, but what is the point in having a blue brush and a white brush? Also, I saw a bronze brush on Backcountry also, what's the difference between that and the blue and white brushes? It said it was an all-round brush but I don't think it was made with nylon like the other ones.

blue nylon is a stiffer brush, i use it much more then any of my whites, as the white is more of a finishing touch brush. a bronze brush is used mostly when cleaning/preping new skis. It gets old wax and dirt out of the base fantastically.

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Oct 9 2010
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Quoting Balto

from Oct 9 2010 4:49:50:
blue nylon is a stiffer brush, i use it much more then any of my whites, as the white is more of a finishing touch brush. a bronze brush is used mostly when cleaning/preping new skis. It gets old wax and dirt out of the base fantastically.

That helps a lot, thanks.

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Oct 9 2010
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should i buy cold/warm temp wax or just all temperature wax? does it really make that much of a difference?

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Oct 9 2010
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Quoting natty. from Oct 9 2010 11:15:01:
should i buy cold/warm temp wax or just all temperature wax? does it really make that much of a difference?

cold and warm, yes it does

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Oct 9 2010
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Quoting Balto

from Oct 9 2010 11:20:46:
cold and warm, yes it does

thank you.

swix?

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Oct 10 2010
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Quoting natty. from Oct 9 2010 11:22:08:
thank you. swix?

swix waxes and brushes, toko irons, beast/svst tuning tools

the only brands worth buying^

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http://www.dakine.com/ski/accessories/tuning/adjustable-tuning-iron/

which of these should i get? im a beginner (obviously) when it comes to waxing so which would work best for me?

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Oct 10 2010
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toko ftw

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Oct 10 2010
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So i have a list here of all the things i need for waxing. are these all good choices? I already have bench and vises. heres my list so far:

-toko iron

-swix CH waxes (all colors except for green)

-swix nylon and horsehair brushes

-swix plastic and metal scraper

-dakine pocket stone

am i missing anything?

and where do i get the little cloth pads that i wipe my base down with after i detune my edges? what is that called?

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Oct 11 2010
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Quoting natty. from Oct 10 2010 6:25:34:
So i have a list here of all the things i need for waxing. are these all good choices? I already have bench and vises. heres my list so far:-toko iron-swix CH waxes (all colors except for green)-swix nylon and horsehair brushes-swix plastic and metal scraper-dakine pocket stoneam i missing anything?and where do i get the little cloth pads that i wipe my base down with after i detune my edges? what is that called?

You might want to get a cork.

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Oct 11 2010
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Quoting joshua from Oct 11 2010 7:57:28:
You might want to get a cork.

a cork is only used for rub in waxes like f4

Remember when skiing was about the skiing and not the money? Thanks for ruining that people.

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