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Mar 4 2008
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Ok I,ll make it short and clear: if you are not a certified shop tech or know exactly waht you are talking about, dont anser to any of the binding adjustment questions.

If you lead someone in the wrong direction, you may be responsible for screwing hisknees and maybe other parts of his body big time.

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Mar 4 2008
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haha you couldnt have said that better.

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Mar 4 2008
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Mar 5 2008
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bump

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Mar 5 2008
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I agree with you on this a lot. But even though i am not a certified ski tech, i do have a fair understanding of most bindings out there(more than most people on this site). And with that knowledge, i can sometimes discern what is wrong/offer my help.

I mean that in no way to sound cocky, but some of the questions are really stupid, and have an easy answer.

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Mar 5 2008
11:58:47AM

true, some question are really stupid and easy to anser but some answers coming form some members are very stupid too

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Mar 5 2008
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ced youve been online to much latley...

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Mar 5 2008
12:45:02PM

Quoting quebecfreestyl…$ from Mar 5 2008 11:58:47:
true, some question are really stupid and easy to anser but some answers coming form some members are very stupid too

Ya that is true. It is then really up to the person asking the question to determine what is a legit answer and what is complete bullshit

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Mar 5 2008
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Quoting 1337chronic from Mar 5 2008 12:28:12:
ced youve been online to much latley...

I got a week off and the weather is hurricane like with flat light...

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Mar 5 2008
3:44:29PM

There should be a disclaimer somewhere here limiting liability on the part of the website or its members for any advice given with bindings and DIN adjustment etc. Certified or not, there is potential to open up a can of worms one day.

If the people asking the adjustment questions understand that any advice they take is at their own risk; may be wrong; may be different under visual inspection etc - then everyone can feel a lot more comfortable -= but Ced you are right, there will come a time when someone tells another kid whose 5'5 140 to crank his FKS to 11 and he breaks his knee and comes back to NS complaining because daddy is a lawyer.

I agree - keep the responses to those that are certified/know their shit.

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Mar 5 2008
4:03:43PM

Thank you.

Some of the responses to binding questions have just been ridiculous.
But in general, there are a handful of people here in the collective who know our stuff, and it's annoying to have to argue with 130lb, 13 year olds saying they need to set the DIN to 11 cause their boot is moving around and they keep pre-releasing.

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Mar 5 2008
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Quoting Love_Wins. from Mar 5 2008 4:03:43:
and it's annoying to have to argue with 130lb, 13 year olds saying they need to set the DIN to 11 cause their boot is moving around and they keep pre-releasing.

hahahahaha thats so true. "so..I guess i should just keep turning the screw until i don't come out any more...is that right? It MUST be the spring.."

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Mar 5 2008
7:54:54PM

I normally only try and recommend them to put their din up if they obviously need it up. like someone who's 200 lbs and 6 ft tall but has a din of 4. even in those cases though, it's best to bring it to a shop and see what they say. and obviously you don't want to crank it from 4 to 8 all at once. if you're going to do anything bring it up one number or less and see how it goes.

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Mar 5 2008
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Quoting Microcosm from Mar 5 2008 7:54:54:
I normally only try and recommend them to put their din up if they obviously need it up. like someone who's 200 lbs and 6 ft tall but has a din of 4. even in those cases though, it's best to bring it to a shop and see what they say. and obviously you don't want to crank it from 4 to 8 all at once. if you're going to do anything bring it up one number or less and see how it goes.

Yeah, general rule of thumb is half a full number setting at a time, assuming the forward pressure and everything else is set correctly.

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Mar 5 2008
8:38:59PM

I'm scared of high dins.
I blew my knee at 8 or 9, and I'm 6'3 165 pounds, and a strong skier. With that being said, the shop sets me at 6 1/2, so I don't nessesarily agree with relying on a shop for DIN.

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Mar 6 2008
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true..just.. true thank for that ahaha

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Mar 6 2008
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Quoting hollygrove$ from Mar 5 2008 8:38:59:
I'm scared of high dins.
I blew my knee at 8 or 9, and I'm 6'3 165 pounds, and a strong skier. With that being said, the shop sets me at 6 1/2, so I don't nessesarily agree with relying on a shop for DIN.

yeah im 6'1 165 and put a type 3+ skier and my dins were set at like 8.5 or 9 and almost broke my ankle from them not releasing, so now i put a type 3 and my shop sets them to 7.5 and i dont mess with them at all and it works great

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Mar 6 2008
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everyone that write down their weight, heigt and their abilty level without telling their boot sole lenght just prove my point right here.

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Mar 7 2008
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bump because I,m sick of seing more inadequate answers to binding question

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Mar 7 2008
12:12:49AM

Quoting quebecfreestyl…$ from Mar 6 2008 8:08:18:
everyone that write down their weight, heigt and their abilty level without telling their boot sole lenght just prove my point right here.

most shops dont ask you to put down your bootsole for them, you give them your boots and they look at them and find the bootsole themselves

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Mar 7 2008
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Quoting wiegz44 from Mar 7 2008 12:12:49:
most shops dont ask you to put down your bootsole for them, you give them your boots and they look at them and find the bootsole themselves

That's not the point. The point is that you can't properly answer binding adjustment questions on a website without knowing a person's sole length.

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Mar 7 2008
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Quoting wiegz44 from Mar 7 2008 12:12:49:
most shops dont ask you to put down your bootsole for them, you give them your boots and they look at them and find the bootsole themselves

yea because they know theyr stuff and know it's important and they can figure it ut by themselve and need to test with the boot anyway.

If you tell people you din setting in order fothem to compare ther din and figure out wic din they should ride at without stating you boot sole lenght, then you are giving incorect information to someone that you shol as well keep for yourself.

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Mar 7 2008
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Quoting quebecfreestyl…$ from Mar 7 2008 12:17:47:
yea because they know theyr stuff and know it's important and they can figure it ut by themselve and need to test with the boot anyway.

If you tell people you din setting in order fothem to compare ther din and figure out wic din they should ride at without stating you boot sole lenght, then you are giving incorect information to someone that you shol as well keep for yourself.

i completely agree, i was just showing him that his are probably off because i am the same size as him and that he should go to a shop to get them retested

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Mar 7 2008
12:03:01PM

bump for good topic, this should be a sticky,

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Mar 7 2008
12:04:01PM

I am a certified tech

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Mar 7 2008
12:05:45PM

Quoting MEGAZORD

from Mar 7 2008 12:04:01:
I am a certified tech

for what binding companies???

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Mar 7 2008
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All of them.

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Mar 7 2008
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All except vist. But i do have a pair of deadbolts and know how they work/ are adjusted.

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Mar 7 2008
12:17:26PM

^ that is good to know, cause saying you a cert binding tec is worthless if your not certified for the company your talking about.

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Mar 9 2008
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Quoting mntelebumper from Mar 7 2008 12:17:26:
^ that is good to know, cause saying you a cert binding tec is worthless if your not certified for the company your talking about.

Yea but there is a diffenrence between thiking you know your bindings andpeople who actually understand how they works.

the first shouldnt talk but the second are ok i guess.

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Mar 11 2008
10:11:03PM

even the din chart is extremely inaccurate for most people even if calculated by a proper tech blah blah blah... setting a din isn't really advice you can give, it is like boot advice, should be left to offline affairs.

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Mar 12 2008
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im only certified for look and rossi but i know a ton about every company but vist...cuz fuck vist haha

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Mar 12 2008
6:25:34PM

ditto

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Mar 15 2008
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then they could have the first ns court trail!

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Mar 17 2008
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ya i am always sketch about telling my friends and such what how to set their bindings, i am able to properly set itl and i do it to my skis but i would feel terrible if something somehow went wrong with them. I don't have a problem telling them my preference for my weight/size/boot length but other them that i try and avoid it.

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Mar 19 2008
10:13:18PM

just curious, is anyone certified with Line Bindings? Those are bitch to properly adjust and set correctly. I used to have a pair, they sucked and broke in 2 weeks.

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Mar 23 2008
10:56:41PM

those line bindings were tanks and way to hard to adjust, I see them at my shop from time to time and I hate them more every time.

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Mar 24 2008
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Quoting SEABURN from Mar 23 2008 10:56:41:
those line bindings were tanks and way to hard to adjust, I see them at my shop from time to time and I hate them more every time.

They are unidemnified... and therefore, cannot be worked on any more...

So send your reactors back to line for dollaz!

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Mar 25 2008
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Haha, we got an exploded line binding come into our shop. The guy let us keep it and we rebuilt it... but so far nobody has the balls to actually try it. To hell with that binding.

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Apr 1 2008
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i was wondering if i set up buyers bindings should i have a qualification's???

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Apr 10 2008
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im also a tech at a shop people dont mess wit ur bindings if you dont know what the hell is going on?!

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Apr 16 2008
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bit of agro on here

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May 3 2008
9:42:34PM

I agree that unless you know what your talking about you shouldn't answer questions about bindings(everything) on here. However in my experiences shops don't really have that much of an idea anyway, they just work it out from a chart. So basically if you can read a chart you can do it yourself, as long as they are setup properly at the start. Shops will always set the bindings lower than what might be actually right for you because the American legal system is so fucked up and all you guys sue each other for things that are completely your own fault and the shops dont want to get sued.
On that point America is the only place where someone could actually sue someone from this site or the owner of the site for giving them advice which made them get injured. So there really should be a disclaimer when you join up that you have to accept to become a member.

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May 4 2008
10:52:22AM

The difference with a shop setting and yourself is that we have the ability to check the release by huber or other release checking machine.

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May 4 2008
11:05:15PM

Quoting MEGAZORD

from May 4 2008 10:52:22:
The difference with a shop setting and yourself is that we have the ability to check the release by huber or other release checking machine.

Yeah but thats completely irrelevant!

We're talking about people advising other people on what their din should be.
Not on whether their binding is actually working properly.
If you can read a chart you can set/change your din, because thats all a shop does.
The fact that they then check that release doesn't matter.
If someone posts a question asking what their din should be and gives enough info about themselves to actually work it out, then you dont have to be that qualified to give advice on what their din should be. There are even online calculators that can work it out.

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May 5 2008
9:41:08AM

Who is to say that the binding is actually releasing at the desired value. Thats the point of the huber. Especially when buying used bindings on here, how do you know its actually releasing at where its supposed to?

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May 8 2008
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Quoting MEGAZORD

from May 5 2008 9:41:08:
Who is to say that the binding is actually releasing at the desired value. Thats the point of the huber. Especially when buying used bindings on here, how do you know its actually releasing at where its supposed to?

Yeah but thats not the point of the thread.
I'm not arguing against getting your bindings checked especially if you buy them used.
But the whole point of this thread is telling people not to answer questions where people ask what their din should be unless you are qualified. Which is completely wrong when a shop works out the din from a chart. Anyone can do that with enough info!

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May 9 2008
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I really like taking advice from kids who ski 5 times a year and think they know what they are talking about though

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