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Subject: Answering to binding adjustment question: the memo
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Mar 4 2008
11:30:18PM

Ok I,ll make it short and clear: if you are not a certified shop tech or know exactly waht you are talking about, dont anser to any of the binding adjustment questions.

If you lead someone in the wrong direction, you may be responsible for screwing hisknees and maybe other parts of his body big time.

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Nov 18 2008
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Quoting huckaberry from Mar 15 2008 4:44:57:
then they could have the first ns court trail!
your honor, billys legs were torn entirely from his body after a member of NS suggested setting his DIN to 18.
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Quoting skithesprings$ from Nov 18 2008 10:07:45:
your honor, billys legs were torn entirely from his body after a member of NS suggested setting his DIN to 18.
the court suggests under a duty of care, that it was resonably forseeable for billy's legs to be removed due to an excessive DIN setting
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Nov 24 2008
5:15:06PM
This thread is a liability in of it's self and should be put to rest.
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Nov 26 2008
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Quoting quebecfreestyl…$ from Mar 5 2008 11:58:47:
true, some question are really stupid and easy to anser but some answers coming form some members are very stupid too
turn yo din to like 15 you be ok fo sho.
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Beetle_Kill
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Nov 30 2008
10:20:30PM
I wonder how many successful law suits have been filed against shops and binding manufactures for incorrect DIN adjustment? With all the other variables involved (conditions, speed, skiers honesty in stating weight, height, and ski level ,... and jumps ... I am sure that falls out side of the companies definition of "normal use") not to mention the obvious, that people jack their din the second they leave the shop.

I am just saying, it seems unlikely that a legit lawsuit would be settled based on the on-line recommendation of one interweb douche, and another douches willingness to follow said recommendation.

Besides, I have be tweaking my own din for 15 years  and have yet to have a serious issue. Lots of people tweek their din.

However, when it comes to mounting bindings ... please get it done professionally. I feel  that the only way should ever mount your bindings at home is if home is a ski shop.
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Quoting Beetle_Kill from Nov 30 2008 10:20:30:
I wonder how many successful law suits have been filed against shops and binding manufactures for incorrect DIN adjustment? With all the other variables involved (conditions, speed, skiers honesty in stating weight, height, and ski level ,... and jumps ... I am sure that falls out side of the companies definition of "normal use") not to mention the obvious, that people jack their din the second they leave the shop.

I am just saying, it seems unlikely that a legit lawsuit would be settled based on the on-line recommendation of one interweb douche, and another douches willingness to follow said recommendation.

Besides, I have be tweaking my own din for 15 years  and have yet to have a serious issue. Lots of people tweek their din.

However, when it comes to mounting bindings ... please get it done professionally. I feel  that the only way should ever mount your bindings at home is if home is a ski shop.
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Dec 27 2008
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just wondering i'm around 195 pounds and don't ski that aggressively what should be my din at?
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Dec 29 2008
7:48:33AM
Okay so I realize people won't (or shouldnt, anyway) give any advice on what my DIN should be at (as opposed to the person posting before me, sigh), but I was just wondering if you guys could give me some tips...

What events should I look for to tweak my DIN (put it higher or lower, depending on the situation)? Is it a certain style, a certain progression, ... ?
What tips can you give me to check if the DIN setting is more or less okay? How can I check for prerelease and what not ?
How to tell if my DIN is wrong?


Im looking for general guidelines here, so I figure my weight etc doesnt matter at this point. I'd start from what the shop tells me, and probably stick with that. Unless I have prerelease of course
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Dec 29 2008
1:30:28PM
Here:
http://www.dinsetting.com/


That'll give you your correct DIN if you put your info in.
Anything you tweak from there is your business...general rule is that if you feel like you're coming out early, or way to much when you shouldn't be, turn the DIN up in .5 increments until it stops, but ski it a few days each time before you change it again to make sure.
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seeing as most of the certified techs reply to this sticky..
im 5'11, 195 lbs, ski 98% park, type 3 skiier, dinsetting .com reccomends a din setting of 9.5, and if i put skiier type 3+ its an 11, im set at 8 right now and do find myself preleasing a lilttle bit..boot size 28.5 what should my DIN setting truly be at?
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Jan 3 2009
1:57:03PM
Quoting Love_Wins. from Dec 29 2008 1:30:28:
if you feel like you're coming out early, or way to much when you shouldn't be, turn the DIN up in .5 increments until it stops, but ski it a few days each time before you change it again to make sure.
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Quoting nwoody88 from Jan 2 2009 10:52:47:
seeing as most of the certified techs reply to this sticky..im 5'11, 195 lbs, ski 98% park, type 3 skiier, dinsetting .com reccomends a din setting of 9.5, and if i put skiier type 3+ its an 11, im set at 8 right now and do find myself preleasing a lilttle bit..boot size 28.5 what should my DIN setting truly be at?
Need the sole length of your boot, type of binding helps too.

For Salomon or Look/Rossi bindings, assuming your BSL is around 325mm (or between 311-330) then you should be set at 8.5 (@ type 3 skier code)
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Jan 14 2009
2:59:38PM
Quoting nomensteven$ from Sep 23 2008 11:44:02:
are you sure on the legalities of that? I am pretty sure that if you are not doing any binding work what so ever (just wax for example) that you aren't responsible for the safe release of the binding. Because most shops will wax/tune outdated technology but won't do binding work without the customer signing off. I am pretty sure there is a much bigger risk management issue with lowering the din without informing the customer then not touching it at all.
true. if i were to do any kind of binding adjustment on a ski that was in for  a tune, but not binding work, i would probably get fired
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Jan 16 2009
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Quoting Beetle_Kill from Nov 30 2008 10:20:30:
I am just saying, it seems unlikely that a legit lawsuit would be settled based on the on-line recommendation of one interweb douche, and another douches willingness to follow said recommendation.
The whole whole world dosnt revolve around lawsuits and $$$$

 
If you give incorrect information and people believe you, you should be feeling abd about it.
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Feb 20 2009
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Thats some true shit man
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Feb 22 2009
8:44:20PM
hey, i am 5'11'' 185lbs with a boot of 29.5     every time i do nose butters the back of my bindings comes up (bindings are marker 11.0) anyone got any ideas how to fix this?
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Feb 22 2009
10:54:02PM
Quoting MEGAZORDUltimate Bling! from Oct 19 2008 12:17:33:
If you are adjusting the binding for a boot that is 10mm longer, the bootcenter is still in the middle of the boot.  You are essentially adding 5mm to the toe length and 5mm to the heel,  thus adding 10 total.  So when you put it in the toepiece, its only moving back 5mm, the other 5 is compensated for by the heel sliding back on the track
You are correct, sir.
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Apr 30 2009
1:19:32AM
140 lbs, 5'8", BSL 282 DIN 11+

end claim
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Apr 30 2009
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Quoting chicken$ from Apr 30 2009 1:19:32:
140 lbs, 5'8", BSL 282 DIN 11+end claim
And that is a claim because???..

Make a thread claiming how cool an excessively high DIN is when you break your knee.
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Quoting Silence$$ from Apr 30 2009 4:48:42:
And that is a claim because???..

Make a thread claiming how cool an excessively high DIN is when you break your knee.
It is a claim because I am a fucking badass and I need a DIN that high to keep my skis on.


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^ Just use cement then..more reliable retention
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Quoting quebecfreestyl…$ from Jan 16 2009 4:48:50:
The whole whole world dosnt revolve around lawsuits and $$$$
no only the US does haha
Weezyblog shut the fuck up
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May 27 2009
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Quoting chicken$ from Apr 30 2009 1:19:32:
140 lbs, 5'8", BSL 282 DIN 11+end claim
You are exactly what is wrong with newschoolers these days.

Just do us all a favor, go ahead and set it to 18. If they make anything higer do that. like 100


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Quoting PaleCelery$ from May 27 2009 2:06:50:
You are exactly what is wrong with newschoolers these days.

Just do us all a favor, go ahead and set it to 18. If they make anything higer do that. like 100

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Jul 29 2009
6:34:46PM

i have a pair of k2 silencers and i want to remount the bingding from classic to center set and i have no idea how 2??

plz help

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Quoting wolfy from Jul 29 2009 6:34:46:
i have a pair of k2 silencers and i want to remount the bingding from classic to center set and i have no idea how 2??
plz help
Take them to a ski shop?
Learn to spell and use punctuation.
Learn to use the correct formula for asking questions (I'll give you a hint: it starts with finding a thread about mounting skis...you're on your own from there).
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Jul 29 2009
9:17:16PM
Warranty Tech. for Rossignol, Dynastar, Look, Roxy. (all the same stuff)
(I actually work for them and have been trained on all binding types for the company)
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Quoting skisk8ride19 from Jul 29 2009 9:17:16:
Warranty Tech. for Rossignol, Dynastar, Look, Roxy. (all the same stuff)
(I actually work for them and have been trained on all binding types for the company)
Was there a point other than to claim?
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skisk8ride19
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Jul 29 2009
9:22:24PM
Sorry, I'm kind of new to the site and didn't realize that there were additional pages. I guess it is a claim, but if anyone needs some info I hope that I can help.
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Aug 18 2009
5:18:11PM
ok...so i have a pair of skis that dont have bindings, then i have my mounted skis. The skis without bindings are drilled. Can I unscrew the bindings from the one pair and screw them onto the othr?
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It all depends on what the others are drilled for. If you don't know I would take them to a shop to have it done.
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DR.SHRED
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Aug 23 2009
4:54:00PM
what din do i need to set my binding to in 110 lbs 115 with ski gear on
if you dont do it this year ull be one year older when you do-warren miller

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Sep 8 2009
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Be aware, the rossi chart did change this year;
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Sep 10 2009
11:51:36PM
Quoting Reed. from Mar 19 2008 10:13:18:
just curious, is anyone certified with Line Bindings?  Those are bitch to properly adjust and set correctly.  I used to have a pair, they sucked and broke in 2 weeks.
Ask Jeff Schmuck about the Line bindings. I DARE you.
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Oct 18 2009
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Quoting nomensteven$ from Mar 11 2008 10:11:03:
even the din chart is extremely inaccurate for most people even if calculated by a proper tech blah blah blah.
Yep. The chart we had at my old place assumed everyone was a complete beginner and needed easy release. So the max din it would recommend was a 6, even for the heaviest, tallest guy.

So when we had tall, heavy guys, who were expert skiers coming in, we were still forced to set a 6 to cover our asses, because even though it was obviously wrong, it's what the chart says. And if you do what the chart tells you, you won't get sued.
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MEGAZORDUltimate Bling!
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Quoting nickyp$ from Oct 18 2009 11:13:45:
Yep. The chart we had at my old place assumed everyone was a complete beginner and needed easy release. So the max din it would recommend was a 6, even for the heaviest, tallest guy.So when we had tall, heavy guys, who were expert skiers coming in, we were still forced to set a 6 to cover our asses, because even though it was obviously wrong, it's what the chart says. And if you do what the chart tells you, you won't get sued.
Thats an old chart then.  The max value on the real din chart is 14 i believe. 
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Oct 23 2009
8:00:49PM
For Rossi stuff it is 11.
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How do you adjust forward pressure on griffons?

thanks

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Quoting oskar.lipa from Dec 1 2009 7:09:20:
How do you adjust forward pressure on griffons?
thanks
go to a ski shop and ask them to do this
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Quoting wiegz44 from Mar 6 2008 8:02:01:
yeah im 6'1 165 and put a type 3+ skier and my dins were set at like 8.5 or 9 and almost broke my ankle from them not releasing, so now i put a type 3 and my shop sets them to 7.5 and i dont mess with them at all and it works great
yah i used to put 3 down and i blew my acl with them set at 6 to 7 area but it was my fault over shooting a jump , landin in the flat and still rotating
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Apr 11 2010
4:59:52AM
Im certified for Salomon and its a joke, even the dumbest kid you know can get certified in like 30mins. There is no possible way anyone could sucessfully sue you on ns. Newschoolers is protected pretty damn good cause from the American legal system cause NS is a Canadian company. And for individuals getting sued its gonna take alot for someone to find enough info to sue you off of ns, so use common sense on the interweb and dont give out any personal info on the web. So to all that actually know what the are talking about on NS then go ahead and tell what you want to tell.
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Apr 25 2010
9:57:07AM
hey so i'm 6"0' and 150 lbs and the shop sets my bindings at 6 flat but when i throw 3s my skis have sometimes flalen off b4 and idk where a safe level would be to raise my din to
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May 7 2010
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If i were you I wudn't go past 7 or 6.5 but have a shop test the bindings release force, most places do it for free.
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May 8 2010
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The only way you are going to be able to properly test the release of your bindings is with a Vermont caliber. Should do it weather or not the bindings are new or used.
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Jun 15 2010
11:19:22PM
Quoting skithesprings$ from Nov 18 2008 10:07:45:
your honor, billys legs were torn entirely from his body after a member of NS suggested setting his DIN to 18.
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Sep 22 2010
12:33:59AM
So this doesn't have to do with din settings or anything but I have a pair of jj's with griffons on them and a pair of alpha's with jesters on and I want to know if I can switch the two pairs of bindings out? Would it mess with the threads or glue? I know they both have the same drill pattern so could I do that?
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Sep 22 2010
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Quoting Drew_ski.$ from Sep 22 2010 12:33:59:
So this doesn't have to do with din settings or anything but I have a pair of jj's with griffons on them and a pair of alpha's with jesters on and I want to know if I can switch the two pairs of bindings out? Would it mess with the threads or glue? I know they both have the same drill pattern so could I do that?
have a shop do it, if the holes are clean it shouldnt be a problem, toss some epoxy and steel wool shavings in there and you should be set
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Haha ok I'll just take them to a shop thanks for the help
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Memo

Memo

Feb 23rd 2012

Here's a nostalgic throwback from the guys at New Intelligent Group that's worth checking out...the 2006 teaser for their first full film, Memo.

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didn't get the memo

didn't get the memo

Nov 19th 2008

This video on youtube says we are closing in November. Guess these guys didn't get the memo in time before they uploaded...

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The Benefits Of Adjustment Tool White Balance In Lightroom 4

The Benefits Of Adjustment Tool White Balance In Lightroom 4

Mar 1st 2012

While the official version of Lightroom 4 is not out yet, I feel comfortable pointing out one change that is sure to make it in the final product; the ability to change white balance while using the Gradient Filter or Adjustment Brush.  I have been waiting for this feature for a while to help balance [...]Post originally from: Digital Photography Tips. Check out our more Photography Tips at Photography Tips for Beginners, Portrait Photography Tips and Wedding Photography Tips. The Benefits Of Adjustment Tool White Balance In Lightroom 4[IMG]http://media.newschoolers.com/uploads/images/17/00/43/33/08/433308.jpeg[/IMG]

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