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Subject: Official Ski/Binding Maintenance Thread

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Apr 21 2009
10:27:06PM

As all of us know, it is very important to know how to use/maintain your ski equipment, so my hope for this thread is to have everyone post videos or picture tutorials on how to do various forms of ski maintenance, whether it's adjusting bindings, waxing skis, dulling edges, anything, but just so you know where to look when you have basic questions about this sort of thing

I'll put 2 videos in the OP:

How to Take Apart/Bend FKS

by me

FKS from Alex Berner on Vimeo.

How to Wax Your Skis

by mrstskier

How to Wax skis from Thomas O'Connell on Vimeo.

Next up just a few tips:

When you get home from skiing you should do 3 things:

1. take your skis inside and leave them there

2. wipe your bases and edges with a cloth or rag

3. pull your skis apart and lean them against a wall with the bases sticking up

Now it's your turn, post tips, stories, tutorials, anything relating to ski maintenance because it can greatly increase the life and performance of your gear

**DISCLAIMER**

A LOT OF THESE THINGS REQUIRE BASIC SHOP SKILL, PROPER TOOLS, AND EXPERIENCE. DO EVERYTHING AT YOUR OWN RISK AND MAKE SURE YOU ARE ABLE TO EXECUTE ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT PROCESSES. THINK TWICE BEFORE YOU RISK THE LIFE OF YOUR GEAR AND MAKE SURE YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING

This goes for advice giving as well, make sure you possess knowledge of the subject you're providing advice for because it can jeopardize people's safety if you give them false tips. So either make sure you know what you're saying or put in your post that you're just kinda guessing

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Jan 2 2011
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i am very different now than i was in that video. lolweird

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Jan 4 2011
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to be honest, I usually don't scrape it, I just ski it off, it comes off pretty easy..
is that a problem?

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Jan 4 2011
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Quoting salomonskiier12$ from Jan 4 2011 10:04:56:
to be honest, I usually don't scrape it, I just ski it off, it comes off pretty easy..
is that a problem?

yes

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Jan 5 2011
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Quoting no_steeze

from Jan 2 2011 10:38:11:
i am very different now than i was in that video. lolweird

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Jan 8 2011
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Should I trust this wax?

http://www.amazon.com/Glide-Snow-Riding-Hot-Wax/dp/B002EZV01W/ref=pd_sbs_sg_2

I'm not competing or anything, so no, I'm not going to spend 60 bucks on wax.

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Jan 11 2011
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Hey, just wanted to get some input on whether or not my skis are seriously railed/if it will really get in the way of jibs... Thanks +K for good answers

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Jan 11 2011
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Quoting phelps from Jan 11 2011 1:20:09:
Hey, just wanted to get some input on whether or not my skis are seriously railed/if it will really get in the way of jibs... Thanks +K for good answers

whats wrong with them? they will be fine.

you can grind or slide anything on toothpicks if you wanted too, it does not matter

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Jan 14 2011
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does any one know the weight of rossignol freeski100 l bindings?

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Jan 16 2011
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Honestly this thread is really long and i dont want to sift through the whole thing.

I have a couple questions.

1- Whats a good cheap all temperature wax for me to use? I dont need anything fancy, just something that will protect my bases and work for multiple temperatures/ snow conditions.

2- Ive had my invaders for 2 and a half seasons. Im going to be brutally honest ive only waxed them about 3 times. I never realised the importance of it. Is it too late for my bases? Im planning on purchasing and iron and stuff. SHould i even bother with these or just wait until i buy new skis to really take car of them.

3- Is it worth it to get a cheap tuning kit? like the dakine one. Or is it more worth it to buy some wax, a 2 in 1 brush and an iron seperate.

4-If im too cheap to get two brushes, and i have to choose one. What brush should i get? Bronze or soft nylon.

Thanks alot!

Also if anyone has old tuning gear theyd like to sell, give me a shout!

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Jan 17 2011
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1. I use Dominator all-temp, I find it works well. You really can't go wrong with Swix or Toko though.

2. Wax them, wax them, wax them! Saturate the bases. They won't be as good as new bases properly maintained, but the sure as hell will be better than they are now.

3. Dakine irons are just rebranded swix irons, I have one, they work pretty nice. Price out an iron, wax and a brush separately and as a kit. Go to local shops, support them if you can, even if its a little bit more than online.

4. Get bronze, that is all you really need unless you are racing.

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Jan 20 2011
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So i landed front seat on a 180 yesterday with my rossignol world cup bindings (fks) and i ejected ( honestly probably the 4th time ive ever ejected with these bindings ) and when i went to get my ski my break wouldnt lift completely when i clicked my binding in. It wouldnt lift past the bottom of the ski.

I took it all apart and realized the break had bent forward when i landed front seat.

To fix this can i just stick them in a vice and bend them back?

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Jan 22 2011
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Be happy they didn't rip off. Only thing you can do is throw them in a vice, grab a pipe and bend them back, and hope they don't break. If they break, then they can't brake. Bad pun. Had to.

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Jan 23 2011
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Quoting Canuker$ from Jan 16 2011 11:34:25:
Honestly this thread is really long and i dont want to sift through the whole thing.
I have a couple questions.
1- Whats a good cheap all temperature wax for me to use? I dont need anything fancy, just something that will protect my bases and work for multiple temperatures/ snow conditions.
2- Ive had my invaders for 2 and a half seasons. Im going to be brutally honest ive only waxed them about 3 times. I never realised the importance of it. Is it too late for my bases? Im planning on purchasing and iron and stuff. SHould i even bother with these or just wait until i buy new skis to really take car of them.
3- Is it worth it to get a cheap tuning kit? like the dakine one. Or is it more worth it to buy some wax, a 2 in 1 brush and an iron seperate.
4-If im too cheap to get two brushes, and i have to choose one. What brush should i get? Bronze or soft nylon.

Thanks alot!
Also if anyone has old tuning gear theyd like to sell, give me a shout!

1. I really like Holmenkol's beta red. Its awesome for our everyday conditions in ottawa. Its ment for -4C to -14C (snow temp), and old or coarse (manmade) snow. I think its about $20 for a decent amount.

2. HOT SCRAPE!!!!!

Steps to clean your bases:
1. Brass brush
2. Fiber Tex (smooths out all the base fibres that the brass brush picked up)
3. Wax with a warm really soft wax (yellow)
4. Scrape right after you wax
5. Brush with a softer brush (horse hair, nylon)

The point of a hot scrape is too clean out your bases. Don't use base cleaner, its chemicals and its not great for your base.

Thomas has a great vid on how to hot scrape, skip to about 9:30: http://vimeo.com/17832964

3. Depends on your budget, whats in the kit your looking at.

4. Get a swix mini brass brush (its like $20 at T&L) compared to $40-50 for a full sized one. Use this and some fibre tex before you how wax. Then get a nylon or horse hair brush for after you scrape (about $20 for one). Both are really good and almost neccesary to have. If you really can only afford one, get the brass brush and some fibre tex. All the leftover unabsorbed wax will come off after a couple runs if you don't brush with a nylon brush.

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Jan 23 2011
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Quoting photodouche69 from Jan 23 2011 1:58:12:
3. Depends on your budget, whats in the kit your looking at

http://www.skichalet.com/Dakine_Super_Tune_Kit_p/3466054010700.htm

looks pretty legit to me

but yea ill most likely buy from t and l

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Feb 8 2011
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Feb 11 2011
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Yesterday coming out of a box, my ski came off and rolled under me. The plastic part that covers the brake broke completely off. I can still get my foot in, but the brakes don't come down if my ski comes off. Can this be fixed? do I need a new binding? does rossignol's warranty cover this?

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Feb 11 2011
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Quoting tranny_slammer from Feb 11 2011 6:44:51:

take it to your shop. it happened to my ski a couple years ago and they just replaced th plastic piece

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Feb 12 2011
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Quoting TPC$ from Feb 11 2011 11:29:45:
take it to your shop. it happened to my ski a couple years ago and they just replaced th plastic piece

Was it pretty cheap to fix?

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Feb 12 2011
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Quoting TPC$ from Feb 11 2011 11:29:45:
take it to your shop. it happened to my ski a couple years ago and they just replaced th plastic piece

Was it pretty cheap to fix?

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Feb 13 2011
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This is going to sound dumb but i would appreciate some answers (+k)My skis are 114-75-103 and i got them mounted "center" at one of my local shops last year and it doesn't look dead center,does anyone know why?is it because of the shape of my ski?

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Feb 13 2011
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Quoting sskier from Feb 13 2011 4:37:39:
This is going to sound dumb but i would appreciate some answers (+k)My skis are 114-75-103 and i got them mounted "center" at one of my local shops last year and it doesn't look dead center,does anyone know why?is it because of the shape of my ski?

They probably mounted core center.

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Feb 13 2011
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Quoting Shaham$ from Feb 13 2011 5:36:32:
They probably mounted core center.

could you explain what core center is?

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Feb 13 2011
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Quoting sskier from Feb 13 2011 7:38:27:
could you explain what core center is?

It's where the core is the least wide, and since your ski is asymettrical, core center is not going to be the direct center between the tip and the tail.

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Feb 13 2011
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Quoting Shaham$ from Feb 13 2011 8:07:44:
It's where the core is the least wide, and since your ski is asymettrical, core center is not going to be the direct center between the tip and the tail.

okay thanks :D

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Feb 18 2011
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Quoting phelps from Jan 11 2011 1:20:09:
Hey, just wanted to get some input on whether or not my skis are seriously railed/if it will really get in the way of jibs... Thanks +K for good answers

Yeah your skis are railed, but they aren't ruined. You can take them to the shop tell them whats wrong and they should be able to stone grind them down. but if your just sliding rails it probably won't make a difference. it really matters when it comes it going fast and maintaining control, you won't haha.

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Feb 18 2011
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i would think that would screw you over when jibbing,no?

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Feb 22 2011
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Feb 24 2011
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Feb 24 2011
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How do I know if my bases are burned?

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Feb 25 2011
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Quoting .cam. from Feb 24 2011 7:55:15:
How do I know if my bases are burned?

this and also how hot should i have my iron, just hot enough to melt or what?

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Feb 25 2011
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Quoting Kayess from Feb 25 2011 8:24:50:
this and also how hot should i have my iron, just hot enough to melt or what?

As hot as the iron should be when you're melting the wax.

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Quoting Kayess from Feb 25 2011 8:24:50:
this and also how hot should i have my iron, just hot enough to melt or what?

There should be an iron temp on the wax box...but a good rule for when you're starting out is if the wax is giving off smoke on the iron, turn it down until it isn't, and if the wax doesn't melt, turn it up. You get the hang of it pretty fast.

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Mar 6 2011
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Quoting sskier from Jan 14 2011 8:54:30:
does any one know the weight of rossignol freeski100 l bindings?

They are 2,320 grams

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Mar 15 2011
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Quick question. I pretty much have all the essentials needed in a waxing/tuning kid minus the wax. Currently I have odds and ends of left over swix wax from when my sisters raced. I have very little left of the swix universal pink wax aswell as the blue and red ones. What types of waxes would you guys reccomend to start rebuilding my collection of wax? Its currently spring time here in utah which means most of the days are going to be slush filled park laps with a few pow days if that helps......

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Mar 15 2011
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Quoting tranny_slammer from Mar 6 2011 10:43:37:
They are 2,320 grams

thanks

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Mar 15 2011
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Quoting Theron. from Mar 15 2011 2:45:08:
Quick question. I pretty much have all the essentials needed in a waxing/tuning kid minus the wax. Currently I have odds and ends of left over swix wax from when my sisters raced. I have very little left of the swix universal pink wax aswell as the blue and red ones. What types of waxes would you guys reccomend to start rebuilding my collection of wax? Its currently spring time here in utah which means most of the days are going to be slush filled park laps with a few pow days if that helps......

Do you want temp specific wax?

If so i would pick up some red and yellow Ch wax.

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Mar 15 2011
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Quoting Mr_pretzel

from Mar 15 2011 12:48:19:
Do you want temp specific wax?

If so i would pick up some red and yellow Ch wax.

Yeah preferrably. Might need some warmer snow condition wax for the rest of the season, though.

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Mar 15 2011
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Quoting Theron. from Mar 15 2011 1:18:51:
Yeah preferrably. Might need some warmer snow condition wax for the rest of the season, though.

Yellow is the hottest.
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Mar 20 2011
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Pretty sure this hasn't been answered yet and it's sort of a stupid question but, does detuning affect your carving at all since you're dulling the edges?

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Mar 20 2011
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Quoting Rossberger$ from Mar 20 2011 9:57:20:
Pretty sure this hasn't been answered yet and it's sort of a stupid question but, does detuning affect your carving at all since you're dulling the edges?

Yeah, it does.

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Mar 20 2011
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Yes. More specifically, detuning the tips and tails of your skis, especially to and a little past the contact point (I say its essential for any rockered ski having ridden a few that are improperly done), will make them hook up less and carve normally. Detuning underfoot, you're really only taking out 10-15% of your overall effective edge, it doesnt effect the ski that terribly... unless I suppose you're on a very small ski or on a ski thats got like no running length because of large rocker sections.

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Mar 20 2011
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Quoting Rowen$$ from Mar 20 2011 6:32:11:
Yes. More specifically, detuning the tips and tails of your skis, especially to and a little past the contact point (I say its essential for any rockered ski having ridden a few that are improperly done), will make them hook up less and carve normally. Detuning underfoot, you're really only taking out 10-15% of your overall effective edge, it doesnt effect the ski that terribly... unless I suppose you're on a very small ski or on a ski thats got like no running length because of large rocker sections.

Thanks a bunch, I think i'll avoid detuning as i care more about carving than rails.

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Mar 24 2011
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Get a pot and melt them all together, thats what i do and the world cup racers do. its the fastest wax known to man

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Apr 11 2011
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Without this, my FKS would be toast.

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Apr 11 2011
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Im thinking of getting a second pair of skis,what are some good skis for me im 5'7",140 pounds and i would like to ride some drops and free ride obstacles

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Apr 12 2011
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Quoting sskier from Apr 11 2011 9:49:31:
Im thinking of getting a second pair of skis,what are some good skis for me im 5'7",140 pounds and i would like to ride some drops and free ride obstacles

Wrong thread.

And you need to give more info.